The Hammerfist

MTKrav911 · 02-02-2007, 05:09 PM

I love this move. Both for self defense and also, i think it's not used as widely in MMA as it should. It can be devastating (Frank Shamrock made Tito Ortzi tap because of Hammerfists to the side of the head after a botched singled leg by Tito).

Which brings me to my question.

When fighters shoot and push the other guy up against a cage and the guy sprawls and the shooter can't secure the take-down, why doesent the defender while the head is exposed of the shooter, not hammerfist downward across the side of their head?

Fighters end up in this position a lot in The UFC and it seems like standing fighter either doesent know to do it or maybe is it illegal????

Cause I personally think you can jack someone up by hammerfisting the side of the head/jaw ala Frank vs. Tito in 99.

sitnspin · 02-02-2007, 05:17 PM

Matt Serra says that small hammerfists are fine.

"Smoll hammafists ah foyn!"

Daniel · 02-02-2007, 06:31 PM

Spinning Backfist < Spinning Hammerfist

From the ground, the hammerfist dominates for sure. I don't know about the position you're talking about, though. If it is legal, than yeah, guys should go for that for sure. Even from the same position, hammering down on the guy's sides/back/rib areas could do some good damage, too.

The hammerfist is the most natural way of attacking, I believe. Whenever you see people who have never practiced or thought about fighting in a violent situation, out come the hammerfists. If you believe in evolution, it's probably because that's how apes and monkeys attacked. It's in our blood to hammerfist!

sitnspin · 02-02-2007, 06:37 PM

Awesome post, Daniel. Well said.

And I may joke about Serra yelling that all through TUF4, but he was right. There are a lot of times on the ground when guys are tied up and there are opportunities to just thump the #$%* out of the other guy with short hammerfists, but they don't necessarily do it because it's not going to win them the fight. But damage like that adds up over time and you'll take his wheels when you get back up to standing.

Ring_Raider_07 · 02-02-2007, 07:04 PM

I think it's because MMA today is all about haymakers and highlight reel KO's.

MTKrav911 · 02-03-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

Awesome post, Daniel. Well said.

And I may joke about Serra yelling that all through TUF4, but he was right. There are a lot of times on the ground when guys are tied up and there are opportunities to just thump the #$%* out of the other guy with short hammerfists, but they don't necessarily do it because it's not going to win them the fight. But damage like that adds up over time and you'll take his wheels when you get back up to standing.

I agree about the damage, that's what I'm saying. You may not KO some dude, but you can cut or swell someone up real nice for later.

spiritofbattle · 02-03-2007, 01:26 PM

what ufc are you guys watchin? hammer fists happen all the time, they usually don't do much damage because (guessing here) it is the soft side of the fist.

Greenman · 02-03-2007, 05:14 PM

Cro-Cop beat Josh with hammer fists IMO. He uses them a lot, and does a lotsa damage with them.

MTKrav911 · 02-03-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spiritofbattle

what ufc are you guys watchin? hammer fists happen all the time, they usually don't do much damage because (guessing here) it is the soft side of the fist.

Im talking more when a guy shoots and the defender is backed all the way in to the cage in a standing position. The guy shooting is usually still got a hold of the legs trying to get the takedown. The defender is usually just standing there semi sprawled doing nothing while the shooters head is wide open.

BAM I say right there start raining down hammerfists. Occasionally a fighter will do it from this position, but i wonder why they don't do it more being that the shooters head is so wide open

Ring_Raider_07 · 02-03-2007, 09:26 PM

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I think most of the time they're worried that if they start striking from there they'll be taken down.

MTKrav911 · 02-04-2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ring_Raider_07

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I think most of the time they're worried that if they start striking from there they'll be taken down.

Some of the lightweights tonight must have read our thread on hammerfists cause a lot of them threw hammerfists from standing positions!

spiritofbattle · 02-04-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Im talking more when a guy shoots and the defender is backed all the way in to the cage in a standing position. The guy shooting is usually still got a hold of the legs trying to get the takedown. The defender is usually just standing there semi sprawled doing nothing while the shooters head is wide open.

BAM I say right there start raining down hammerfists. Occasionally a fighter will do it from this position, but i wonder why they don't do it more being that the shooters head is so wide open

cant punch to back of head or spinal area. if i am understanding the position you are describing then that is what you are talkin about.

Crashsti · 02-05-2007, 09:26 AM

Bas Rutten advises using the bone of your wrist for Hammer strikes. he says why be nice and use the soft part of your hand when you can hit them with the bone. another variation of the hammer strike works during the clinch, maybe you can't get the right angle or distance to use the fist but who says you can't bring a hammer strike down on someone's collarbone? the collarbone is not a particularly strong bone and you might be able to fracture it or possibly even break it. its a good strike that is often overlooked and i think alot of fighters use it out of instinct and not because they really worked on it in the gym.

StratTone · 02-05-2007, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

Awesome post, Daniel. Well said.

And I may joke about Serra yelling that all through TUF4, but he was right. There are a lot of times on the ground when guys are tied up and there are opportunities to just thump the #$%* out of the other guy with short hammerfists, but they don't necessarily do it because it's not going to win them the fight. But damage like that adds up over time and you'll take his wheels when you get back up to standing.

Agreed. Also great thread. I never really thought about standing hammerfists but if I am tied up against the fence I think hammerfists would be quite effective in at least throwing the opponent off his game for sure.