Recovering from a hard shot

Crashsti · 02-27-2008, 02:24 PM

Does anyone have any tips of recovering from a near KO blow? You see it alot, a fighter gets tagged and out on his feet but the ref is'nt quite ready to step in and gives you a chance to intelligently defend yourself. I've seen Fedor spin himself dizzy and then do some punching drills and i wonder if this is what he is working on.

KungFuGrip · 02-27-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

Does anyone have any tips of recovering from a near KO blow? You see it alot, a fighter gets tagged and out on his feet but the ref is'nt quite ready to step in and gives you a chance to intelligently defend yourself. I've seen Fedor spin himself dizzy and then do some punching drills and i wonder if this is what he is working on.

Interesting

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Aren't there manys way of getting KO? Or is it just that sensor behind your jaw? Anyway in a mma fight I would pull guard or just get inside and hug the hell out lol. What ever you do, make sure there's no follow up shots coming after you.

This remind me of Cris Lytle's most recent fight where he rock the guy with an overhand right . Lytle hit him good, saw him stagger slightly and he just rush in a right handed the hell out of him. There was nothing the guy could really. He just got overwelm real bad.

Then you got the Herring/Nog fight where Nog was almost ko from the head kick and Herring couldn't put him away.

I think what it comes down to is your overall ablility to finish the guys (hit the hot spots chin,face,chin) as well as your own recover rate when in desperate mode.

Crashsti · 02-27-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterMWM

Interesting

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Aren't there manys way of getting KO? Or is it just that sensor behind your jaw? Anyway in a mma fight I would pull guard or just get inside and hug the hell out lol. What ever you do, make sure there's no follow up shots coming after you.

This remind me of Cris Lytle's most recent fight where he rock the guy with an overhand right . Lytle hit him good, saw him stagger slightly and he just rush in a right handed the hell out of him. There was nothing the guy could really. He just got overwelm real bad.

Then you got the Herring/Nog fight where Nog was almost ko from the head kick and Herring couldn't put him away.

I think what it comes down to is your overall ablility to finish the guys (hit the hot spots chin,face,chin) as well as your own recover rate when in desperate mode.

The possible scenarios are endless. I was just curious if anyone had any suggestions for training scenarios that could duplicate that situation. Things that could prepare you for such a difficult time in a fight. I am reminded of when Fujita tagged Fedor and had him out on his feet and somehow Fedor maintained his composure and ended the fight soon after by RNC. During post fight celebration Fedor was still rubber legged.

KungFuGrip · 02-27-2008, 03:11 PM

I don't of any real training method for that excpect some good ole fashion hard sparring with a friend that won't finish you off lol.

I wonder the way astronaunts train for outerspace would work. Not exactly what they do, but you know. They do train for hard landings, low oxegen levels and dizziness, right? Sounds silly ,but it could work.

basslogic4003 · 02-27-2008, 07:08 PM

That spinning yourself dizzy then punching drill thing you mentioned is exactly what you thought. It helps a fighter keep his cool and still function and defend himself after he gets rocked and has to recover.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 02-27-2008, 07:15 PM

I just go for take downs. It's a win win situation. If you get it then your no long in trouble, but if you don't get it then you just hold on to the legs and put your face down. They can't hit the back of your head. Also it works a lot because they want to finish you so bad they leave themselves open.

KungFuGrip · 02-27-2008, 07:25 PM

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I just go for take downs. It's a win win situation. If you get it then your no long in trouble, but if you don't get it then you just hold on to the legs and put your face down. They can't hit the back of your head. Also it works a lot because they want to finish you so bad they leave themselves open.

In the mma sport, I agree with you. In a real life sit not so much.

If you got rocked in the first place, you better be a tuff, quick thinking, smart mofo, to pull off what I bolded. Not saying your wrong or its impossible, just saying.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 02-27-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterMWM

In the mma sport, I agree with you. In a real life sit not so much.

If you got rocked in the first place, you better be a tuff, quick thinking, smart mofo, to pull off what I bolded. Not saying your wrong or its impossible, just saying.

Ya I am talking mma.

KungFuGrip · 02-27-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

Ya I am talking mma.

