Modern Army Combatives Program - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

takeAnap · 05-12-2007, 12:03 PM

I've been in the Army for eight years now, and am currently active in the MACP, and was curious if there were any other soldiers on this forum who was also in it...

MACP is basically BJJ, Boxing, and Muay Thai combined as the new hand to hand combat training for the United States Army. It's a great program for not only staying in shape but for skills need on the battle field when needed.

Since I've been in the program I've also started training at a BJJ academy... MMA has pretty much became my life! I've fought in two tournaments so far and am preparing to fight a semi-pro fight in July!

sitnspin · 05-12-2007, 04:52 PM

Have you had Ken Shamrock in as an instructor? I know he's spent a lot of time training U.S. troops in hand-to-hand.

Either way, cool -- it's always nice to get new members who are competing. I know we've got former military personnel, and I imagine there are at least a few who are still signed up.

Jras0001 · 05-12-2007, 11:11 PM

Good to have you at the forums. I was in the army for six years and got out in late '03. I take it your in the 101st seeing how youre in Kentucky. Im sure we could exchange some cool stories...haha. Look forward to reading your posts.

MTKrav911 · 05-13-2007, 10:56 AM

I have instructor cert in Israeli Krav Maga which is a self defense system that runs basically like MMA. The basics of Boxing, BJJ, sub wrestling, and kickboxing. it was developed by the Israeli military and I've trained alongside some US military personnell who either learned KM from the Israeli's and incorporate it here etc.

Welcome to the boards. It'll be interesting to see your thoughts/opinions here. We have great inupt on fight training, techniques etc.

takeAnap · 05-13-2007, 06:56 PM

Thanks guys! So far I've only competed in standard BJJ comepititions, but am planning to fight MMA in a couple of months.

Peniel · 05-15-2007, 10:01 AM

Spec. War Group II Naval Amphib. Base Little Creek VA. This has been 20 years ago. We combined a cocktail of various styles and experimented until we found what worked well and was practical and incorporated this into our training. This was an attempt to copy the Israelis. The Naval SWG hand to hand combat training is pretty unique in its style and very practical when it comes to mastering, learning curve and duplication of training techniques between instructors.

Switch · 05-16-2007, 11:52 AM

I probably shouldn't post this but the new system the Army has (I have 13 years in, 12 active 1 on reserve) sucks. It is good for one on one competition in a sporting enviroment. Been to Iraq? When was the last time as a soldier you didn't travel in a squad? Don't you think the enemy does similiar things? The focus the Army has on take downs and ground work is stupid. How can you be focusing on putting someone in a submission while his fellows are going to be stopping a mudhole in you? In combat my aim is to take you out with the least amount of effort on my part not for you to submitt to me verbally or physically. If you ever find yourself in the unfortunate position of going hand to hand with someone on todays battlefield forget all that you have learned in the that system. Hit them in the eye directly (finger jab is good for this)! HARD! Hit them in the throat! HARD! Strike them in the groan! HARD! and if the bastard is still standing find the biggest object and hit them with that.

Peniel · 05-16-2007, 01:11 PM

I don't like to dis other services but I do agree. With what I've seen it is pretty ridiculous. I think it is just a confidence builder. The same goes for the Marine core. It is sad in a way.
I have been exposed to scenarios where good hand to hand skills were quit valuable.

takeAnap · 05-16-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

I probably shouldn't post this but the new system the Army has (I have 13 years in, 12 active 1 on reserve) sucks. It is good for one on one competition in a sporting enviroment. Been to Iraq? When was the last time as a soldier you didn't travel in a squad? Don't you think the enemy does similiar things? The focus the Army has on take downs and ground work is stupid. How can you be focusing on putting someone in a submission while his fellows are going to be stopping a mudhole in you? In combat my aim is to take you out with the least amount of effort on my part not for you to submitt to me verbally or physically. If you ever find yourself in the unfortunate position of going hand to hand with someone on todays battlefield forget all that you have learned in the that system. Hit them in the eye directly (finger jab is good for this)! HARD! Hit them in the throat! HARD! Strike them in the groan! HARD! and if the bastard is still standing find the biggest object and hit them with that.

Well, thats your opinion... and I respect that! Yes, I have been to Iraq twice. I'm 11b so ofcourse I've been in the fight both times! Will you ever use combatives in Iraq? Probally not, but it has happened over there... I don't know if your level 1 certified or not, but the main focus isn't on submissions. Yes you learn them, but dominant body positions is the main focus.

As far as if you find yourself in this position... why on earth would you poke them in the eye when you can punch??? See, if you keep up w/ the program and get to level 3, you learn stand up and all that good stuff. Plus, I just like MMA, and it's a great way to train for it... I'll always prefer pulling the trigger in Iraq, but this is an Fight Forum so I was just asking if there was anyone else in the combatives program...

takeAnap · 05-16-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Peniel

I don't like to dis other services but I do agree. With what I've seen it is pretty ridiculous. I think it is just a confidence builder. The same goes for the Marine core. It is sad in a way.
I have been exposed to scenarios where good hand to hand skills were quit valuable.

The program has probally changed a bit since you last seen it... We do learn stand up now. Our program is based on level's, starting off w/ basic ground stuff because it's much easier to learn... Once you get up to level three, you learn boxing, kicking, take downs, sprawl, stick fighting, and fighting w/ weapons.

