Raw Eggs

Daniel · 03-07-2007, 06:25 PM

If you can't eat a raw egg, you are simply not a man. That being said, I haven't tried it since a few years ago when I gagged into the sink like a little bitch.

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

i had a 103 fever and didnt sleep for a day and a half, losing about 8 or 9lbs (prolly mostly water) during that time...

Maybe Lutter should have had a couple raw eggs a week before his fights.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-07-2007, 09:05 PM

lol, nah wasnt from eggs, but from bad meat... i was just mentioning that.. but yea, if he needs for his next fight to undercook him some chicken im down for that

MTKrav911 · 03-10-2007, 02:04 AM

Sitinspin and his burpees.

HAHAHAH..

I love it!

mepersoner · 03-12-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

Mepersoner is back again with info that's contrary to the rest of the world. I'm not going to argue about raw eggs getting you sick, because they very well might. But in fact, we absorb more of the egg when it's raw than when it's cooked, thus benefiting from more of the protein.

Raw egg whites cannot be digested. I'm pretty sure whatever I was "contrary to the rest of the world" about before was right. What was it about, soy? Either way, I was probably right, and am right here:

What's the Most Anabolic Bodybuilding Substance?

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RAW verses COOKED

One of the problems of consuming egg whites in the large quantities essential to a bodybuilder's diet is the need to separate the whites from the yolks, cook them, eat them, and then having to clean up the mess. This must be repeated over and over, day after day, requiring a lot of work and time. Because of this, many people have turned to eating or drinking their eggs raw. This still doesn't eradicate the problem of separating the whites from the yolk and even more of a concern is the possible exposure to salmonella bacteria poisoning and avidin/biotin toxicity.

In the United States the risk of salmonella is actually quite low - but the risk does exist. Salmonella causes headache, diarrhea, deep abdominal cramping, vomiting, fever, chills, and dehydration. In extremely severe cases it may even be life threatening.
If nothing else other than a few days of illness, it is a very unpleasant experience and will do much to throw you off of your training and result in a loss of muscle tissue. Of course none of this is a very good trade for a little bit of convenience.

Not only does the salmonella risk exist but there is another factor to consider - avidin. Avidin is a glycoprotein (enzyme) present in raw eggs that reacts unfavorably with biotin within the human body. This interaction results in a toxic effect similar to a gross vitamin B deficiency and largely prohibits the body from actually digesting the "raw" egg white. Eating a raw egg is a waste of time, effort, and protein - not to mention it's also dangerous due to the potential for exposure to salmonella and the avidin/biotin vitamin B like deficiency.

So we're back to square one... separating, cooking, and cleaning. However, there's one more point I'd l

From a pet website:
Trends in Home-Prepared Diets for Pets

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Raw eggs are a health concern because egg whites contain avidin, a protein that interferes with the body's absorption of biotin, a B-complex vitamin. Because cooking neutralizes avidin, many pet nutritionists recommend cooking eggs before serving them to animals. However, foxes, coyotes, and wild dogs and cats are fond of raiding bird nests or chicken coops and eating raw eggs, shell and all. In the study that showed avidin's adverse effect on biotin, laboratory rats were fed excessive quantities of raw egg white.5 A growing number of veterinarians and other experts recommend feeding raw egg, although opinions differ as to whether the whites should be fed. Pets with strong digestive systems can eat the whole egg and its shell; others (except for those with a serious sensitivity or allergy) can eat the yolk by itself. As Dr. Pottenger proved in his poultry feeding experiments,2 eggs from naturally raised, free-range chickens are more nutritious (and, no doubt, less allergenic) than from chickens confined to indoor coops.

All Raw Diet Hard to Digest | Daily Policy Digest | NCPA

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Cooking destroys avidin in raw egg whites -- otherwise, avidin would bind biotin and some iron present in the egg yolk, and make these nutrients unavailable.

Bodybuilding.com - Dr. David Ryan - Protein, The Most Up To Date Information.

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Eating raw eggs (or raw egg whites) will only result in about 50% absorption of the available protein. That means that if you eat enough raw eggs to give you 40 grams of protein, your body will only absorb 20 grams.

Eating just raw egg whites results in the same (or worse). Egg whites have a huge amount of a substance called "avidin," which loves biotin. As a matter of fact, once the avidin-biotin forms a bond, the body can't break it apart. So you will develop a partial or full Biotin Deficiency Syndrome. Cooking your eggs (or egg whites) will quickly denature the protein avidin and will allow you to absorb 98% of the protein. In short, always cook your eggs.

