I got my ass kicked in a sparring match - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

Dr.FuzzyBallz · 05-23-2007, 11:02 PM

Me and 2 other other of my friends went over to my friend Mike's house (mike has been taking kickboxing since the age of 4 or 6 and he is 15 now turning 16) and we decided to have a little kickboxing tournament sicne my friend Mike ahd sparrign glove sand helmets.

Now since my other 2 friends John and Mark wanted to fight each other i ended up with Mike now at the time i had totaly forgtten the fact he took kickbxoing he punched really hard and the fact he could take so much more punishment than i could and also the fact i get tired way faster than he dose.

When we started the match Mike kinda just stood their waiting for me too make a move as if he knew what i would do, i went at him threw a punch at his stomach than quickly changed to a right hook for his head trying to diek him out he moves back i go for a left jab he goes on ym left and gives me a hard kick on my side which hurts like hell because i had never taken a blow thier before, after getting kicked i let down my guard and hold m side in pain he gose up and starts wailing on my head its over.

After this fight i was really discouraged and started having second thoughts about kickboxing since couldnt even take a kick to the side and loosing that quicky than my friend started bragging that i am going to get my ass kicked ing kickboxing and stuff like that and that all the kids thier are as tough as him or tougher and that i should maybe try boxing instead.

Now the thing is i dont minde getting the crao beat out of my if it means i learn and that i can still walk eat the next day and just have a few bruises, the thing i am worried about is that what if i keep getting my ass kicked when i do take kickboxing since all these guys have so much more expierience than me and i cant take a lot of hits... what do you guys think?

Daniel · 05-23-2007, 11:05 PM

Have you taken kickboxing classes? Sounds to me like you just need to spar more.

Ring_Raider_07 · 05-23-2007, 11:18 PM

No, just take they kuck boxing. You'll vbet better and soon be on is level.

Nimmy · 05-24-2007, 03:12 AM

kickboxing is never about how big mean and bad the other guy is, its about improving your abilities to the level where your not worrying about the other guy, i think you should work up to sparring level. your not going to be remy bojansky with 2 classes, your friend is good for a reason.

Peniel · 05-24-2007, 10:44 AM

Did you learn any thing?
Was it free?
Were you injured to a point that you would not make a speedy recovery.

If the answer is yes to all three, it sounds like a pretty good deal.

You are safer sparing with a mature experienced partner than with an inexperienced one. The experienced partner knows his power and controls it much better than the inexperienced one. Just because some one doesn't have experience doesn't mean he doesn't have power and can't hurt you.

Switch · 05-24-2007, 01:36 PM

Hmm I thought that was what sparring matches where for. But it is just probably my warped view of the world.

texmo · 05-24-2007, 03:31 PM

I dont think its good to spar with somebody who is better and has something to prove. You need to learn, not become gun shy. If you get punched in the head hard a few times and you lose your confidence you will be worse off for it IMHO.

Dr.FuzzyBallz · 05-24-2007, 04:27 PM

No getting punched isnt the problem i am willing to get hurt for the sake of learning something its just that my friend said that the people in his kickboxing class are as good or better than him and they will hurt me really bad and i will quit in one or 2 days and that i will get a few bones broken or get my nose broken and stuff... see i am find with taking hits as long as i dont end up at the hostpital or cant walk the next day i will take bruises cuts w/e but i dont want to get my ass kicked so bad that i just keep getting beat without learning much.

nayr01 · 05-24-2007, 04:48 PM

its not like you go there and they say ok go and fight they trach you how do defend your self and how to atack before they make you spar guys who have been doing it for their whole life

texmo · 05-24-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.FuzzyBallz

No getting punched isnt the problem i am willing to get hurt for the sake of learning something its just that my friend said that the people in his kickboxing class are as good or better than him and they will hurt me really bad and i will quit in one or 2 days and that i will get a few bones broken or get my nose broken and stuff... see i am find with taking hits as long as i dont end up at the hostpital or cant walk the next day i will take bruises cuts w/e but i dont want to get my ass kicked so bad that i just keep getting beat without learning much.

Thats fine but no what im trying to say. Whee you get punched in the face hard a few times you become weary of the right cross to the face. So you back up a little, you become a little more defensive rather than offensive. You lose your confidence and as such become tense and you get tired quickly. If you spar with some one good who can control their power while still punching fast and teaching you your far better off than having the **** beaten out of you. You become more relaxed in the ring and are able to think faster and react quicker. You muscles are not tense so you dont burn your ATP up and you dont get that lactic acid pumping into your muscles.