Sorry Iceman, I messed up my original post to you.

I fixed my quote of yours above. I erase the last sentence I wanted to bold originally lol. So my point didn't come across clear. My bad bro.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 02-27-2008, 09:38 PM

open your eyes real wide, and spin your head in circles 15 to 20 times... you will be dizzy at this point, and then side shuffle on the balls of your feet... my old boxing trainer would have us do that

KungFuGrip · 02-27-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPALLTHEWAY

open your eyes real wide, and spin your head in circles 15 to 20 times... you will be dizzy at this point, and then side shuffle on the balls of your feet... my old boxing trainer would have us do that

I can see the purpose of these kinds of drills

Crazy hardcore and respectable as well.

I use to be able to spin,spin,spin and fall down, look up at sky in a twirl. Now I be sick if I do that. Now thats something I might put off in my training lol.

MTKrav911 · 02-28-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

The possible scenarios are endless. I was just curious if anyone had any suggestions for training scenarios that could duplicate that situation. Things that could prepare you for such a difficult time in a fight. I am reminded of when Fujita tagged Fedor and had him out on his feet and somehow Fedor maintained his composure and ended the fight soon after by RNC. During post fight celebration Fedor was still rubber legged.

I personally don't think there are. You can train on getting hit, but it's difficult to simulate getting hit hard enough to simulate a near KO. In the end I think it's just heart. I really dont buy in to the fact that some fighters have a harder chin than the other. Maybe they have a larger pain threshold? I dunno.

Most "sparring" sessions, sure you can get caught and maybe even wobbled. But most legit sparring sessions are just that. Sparring sessions. Nobody is out there to take your head off. At least if they're professional about it.

Last night in our kickboxing class, there were some HW's really going at it pretty well. you could hear them tagging each other fairly heavy. But nobody was out to knock the other out. That's why I say it's difficult to prep for..

Unless you actually tell your partner to actually take your head off. Which I've never heard anyone ever, not even Pro's ever tell their partner to do that.

Too much can go wrong. You don't really want to hurt your partner #1. And #2, what does it really accomplish? That you KO'd someone in training?

In the end getting KTFO (IMHO) is an expereince only one can endure alone in a fight. Whether it be a pro fight or a street fight.

And subsequently something only they can learn from.

"Getting hit on the top of the head hurts. Getting hit on the side of the head hurts. But getting hit in the chin doesent hurt. The problem is, when you get hit in the chin, you don't know you've been knocked out until you wake up in the dressing room. So getting hit in the chin ****ing sucks!"

---Bas Rutten 2000

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 02-28-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

I personally don't think there are. You can train on getting hit, but it's difficult to simulate getting hit hard enough to simulate a near KO. In the end I think it's just heart. I really dont buy in to the fact that some fighters have a harder chin than the other. Maybe they have a larger pain threshold? I dunno.

Most "sparring" sessions, sure you can get caught and maybe even wobbled. But most legit sparring sessions are just that. Sparring sessions. Nobody is out there to take your head off. At least if they're professional about it.

Last night in our kickboxing class, there were some HW's really going at it pretty well. you could hear them tagging each other fairly heavy. But nobody was out to knock the other out. That's why I say it's difficult to prep for..

Unless you actually tell your partner to actually take your head off. Which I've never heard anyone ever, not even Pro's ever tell their partner to do that.

Too much can go wrong. You don't really want to hurt your partner #1. And #2, what does it really accomplish? That you KO'd someone in training?

In the end getting KTFO (IMHO) is an expereince only one can endure alone in a fight. Whether it be a pro fight or a street fight.

And subsequently something only they can learn from.

"Getting hit on the top of the head hurts. Getting hit on the side of the head hurts. But getting hit in the chin doesent hurt. The problem is, when you get hit in the chin, you don't know you've been knocked out until you wake up in the dressing room. So getting hit in the chin ****ing sucks!"

---Bas Rutten 2000

Good post MTKrav. I agree about people not having better chins/ It is about heart. GSP didn't want to keep going with Serra, but look at Tito. He can take so much "Punishment" No pun intended. He is next to impossible to KO. Chuck hits so hard, but do you ever see Tito quit? No