Biotin: Encyclopedia of Nursing & Allied Health

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Certain individuals are at risk for biotin deficiency, including infants fed biotin-deficient formula or with inherited deficiency disorders, patients who are fed intravenously, and anyone who habitually eats a lot of raw egg whites, because they contain a protein called avidin, which prevents the absorption of biotin.

etc. etc. etc.

sitnspin · 03-12-2007, 01:12 PM

This is good info. Thanks. I've been operating with info from multiple sources (including fighters and trainers I've spoken to, as opposed to internet sources) who've said the opposite -- that you'll absorb more of the protein from egg whites by drinking them. But having read the stuff you've linked us to, I think you're right.

The soy thing, you were completely wrong about. You were sounding the alarm about the link between estrogen and soy, and that's long since been dispelled all over the place as a misunderstanding. Soy contains phytoestrogens (plant estrogen) and it has no negative effects on the body whatsoever in any way related to, say, taking estrogen supplements. The body is unable to convert phytoestrogens into actual estrogen. Bodybuilders just read the word "phytoestrogen" and panicked, and the rumors quickly snowballed.

But as for this egg thing, you win and I've got to get in touch with at least one trainer who's regularly telling his team to drink liquid egg whites multiple times a day as their main protein source.

sitnspin · 03-12-2007, 02:55 PM

Okay, I've now heard back from the other side, and I see that HE was right all along, as was Mepersoner. It's a question of the specific egg product.

What was recommended to me was drinking those cartons of liquid egg whites. You're drinking them raw in the sense that you're not cooking them, but they've already been heat pasteurized. In the process, the avidin is neutralized, so the chemical reaction that blocks the absorption of protein and biotin is also eliminated.

So, just to clarify: Raw, unpasteurized eggs (including just the whites) = not a good source of protein, and they can lead to a B-complex deficiency.

Pasteurized liquid egg whites are an excellent source of protein, and highly digestible.

agpoe · 03-12-2007, 05:42 PM

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If the documentary had only 2 plants I would hardly call the claims valid. If the researcher had…let’s say 50 of each and the regular water had a better plant growth average, then the hypothesis can be supported, but not just 2 plants...give me a break. Also, did the experiment let the microwave water cool off or did they just give boiling water to the plant?

Well i dont know the exact specifics of the research im affraid...

Of course everyone their own thing... i just think (and im quite sure about it) that a microwave does ****ty things with ur food... thats why i believe its better to take a bit more time (with an oven or regular cooking) to prepare ur fresh food into a healthy meal instead of using a microwave...

Grtz!

sitnspin · 03-12-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by agpoe

Well i dont know the exact specifics of the research im affraid...

Of course everyone their own thing... i just think (and im quite sure about it) that a microwave does ****ty things with ur food... thats why i believe its better to take a bit more time (with an oven or regular cooking) to prepare ur fresh food into a healthy meal instead of using a microwave...

Grtz!

What do you have to say on the subject of contact with direct heat (as in boiling, frying, grilling, etc) killing nutrients in food?

mepersoner · 03-12-2007, 07:12 PM

I think I'll just keep my distance with soy just in case for now.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-12-2007, 07:38 PM

everything you guys are saying is correct... however the differences are really VERY minute for the average person... top level pro athlete maybe... your everyday person working hard to make improvements not so much

agpoe · 03-14-2007, 06:51 PM

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What do you have to say on the subject of contact with direct heat (as in boiling, frying, grilling, etc) killing nutrients in food?

Well ur right when u say that preparing ur food with direct heat will take out some of the nutrients... but as far as i know it doesnt drasticly change the structure of the atoms/molecules and as far as i know that is what a microwave does with food...

btw... if ur interested in the subject just type in "microwave danger" or any kind of that and u'll find plenty of articles describing researches of several universities claiming that microwaves have a severe bad influence on food...

Harms · 03-15-2007, 09:35 PM

I buy the carton egg whites cause I don't really want to be bothered with seperating the yolk and it just seems like a waste of egg throwing the yolk away. I do microwave my egg in the morning, but after my workout when I drink a gatorade, I just drop the whites in with the last couple of swallows of gatorade at the bottom of the bottle and drink it. Kinda tastes like a smoothie.