Peniel · 05-24-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by texmo

I dont think its good to spar with somebody who is better and has something to prove. You need to learn, not become gun shy. If you get punched in the head hard a few times and you lose your confidence you will be worse off for it IMHO.

My students come up hard but they only spar with me for the first several months. I take a lot of shots. As they get better I make the shots harder. They only get tagged when the make a mistake. They gradually progress into sparing with one another with close supervision. I do understand your point though. I have seen beginners with potential, quiting because they were discouraged.

texmo · 05-24-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Peniel

My students come up hard but they only spar with me for the first several months. I take a lot of shots. As they get better I make the shots harder. They only get tagged when the make a mistake. They gradually progress into sparing with one another with close supervision. I do understand your point though. I have seen beginners with potential, quiting because they were discouraged.

That was my point. You are hitting them softy (relatively speaking) at first. Letting them know they have dropped their guard, they learn quickly and they also get used to being hit. As they become stronger, better and faster you hit them hard as they are more conditioned to it. If you went in and hit them hard and fast they would lose all confidence in them selves as a fighter and become gun shy.
So basically I am saying what you are, sorry if you don’t understand what I am saying. It’s because I am from New Zealand, that’s my excuse and I am sticking to it.

Harms · 05-24-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.FuzzyBallz

No getting punched isnt the problem i am willing to get hurt for the sake of learning something its just that my friend said that the people in his kickboxing class are as good or better than him and they will hurt me really bad and i will quit in one or 2 days and that i will get a few bones broken or get my nose broken and stuff... see i am find with taking hits as long as i dont end up at the hostpital or cant walk the next day i will take bruises cuts w/e but i dont want to get my ass kicked so bad that i just keep getting beat without learning much.

I find it hard to believe that there isn't one person at his gym that is at your skill level. I'm pretty sure there are beginners there. Your friend sounds like a prick. It doesn't sound like much of a school if every good fighter there just beats on the new people and not teaching you anything. Seems a bit counter productive to me. If every person who starts out gets injured cause higher level people look to hurt someone, noone would ever come back.

Harms · 05-24-2007, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Dude sounds like you go to a school where the owner is unstable and has his guys beat you down and if you come back, they figure you're tough and keep training you.

Kinda like these guys:

You gotta love The Karate Kid. I never realized how much Daniel got his ass kicked in that movie.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 05-25-2007, 01:43 AM

Just keep on going at it and learn the technique on a bag and get into good shape before you jump in with someone with more experience. dont go in there like you said. You would gas long before him. Start running and getting into shape.

Daniel · 05-25-2007, 09:57 AM

You know, I've never seen The Karate Kid.

Crashsti · 05-25-2007, 10:50 AM

when a beginner spars there should be some structure to the session. its should'nt be a free for all or a chance for the more experienced fighter to show off his abilities. i agree with Peniel's method of having new students spar only with him until they progress to a point where they can safetly handle themselves against others in the class. i have done some backyard sparring myself since we lack any MMA/boxing schools that are close. in those situations we always have some rules we lay down before sparring. this is not only makes things safer but extends the session which makes it possible to learn more. what is the point of a sparring session when one guy is to hurt either physically or mentally that he can't continue? its sparring not a fight after all. one rule of sparring that everyone should follow is "take care of your training partners, they are the most valuable asset you have in the gym.". so train hard but don't look to hurt or embarass anyone.

Switch · 05-25-2007, 11:12 AM

Well one technique I have seen use is tool development sparring. So you tell the people sparring that only say a jab can be used in this session. Then once they have the jab down they can throw in a right cross after the jab.
Another method is to have one use an offensive move while the other uses a defensive move. So say have one throwing a straight snap kick to the stomach while another uses their elbows to deflect the blow.
As far as your situation I would go and watch a few sessions of training at this school. Talk to any students who have joined in the last few months. Don't commit until you feel comfortable enough with the criteria being taught.

Crashsti · 05-29-2007, 11:57 AM

they still beat up the new guy at Militech in Iowa.

Crashsti · 05-29-2007, 01:28 PM

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LOL, and lately it doesent seem to be working well in creating new talent.

i think maybe you've figure it out. maybe Pat needs to be kinder and gentler with every wanna be MMA fighter that walks into his gym? instead of hard sparring maybe they could have drum circles and heart to heart talks. Pat could be a shoulder to cry on and Matt Hughes and Tim Sylvia could have hugging sessions to try to ease thier pain from losing their belts. are these the changes that will take Militech and crew back to the top? i think so.