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MTKrav911 · 03-08-2007, 04:20 PM

What are all your opinions, with the evolution of Martial Arts about Aikido? Other than we all know Steven Seagal made some pretty damn good action flicks with Aikido?

I only ask this because here in CA, all police cadets when in the academy go through defensive tactics training which the CA Dept of Justice organizes and writes the curriculum for. Most of the defensive tactics are based on the Aikido system Yoshinkan Aikido which is also what the Tokyo Metro Police use as a system in Japan.

For what patrol officers have to do (cuffing, moving suspects around etc) I like Aikido. But. In a knock down drag out fight, basically outside the AIkido that the DOJ teaches, academy trainees are told... Youre on your own.

I wonder what all of your experiences are with Aikido if any. How feasible in the grand scheme of things do you all think it is? I mean for fighting, not for 'control' like cops are taught.

hmunster0 · 04-09-2007, 06:35 PM

Law Enforcement uses it for "come alongs" and yes handcuffing. It's great wrist & small joint manipulation. Every Law Enforcement Agency I've ever worked for has used it as It's core because it's 100% defensive. Witch looks great in a court of law. "I used it defending myself". The formal Aikido classes I have taken have always pushed the Zen thing and claim it can only be used in "defense" (as theirs no offensive moves in it) dont know how true that is. IMO because of the aggressiveness of mixed martial arts and no concern with Legal complications, it's easier to use excessive force and smash an opponents face with an elbow then to risk a complex wrist manipulation while getting pummeled.

PINOYPRIDE · 04-09-2007, 10:47 PM

Aikido, is a good form of martial arts in my opinion....but someone told me there is a more aggressive form of Aikido (forgot what's the name for it) but the person told me, some Aikido masters changed the art cause it was too aggressive...I could be wrong but that is what I have heard from a friend.

I think Aikido is a good art to learn and if I didn't move jobs, I would have learned more of this art.

MTKrav911 · 04-09-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PINOYPRIDE

Aikido, is a good form of martial arts in my opinion....but someone told me there is a more aggressive form of Aikido (forgot what's the name for it) but the person told me, some Aikido masters changed the art cause it was too aggressive...I could be wrong but that is what I have heard from a friend.

I think Aikido is a good art to learn and if I didn't move jobs, I would have learned more of this art.

It's probably Aiki-jitsu which from what I've heard is a mix of Japaese Jit Jitsu and Aikido. Lot's of submission type holds

GSPALLTHEWAY · 04-21-2007, 10:28 AM

i often wonder what would happen if steven seagal faced off against a complete counter puncher like winky wright... they would just stand there staring at each other for hours.... point being as some said, aikido has no offensive aspects to it whatsoever... but so what, its for defense and is very effective

mammoth91 · 05-01-2007, 04:22 PM

One of my most recent students is a 40 year old man named Ron, he holds a second degree black belt in Aikido and taught for many years. We often spar one an other with our diffreant styles and I can tell you for sure that if an advanced Aikido artist gets their hands on you, you are in for it. Aikido is very effective.

MTKrav911 · 05-01-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mammoth91

One of my most recent students is a 40 year old man named Ron, he holds a second degree black belt in Aikido and taught for many years. We often spar one an other with our diffreant styles and I can tell you for sure that if an advanced Aikido artist gets their hands on you, you are in for it. Aikido is very effective.

Thats if they get their hands on you. This is not news

mammoth91 · 05-02-2007, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Thats if they get their hands on you. This is not news

You asked about any experiences that people had, so I gave you one. Sorry if it was not "news" to you.

Crashsti · 05-02-2007, 10:54 AM

we have an Aikido school here in town. i was waiting in a car across the street and kept hearing this slamming sound. i looked across the street and i was able to watch, i assume the head instructor, throwing person after person. to be honest it all looked sort of scripted, as if the person attacking was expected to just submit to the technique.

basslogic4003 · 05-22-2007, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

we have an Aikido school here in town. i was waiting in a car across the street and kept hearing this slamming sound. i looked across the street and i was able to watch, i assume the head instructor, throwing person after person. to be honest it all looked sort of scripted, as if the person attacking was expected to just submit to the technique.

The reason why it appears that way is if the attacker doesn't flip through the air and roll with the technique, he will have his wrist/arm/etc broken or severely damaged

Peniel · 05-22-2007, 10:21 AM

I cross train in other styles only to learn defense against those styles. In mma the only advantage to mastering multiple styles is the surprise attack or the utilization of moves in which your opponent has no skill in defending.
Aikido, like many other self proclaimed "defense only"styles does have what I refer to as provocative movement. This is a tactic I have used in the ring for years, basically providing an opening for a strike or a take down and luring your opponent in to a more advantageous position. In Aikido provoking an offensive movement.

