At this point, the information is out there. We have made an announcement and have posted almost all of the info we have on this matter. You, the members of FightForum, can read this and come to your own conclusions. We have made every effort to gather as much info as we could, to decide a fair and even course of action regarding this issue, and to be as transparent as possible. You all can make up your own minds to either believe that we acted in the best interest of the forums or you can believe that we just made this all up and banned people because we didnt like them.
That is all entirely up to you now. Either way, the rules have been stated and they will be enforced. Nothing like this is going to nor will be allowed to happen again on this forum.
With that said, I hope this is all behind us now and we, the forum as a whole, can move forward and start enjoying actual debates and discussions on the sports we all love.
With that said, I hope this is all behind us now and we, the forum as a whole, can move forward and start enjoying actual debates and discussions on the sports we all love.
agreed. now that there are some actual events to watch and discuss, hopefully this will help get us all back on track.
all work and no ufc make dukey something something...
I've remained publicly silent on this issue to allow the admins/mods their due process to formally address this situation. Like Duke, however, I too want it known that Team **** was still largely misunderstood. While only IheartLNP would be able to provide an explanation as to his reasons for setting up a secondary FF account, I can say that the majority of Team **** wasn't about malicious intent. If anything, it was a good joke gone tragically awry.
Instead of re-writing my perspective of Team **** and the actions that recently took place, I decided to post a message that I sent to Aika last week regarding the entire situation.
Quote:
Hi Aika,
I’ve been struggling the past 24 hours about the appropriateness of this letter, as well as the proper forum in which to address it. I was tempted to write an open letter in the forum, but I respect you and consider you a friend, so I thought this would be a good first step. I truly love Fight Forum and I wouldn’t want my comments to be misconstrued or lead to any further dissention.
I am a member of Team ****. It wasn’t because I had an “issue” with any particular member or an agenda of any kind. I did it for one reason – I thought it was funny. So did 99% of the other members. And it was funny. It was also a lot more innocent that most people thought.
I thought it would be obvious to everyone involved that Team **** was founded on a joke. Plus it had a handbook. Can you take anything seriously that creates its own handbook literally overnight? A handbook that included the rule “Do not wear boots on Fridays as Friday is the Day of The ****.” Where members asked things like “When do we get to carry guns?” or declaring that after Team Coco’s world domination we should focus on manufacturing fine bathmats.
Am I marginalizing the intent of Team ****? I don’t believe so. It’s true that an amusing thread about the “enemies of Team Coco” started out as an outlandish farce and turned into a place where people vented their frustrations about other FF members they just argued with or, more severely, members they outright disliked. People vent in different ways. Some of it was appropriate, some perhaps not. But I think that the value of these members contributions in Fight Forum outweigh any spontaneous emotional venting.
The membership of Team **** is like a who’s who of Fight Forum – not just people who post a lot, but some who are some of the most insightful and intelligent members we have. And while some may consider Team **** a “dangerous” clique, it really doesn’t change the behavior of personality of the individual members. The bottom line is that most of us would support non-Team **** members in threads that Team **** members didn’t share our opinion. I know that I side with many non-members like Opsy or SitnSpin much more than some Team **** members that I barely know. And I can say for certain that it is the same with each member – you have some Team **** members that you love and some that you don’t know, but respect anyway… just like Fight Forum itself. Cliques like these begin from shared interests or perspective, but as we’ve seen within Fight Forum itself, that only gets us so far.
When it comes down to it, everything is a clique. As I insinuated in the last paragraph, Fight Forum is a clique in and of itself. We all support our mma and our forum. Some of us have branched off and represented Fight Forum in mma fantasy leagues against other forums. Mods and admins are a clique as well. One could argue that it is a necessary clique for the health of a well-run forum, but mods definitely support and stand up for one another. Hell, even MTKrav would probably admit that the police are a clique too.
When it’s all said and done, I feel like this is a situation was grossly misunderstood on one end and perhaps taken too far on the other. In short, I don’t feel that Nimmy or namegoeshere should have been banned based upon the knowledge that I have. They’re no more abrasive than other people in the forum and the idea of a Team **** brute squad shouldn’t incorrectly have people believe otherwise. And I believe I can say this without bias as I don’t believe I’ve ever pm’d or chatted with either one of them -- only forum interaction.
With Corey and Duke, I do truly enjoy their presence and knowledge at FF. I even enjoy the fact that Duke can be a perpetual pain in the ass (but that started long before team ****). I’m hoping that my intervention can help stave off any further drastic action with them or others.
