clinch

GSPALLTHEWAY · 02-02-2007, 05:44 PM

refering to the franklin\silva fight what is the best defense for that in general to any muay thai people out there.... if you are in the clinch id guess pulling away wouldnt work, so wouldnt it be easy to just go into the person and go for the takedown? it seems that would be easier?

MTKrav911 · 02-02-2007, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

refering to the franklin\silva fight what is the best defense for that in general to any muay thai people out there.... if you are in the clinch id guess pulling away wouldnt work, so wouldnt it be easy to just go into the person and go for the takedown? it seems that would be easier?

Ideally you should trap one arm over the lead arm that's clinching you (hard to demonstrate online) and use your other arm to deflect the knees.

trapping their trapping arm in other words. It can limit their ability to move you as easily side to side. But..

A good MT player will shake off your defensive trap arm and just do what Silva does, throw knees in bunches. You'll defend a few, but miss a lot. That's why trapping the trapping arm can make a huge difference.

Daniel · 02-02-2007, 06:28 PM

Most of my strength comes from my back, so my plan to defend the clinch is to just whip myself backwards at different angles until I literally throw my opponent out of the clinching area. I practice this getting people to clinch me, and if they have good grip on it sometimes doesn't work, but it keeps them unbalanced which keeps them from throwing knees. If all the sciatic motion opens the opponent up, I'll feed him an uppercut.

If you have wrestling experience, I think forcing the takedown from that position is a good idea.

Any Judo guys around? I've wrestled with a friend who was in Judo and believe me, I wanted nothing to do with that guy at a clinching distance, he'd have me on my ass in seconds. I think Judo could defend the Muay Thai clinch well.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 02-02-2007, 06:30 PM

how about moving strait forward at the guy and taking him down to put him on his back??? ive really never worked on this, but it seems logical and im not sure why it wouldnt easily work? im sure theres something im missing

Ring_Raider_07 · 02-02-2007, 06:57 PM

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Any Judo guys around? I've wrestled with a friend who was in Judo and believe me, I wanted nothing to do with that guy at a clinching distance, he'd have me on my ass in seconds. I think Judo could defend the Muay Thai clinch well.

I've trained Judo for a few months now. I'm no expert, but...

In Judo, there are a TON of things you can do from the clinch zone. There is clinching in Judo, but it's gripping the back of the Gi around the lapell instead of the back of the head. Lots of simple hip tosses and leg sweep and such you can do from there.

vegas mma · 02-02-2007, 08:18 PM

if it's some punk on the street that doesn't have a killer muay thai clinch then take both hands and bring them up thru the guys arms this will force them off your neck past your shoulders. then do what bas says "kick them in the bawls"
if they are good at muay thai then do what MTKrav said.

Crashsti · 02-05-2007, 09:20 AM

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Ideally you should trap one arm over the lead arm that's clinching you (hard to demonstrate online) and use your other arm to deflect the knees.

trapping their trapping arm in other words. It can limit their ability to move you as easily side to side. But..

A good MT player will shake off your defensive trap arm and just do what Silva does, throw knees in bunches. You'll defend a few, but miss a lot. That's why trapping the trapping arm can make a huge difference.

most Muay Thai books advise against using your hands to defend the knees. by moving your hand down it leaves that side of your head wide open for elbows. the better option that i know is to turn your hip into the opponent and defend with the shin. you then use your hands to work on breaking the clinch. Of course in MMA you can try to get a takedown or possibly even pull guard if your really in a tough spot. Rich really put on a clinic on how not to defend the knees from the clinch, but thats what being overconfident will get you.

MTKrav911 · 02-05-2007, 07:42 PM

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most Muay Thai books advise against using your hands to defend the knees. by moving your hand down it leaves that side of your head wide open for elbows. the better option that i know is to turn your hip into the opponent and defend with the shin. you then use your hands to work on breaking the clinch. Of course in MMA you can try to get a takedown or possibly even pull guard if your really in a tough spot. Rich really put on a clinic on how not to defend the knees from the clinch, but thats what being overconfident will get you.

Yeah Rich really got hurt. I really kinda feel bad just how many times he got kneed by Anderson. I mean even the knees he deflected, Anderson just changed angles and nailed him on the other side.

Crashsti · 02-07-2007, 11:24 AM

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Yeah Rich really got hurt. I really kinda feel bad just how many times he got kneed by Anderson. I mean even the knees he deflected, Anderson just changed angles and nailed him on the other side.

i know, that was one of the few fights where i actually felt bad for a fighter. i must've rewatched that fight a dozen times to see what went wrong and exactly how many times he got hit. Silva's knees come in like bullets from a sniper rifle, deadly and far too accurate. i am definately no expert in Muay Thai but i think it safe to say that Rich did nothing right in that clinch. the book i took my clinch defense from is called Muay Thai Basics and along with what i said earlier it also says that if you're weaker than your opponent in the clinch that you do anything possible to avoid the position later on. another basic counter they give is to just push on you opponents chin and crank their head back. sounds easy enough unless you're in there with a guy as well versed in Muay Thai as Silva is.

MTKrav911 · 02-07-2007, 02:52 PM

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i know, that was one of the few fights where i actually felt bad for a fighter. i must've rewatched that fight a dozen times to see what went wrong and exactly how many times he got hit. Silva's knees come in like bullets from a sniper rifle, deadly and far too accurate. i am definately no expert in Muay Thai but i think it safe to say that Rich did nothing right in that clinch. the book i took my clinch defense from is called Muay Thai Basics and along with what i said earlier it also says that if you're weaker than your opponent in the clinch that you do anything possible to avoid the position later on. another basic counter they give is to just push on you opponents chin and crank their head back. sounds easy enough unless you're in there with a guy as well versed in Muay Thai as Silva is.

Damn straight.

THe defense I highlighted came more from an American Kickboxer, not a MT guy, but I like yours better.. The Kickboxer I learned it from's philosophy is that he liked that trap defense because he liked to counter uppercut to the inside in between deflecting the knees.