Switch · 05-22-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

It's probably Aiki-jitsu which from what I've heard is a mix of Japaese Jit Jitsu and Aikido. Lot's of submission type holds

Aikido is actually developed from Jujitsu as is Judo. There are several different styles of Aikido and each sifu has there own methods they focus on. It is a very good art but in general has a more defensive mindset then most other martial arts. So as far as a competetive art it really isn't designed for that mindset. Although there are techniques you can take from it and adapt to use in competetion.
As pointed out below the students are taught to flow with a technique when it is applied to help avoid injury. But it sounds like a demonstration for the students where occuring so it was probably loosely organized to show the observers the techniques the sifu was covering. In the classes I have attended the sifu will usually point to a student and tell them the offensive technique to use. Then he will show what defensive tools to use to counteact it.

mammoth91 · 05-22-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

Aikido is actually developed from Jujitsu as is Judo. There are several different styles of Aikido and each sifu has there own methods they focus on. It is a very good art but in general has a more defensive mindset then most other martial arts. So as far as a competetive art it really isn't designed for that mindset. Although there are techniques you can take from it and adapt to use in competetion.
As pointed out below the students are taught to flow with a technique when it is applied to help avoid injury. But it sounds like a demonstration for the students where occuring so it was probably loosely organized to show the observers the techniques the sifu was covering. In the classes I have attended the sifu will usually point to a student and tell them the offensive technique to use. Then he will show what defensive tools to use to counteact it.

Just a side note; Aikido and Judo are Japanese, the word Sifu is Chinese and not usally associated with Japanese arts.

Wilko · 05-23-2007, 02:42 AM

I don't think that aikido has much of a place in MMA but the pain complience techniques such as the wrist, finger and other joint manipulation techniques are good for police. I've been training in japanese jujitsu and i've watched a few Aikido classes and it's similar stuff but it looks like the way it's taught is way to soft.

Japanese Jujitsu > Judo > BJJ (should be called brazilian judo IMO)
Japanese Jujitsu > Aikido

> means comes from

Switch · 05-23-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mammoth91

Just a side note; Aikido and Judo are Japanese, the word Sifu is Chinese and not usally associated with Japanese arts.

Sifu means teacher it is a general term I use for any martial arts instructor I have studied with.

yaiir · 05-23-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilko

I don't think that aikido has much of a place in MMA but the pain complience techniques such as the wrist, finger and other joint manipulation techniques are good for police. I've been training in japanese jujitsu and i've watched a few Aikido classes and it's similar stuff but it looks like the way it's taught is way to soft.

Japanese Jujitsu > Judo > BJJ (should be called brazilian judo IMO)
Japanese Jujitsu > Aikido

> means comes from

If it was called brazilian judo, then it would be abbreviated to BJ, and nobody wants to say that they are going to BJ lessons later......or do they?

yaiir · 05-23-2007, 03:07 PM

Ive seen that video before, but who the hell goes charging at someone like that without even throwing a punch??

And to the person who said that if they dont do those flips or go where he leads them then their arm breaks - watch the video when it has 2.39 remaining. Segal clothe lines the guy, wrestling style and the guy does a flip. Thats a bit rediculous to be honest...

Im not saying Aikido is totally useless, but it would be difficult to adapt it to MMA imo.

mammoth91 · 05-23-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Switch

Sifu means teacher it is a general term I use for any martial arts instructor I have studied with.

While you are correct that Sifu means teacher or even more so, father. If you have called an instructor Sifu at a Japanese Dojo, well that just does not make sense. A mixed style school run by a Chinese man, okay. I run a Kung Fu Temple and I am called Sifu in side the Temple only and there really are no "general" terms in traditional Martial Arts. So I guess that is why I seem overtly anal about this, lol...

yaiir · 05-23-2007, 03:49 PM

Krav- If you are implying that there is no use for aikido in MMA, then just think about Karo Parisyan - I would never have thought that Judo would actually be useful in MMA, but Karo changed my mind about that. Maybe in a few years someone will come up and shock us using some cool aikido moves that ACTUALLY work.

Wilko · 05-24-2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by yaiir

If it was called brazilian judo, then it would be abbreviated to BJ, and nobody wants to say that they are going to BJ lessons later......or do they?

HAHA! Didn't really think about that