As for IheartLNP, he shared with me the reasons why he was banned (i.e. creating the second FF account to spread his frustration). Admittedly, his situation is a lot more difficult because from my perspective he could have handled it a lot better. He’s a good guy who made an error in judgement and hopefully things could be reconciled. Are we past the point of apologies?
I don’t know what else to say. I don’t regret being in Team ****. It was entertaining. I can also admit with a clear conscience that I never personally attacked any FF member and that I tried to interact with every member in the same balanced, respectful manner as I did before I was ever a member.
I truly hope that this can get worked out. Just two days ago, FF seemed the same as it’s always been and I’d hate to lose part of our dysfunctional family.
Best,
Heatwaves
I think everyone is ready to put this behind us and start talking about mma again, but I fear that many FF members will unilaterally dismiss Team **** as something malicious when it is something that they really know very little about.
Over the past few days I repeatedly saw posts from you, GSPalltheway, categorizing Team **** in an entirely negative light. You've brought up that Team **** developed a campaign of organized harrassment in order to get you to leave the site. However, in your "Should I Leave Fight Forum?" thread, my posts supported you, asked you not to leave and told you to try to not take these things too seriously. And for the record, seven (7!) members of Team **** asked you to stay within that thread, including the now-banned namegoeshere. Does that seem like an organized front to get rid of you, if you were an alleged prime target? I'm not bringing this up now as an attempt to attack or discredit you, merely to ask you to try and not stereotype a group based upon a "lynch mob" mentality that has since followed during the past week.
I've remained publicly silent on this issue to allow the admins/mods their due process to formally address this situation. Like Duke, however, I too want it known that Team **** was still largely misunderstood. While only IheartLNP would be able to provide an explanation as to his reasons for setting up a secondary FF account, I can say that the majority of Team **** wasn't about malicious intent. If anything, it was a good joke gone tragically awry.
Instead of re-writing my perspective of Team **** and the actions that recently took place, I decided to post a message that I sent to Aika last week regarding the entire situation.
I think everyone is ready to put this behind us and start talking about mma again, but I fear that many FF members will unilaterally dismiss Team **** as something malicious when it is something that they really know very little about.
Over the past few days I repeatedly saw posts from you, GSPalltheway, categorizing Team **** in an entirely negative light. You've brought up that Team **** developed a campaign of organized harrassment in order to get you to leave the site. However, in your "Should I Leave Fight Forum?" thread, my posts supported you, asked you not to leave and told you to try to not take these things too seriously. And for the record, seven (7!) members of Team **** asked you to stay within that thread, including the now-banned namegoeshere. Does that seem like an organized front to get rid of you, if you were an alleged prime target? I'm not bringing this up now as an attempt to attack or discredit you, merely to ask you to try and not stereotype a group based upon a "lynch mob" mentality that has since followed during the past week.
There it is. I've said my peace.
Well spoken Heatwaves. I know that the majority of ** probably didnt have anything negative in mind when joining. However, there was a small minority that did and thats the people and the actions that we had serious trouble with.
I agree with you on one point, everyone should stop painting the entire ** group with the same large brush. There were several people that were "members" but had absolutely nothing to do with some of the moare agregious behavior.
Id like this to be put in the past and I hope that everyone will move forward from here.
Ive been laballed some bad words by aika in other threads which was totally uncalled for. There was never a hitlist of members, bjpenndotcom was never targeted or bullied which is comething i can gaurantee. A few members did have a joke with gooner in a harmless way in the picture thread, but im pretty sure gooner liked the banter with certain guys who are now banned. There was a judgement call taken to how handle what was felt a lack of decent moderating by aika, yes prob wasnt the best way about it, but it was made hoping for as little uproar as possible, believe it or not i think all memebers so aika as a friend, i know i did.
EDIT:Just seen that my sig as been edited to remove the link.
2) is it not possible that the reason that ** assembled was to combat the bitterness and bickering that goes on around here.
3) is it also not possible that certain members of FF banded together as they felt that the mods and admin were not getting teh job done and decided to assemble in hopes of salvaging what they could of FF?
