Beazt

I'm not familiar with BJJ rules so I can't make a full comment.
However, if the rules are basically as you state them to be: 1 point for sub attempt, 1 for passing guard, etc. then I see no possible way for the judges to use this.

Would you have the judges tally mark their scorecard and then score the round based on who had more BJJ points?

I agree with Dana White that a round should be awarded on who does the most damage. Generally that coincides with aggression and octagon control, but not always. See TUF episode 5 as an example.

The rules could probably be better, but the UFC is stuck where it's at.
Someone will be upset no matter what the rules are.
The current rules are effective most of the time. Leave 'em.

Mickey Finn

youre going to score heavily for a punch that nearly ends the fight so why shouldnt you score points for a submission attempt that nearly ends the fight? i understand that the punch will have more of a lasting effect so it should be weighted more heavily, though i still think submission attempts should factor into the scoring of a round

Crashsti

I think BJJ skills are already awarded. However since this is a very fast paced sport you need to eventually be able to use your skills offensively, advancing position and looking to reach a point where you can finish the fight. I have less respect for fighters who play a very defensive guard or are content to remain in an opponents guard and not try to pass to either side control or mount. Its a matter of knowing what you are seeing and applying it to scoring the round. You know good BJJ when you see it. But to score it has to be used offensively. If you have tremendous arm bar defense it still means you on the wrong end of a submission attempt.

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fight2night

More often then not, in MMA competition the guy on top is considered to be the one in the dominant position. In a BJJ tourney it's almost the complete opposite. Most people try to pull guard and the one who is in the closed guard doesn't want to be there cause they could get submitted. You rarely ever see someone submitting someone on the bottom while there in their opponents guard. The only occasion that I can think of where this has happened is Pe De Pano vs. Monson, where Monson used a can-opener to try an open his guard and Pe De Pano tapped. Monson got disqualified even though it was perfectly legal to use it to open up the guard of your opponent and a brawl ensued.

In MMA we have seen it time and time again where a very gifted wrestler gets a great take down on his opponent and does nothing with it except Lay n' Pray his way to victory which is complete BS. If the fighter on the bottom is outworking his opponent on top and constantly going for submissions, trying for sweeps, elbowing and punching them then he should get points based off of his aggression. Now if the guy on top is mauling the opponent on the bottom, passing there guard with ease, getting mount, taking there back they should be getting points on aggression and control of their opponent.

As for a failed sub attempt getting points, I don't think any points should be scored for the person trying to get the submission. Why? Well because more often then not the reason why they can't get the submission in is because the defense of there opponent is to good or they get out of it. Look at Lutter vs. Franklin for example. Lutter had Rich in a deep armbar but escaped it thus nullifying the submission and canceling out any points Lutter would have got for it. Submissions that would of ended the fight but didn't cause of the person was saved by the bell should most def. be counted point wise though.

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EliManningPwndThePatriots

Good post. The only point i was making more was during BJJ tourney's I've been to and watched you do get points for "almost" sub attempts, bu t it's graded on time. So say you hold a guy in an armbar for 4 seconds, you get X number of points, even though you don't get the tap. After that though, you dont get more points, so you can't hold someone there for 60 seconds and expect a dozen points.

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Mickey Finn

in bjj tournaments here you dont get points for submission attempts. only if the scores are tied do you get the advantage for a near submission