The old hand to hand **** for the Army was rediculous I'll admitt, but this new program works!

takeAnap · 05-16-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

I probably shouldn't post this but the new system the Army has (I have 13 years in, 12 active 1 on reserve) sucks. It is good for one on one competition in a sporting enviroment. Been to Iraq? When was the last time as a soldier you didn't travel in a squad? Don't you think the enemy does similiar things? The focus the Army has on take downs and ground work is stupid. How can you be focusing on putting someone in a submission while his fellows are going to be stopping a mudhole in you? In combat my aim is to take you out with the least amount of effort on my part not for you to submitt to me verbally or physically. If you ever find yourself in the unfortunate position of going hand to hand with someone on todays battlefield forget all that you have learned in the that system. Hit them in the eye directly (finger jab is good for this)! HARD! Hit them in the throat! HARD! Strike them in the groan! HARD! and if the bastard is still standing find the biggest object and hit them with that.

OH... by the way, common sense tells me if I was to ever put an emeny in a submission, I'm not really waiting for him to tap or say "uncle", I'm going to choke him out, or break his arm... We tap in training because it's "training"....

Where you stationed at bro? It's always nice to see fellow service members. I'm a DS at Fort Knox, just made the (7)List!

Jras0001 · 05-16-2007, 11:58 PM

takeAnap...super congrads on the getting 7 man. The bump from 6 to 7 is always the tough one and it comes with a descent pay raise as well. Good to have you on the forums and youre right, its always nice to see fellow soldiers and be able to talk to them. I got out of the Army in late '03 but I spent six years in and know where youre coming from.

takeAnap · 05-17-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

takeAnap...super congrads on the getting 7 man. The bump from 6 to 7 is always the tough one and it comes with a descent pay raise as well. Good to have you on the forums and youre right, its always nice to see fellow soldiers and be able to talk to them. I got out of the Army in late '03 but I spent six years in and know where youre coming from.

Thanks bro, I was suprised to make it on my first look! I haven't been pinned yet, but should be in the next few months.

Switch · 05-21-2007, 09:59 AM

Well right at the moment I am in a reserve unit stationed out of Evanston Wy. But I am trying to get tranfered to one in Ft Collins. As far as active time Ft. Hood-Ft Stewart-Ft Hood.
I am not certified but I have several friends who are that I train with (or use to they all graduated from college last semester and my whole training team dissapaited). So I know about the levels and everything. I just disagree with alot of the stuff they are taught.
One example I will give you since you mentioned body position. You are in a full mount. The next move is you pop up (rise to your feet with a foot on both sides of the body) then slide off to your dominate side while pulling your opponents arm to full extension. Ending in an arm bar.
Why I don't like this: When you get to your feet it is instictive for your opponent to raise both knees up between your legs. From here they can a) rack the hell out of you b)sweep you c) if they simply stand up they can easily place you in to a full mount as you go to your back.
As far as Marines they teach some dumb stuff to but in general what I saw while I got to train with them was more battle focused rather then containment. I also like that they put the system into their regular pt program. If you ever see a marine without their uniform blouse on note the color of there belt. It tells you where they are at in their combat system. I don't know all the colors but it begins at white and ends at red, then their instructors get black slashes at the end of there belt to denote their rank.

takeAnap · 05-22-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

Well right at the moment I am in a reserve unit stationed out of Evanston Wy. But I am trying to get tranfered to one in Ft Collins. As far as active time Ft. Hood-Ft Stewart-Ft Hood.
I am not certified but I have several friends who are that I train with (or use to they all graduated from college last semester and my whole training team dissapaited). So I know about the levels and everything. I just disagree with alot of the stuff they are taught.
One example I will give you since you mentioned body position. You are in a full mount. The next move is you pop up (rise to your feet with a foot on both sides of the body) then slide off to your dominate side while pulling your opponents arm to full extension. Ending in an arm bar.
Why I don't like this: When you get to your feet it is instictive for your opponent to raise both knees up between your legs. From here they can a) rack the hell out of you b)sweep you c) if they simply stand up they can easily place you in to a full mount as you go to your back.
As far as Marines they teach some dumb stuff to but in general what I saw while I got to train with them was more battle focused rather then containment. I also like that they put the system into their regular pt program. If you ever see a marine without their uniform blouse on note the color of there belt. It tells you where they are at in their combat system. I don't know all the colors but it begins at white and ends at red, then their instructors get black slashes at the end of there belt to denote their rank.

Cool bro, I was stationed at Hood before too...

I kind of wish you could actually see some of our training. because I think you'd change your mind a bit... I personally would pound the crap out of someone if I mounted them, but your talking of the straight arm bar from the mount. It's straight from BJJ, but you don't stand up. Whoever told you that was taught wrong, you keep a very low base lifting yourself up w/ your hands on your opponents sternum and turning around to the armbar. Ofcourse you would only do this if you were pounding him and he reached up to try and grab your collar or whatever else. I do however agree that is almost irrelevant in a combat situation!

TaddT189 · 05-27-2007, 03:49 PM

I'm a fighter too, I joined a new school about 5 or 6 months ago and they had a heavy set guy (about 5'10'', 265 lbs. solid but not cut up) that used to be in the army. I thought to myself, "there was no way that he could stand up with me", even though my base discipline was wrestling, b/c I felt as if I was stronger and faster. I was WRONG. I got schooled when we were working with the hands and feet. I later learned that he had been going to krav maga classes for 4 yrs.

Humbling experience. I still can crush him on the ground but someone that is 260+ and compact is pretty hard to get to the ground.