... ultimately, we all got along, we all cared about this place to do something when we thought no one else would/was/were going to.
the worst part is that we are being thought of as a sinister group with teh ai of taking over FF, but this simply is not teh case. we have posted links to our site, and it is deleted. members are defending ourselves and inviting people to go to our message board and see for themselves what the fuss was about, but those are getting erased and teh links are deleted. we are not some under cover or behind the scenes group of people who were trying to destroy FF.
we ****in loved this place enough to do what we could to protect its integrity when no one else would and to set a standard that we thought was sufficient and appropriate. we stood in opposition to differential treatment, arbitrary decisions, and to many things that we thought were hurting FF. if that makes us wrong, then we were wrong.
but remember, next time any of you type the words "FF is the premeire forum for mma on teh internets", ask yourself if you would defend it as we did, if you are willing to get banned for standing up for it, and if you really care enough to be called to action when no one else, including those that are supposed to, did. were we wrong? resoundingly no. why not? this place was worth fighting for, and teh patterns we hoped to change and break have proven since all this to in fact exist, and has reared its ugly head in teh arbitrary bannings, the silencing of the members and the inability of many people to explicitly state why or how what we did was wrong.
what we did we did out of love, respect, and concern for OUR fightforum.
war ** and all those who support us and those of you who want this to remain teh ultimate MMA forum on the face of teh internet. for the many kind words myself and ** have gotten, thank you. for those who judge us before knowing us, ignorance really is bliss and life is certainly easier when someone else is directing it for you.
"kay, **** the friendly banter. when i joined this team, i took the offer from our good friends brother gits and nimmy to actually mean something other than talking **** on ** forum. that said, what are we going to do at FF?
we could all leave and go to mma forum as grits mentioned elswhere, we could all cause problems at FF and just **** off, or we could leave a member of ** twisting in the wind left to his own devices and fate. this of course is not a real possibility, and if you considered it, perhaps you should reconsider why you accepted the invitation to join **.
anyhow, what concerted action are going to partake in? in many ways i am getting tired of FF, and imo, the best of FF is now here anyway. there will be a few that i miss should we opt to leave, but there are many things that wont be missed.
so, brothers ****, what say you. any suggestions are welcome.
WAR TEAM ****ING ****!! AND THOSE WHO ARE A PART OF IT, BEFORE ALL ELSE!!"
Flip Floppin more than a political person with his arse under the fire eh?
If you guys love Team F'N **** so much, then go have your love fest over at their forums. ** screwed up, got caught, and got banned. Good riddance. Anybody wanting to follow them, feel free to leave. You act like you were forced to be here. You will not be missed.
haha charming sub, im not welcome in your eyes am i?
Is that what you seek?
I said that if you have a problem, feel persecuted, and whatever else by the evil admins of FF, then why are you guys still here? Nobody here cares about Team **** now that they showed their colors. Some of you were easily duped by them. I don't care.
My sympathy for Team **** and all things related to it has dropped to zero.
no thats not atall what i want, but just as some people see other sides of story dont have a go at them, im fine with fact that some will see more into each side of story.
I said that if you have a problem, feel persecuted, and whatever else by the evil admins of FF, then why are you guys still here? Nobody here cares about Team **** now that they showed their colors. Some of you were easily duped by them. I don't care.
My sympathy for Team **** and all things related to it has dropped to zero.
Tell it like it is sub!
Honestly though, the admins are the main reason that FF is the best MMA forum. They weed out the bad members and support the good ones, without them we would be no better than ****dog.
dude thats what all this was about, thats why i signed up here in the 1st place, just felt that it was turning slightly slanderous in some threads, that was the only part of the joke team ****, thats all it was, not a cult, that was atall serious in this problem, other things like tryin to get rid of posters is bs, i can promise you that.
If you guys love Team F'N **** so much, then go have your love fest over at their forums. ** screwed up, got caught, and got banned. Good riddance. Anybody wanting to follow them, feel free to leave. You act like you were forced to be here. You will not be missed.
You might want to actually consider reading some of my posts before you make such "across the board" statements.
74 you mean haha jk i wasnt calling you out, just stating that you wasnt being attacked by a group like you stated, if you for example had a problem with nimmy it was completely the fact he didnt like you. never seen any plan to go attack you in the other forum i gaurantee you.
You might want to actually consider reading some of my posts before you make such "across the board" statements.
I'm so over the crap you guys dish out that I am not going to read your posts. If you love Team **** so much, then go have your love fest at their forums. Why continue to spew useless banter here when nobody is buying what you're selling. You can go on and on, but you're not convincing anybody. Your boys F'd up. They're gone. Get over it.
sub you keep saying nobody cares, well actually allot of posters on here do care, so stop thinking what a few of you vocal posters on here count as everyone.
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