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Yeah, knockout reels are always great. Go see WCL in person since you are such a fan.. I am not a WCL fan but it is entertaining in person, so that means to a fan of it, ittl be awesome.. saw it at the Frank Irwin Center in Austin last year.
Seriously.. go check it out, there is no bad seat in the house due to the ring design.
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Yeah, knockout reels are always great. Go see WCL in person since you are such a fan.. I am not a WCL fan but it is entertaining in person, so that means to a fan of it, ittl be awesome.. saw it at the Frank Irwin Center in Austin last year.
Seriously.. go check it out, there is no bad seat in the house due to the ring design.
Yeah, that ring is cool. I still worry about the fighters tumbling out of the red area onto the floor. But, it seems to happen rarely rather than often.
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I'm with Akia I find it hard to watch the WCL....And I like Kickboxing it comes off as one of those old school events that Bruce Lee could never stand.
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I'm with Akia I find it hard to watch the WCL....And I like Kickboxing it comes off as one of those old school events that Bruce Lee could never stand.
It should be remembered that the WCL is a team sport that has to have a point system. They cannot waste time with 12-round kickboxing matches that bore people to death. If they did that, then one event would last all night and all day. Nobody, and I mean nobody, will watch that. But, I posted the point system above. It is NOT one-point per punch or kick or any of that BS.
The winner gets five points from each judge plus any penalty points. The loser gets four points or less. It's one round of fast paced action. They do that so that they can show an entire event on a single one-hour TV show. You get 12 to 14 fights in an hour. Not one or two fights an hour like on the old ISKA TV shows on ECSN or one fight per half-hour on the K-1 TV shows on ESPN2. And, those fights are mostly boring.
Look, WCL is not the best of all the combat promotions. It's likely not the best kickboxing for you hard core purists. But, it's entertaining. I liked watching it. For me, that trumps all the hyped up stuff we get normally in the world of kickboxing (excluding real true Muay Thai in Thailand).
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It should be remembered that the WCL is a team sport that has to have a point system. They cannot waste time with 12-round kickboxing matches that bore people to death. If they did that, then one event would last all night and all day. Nobody, and I mean nobody, will watch that. But, I posted the point system above. It is NOT one-point per punch or kick or any of that BS.
The winner gets five points from each judge plus any penalty points. The loser gets four points or less. It's one round of fast paced action. They do that so that they can show an entire event on a single one-hour TV show. You get 12 to 14 fights in an hour. Not one or two fights an hour like on the old ISKA TV shows on ECSN or one fight per half-hour on the K-1 TV shows on ESPN2. And, those fights are mostly boring.
Look, WCL is not the best of all the combat promotions. It's likely not the best kickboxing for you hard core purists. But, it's entertaining. I liked watching it. For me, that trumps all the hyped up stuff we get normally in the world of kickboxing (excluding real true Muay Thai in Thailand).
Hey, if it is what it took to get you back into kickboxing, thats a good thing. TRY and find some K-1 World MAX, its mostly smaller guys from 155-170ish lbs and alot more exciting than the HW K-1 WGP. The old ESPN2 K-1 shows are all HW fighters and a majority of these are from USA GP events where the true stars of K-1 werent fighting, or focus on the freakshow fights such as Bob Sapp.
Most kickboxing matches are 3rd Ext2, meaning that it is set for 3 3 minute rounds, but if the judges deem it a draw, there are up to two extra rounds.. rarely do you see an Ext3 match.
Honestly though, your best bet for good kickboxing is to watch some Shootboxing events, or Standing Vale Tudo as it is promoted.. Muay Thai rules minus elbows, with throws.. if the throw is exciting enough and not just a trip (such as a judo throw or a back suplex) the ref yells SHOOT, and the thrower is awarded an extra point.. so you NEVER see a dull clinch.. standing submissions are also allowed, although rare they do happen. Think San-Shou rules without the constant flailing scissor kicks and pauses in action to stand both fighters back up, and thats Shootboxing.
There is a user on youtube that is a friend of mine who has a ton of Shootboxing stuff up (and owes me credit for some of it ) named ILoveKatamari.. look him up and you can find lots of good action from AJKF and Shootboxing
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Lots of great points and opinions with this topic, great example of why I love FF. Anyway, it is hard to find kickboxing on tv most of the time and while WCL may not be the best it is fresh and new, better than watching Mcdonald fight Labanner for the 15th time from seven years ago.
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One more for you subgenius.. brutal body blows.
Kanonsuk (red trunks) vs Yamamoto (black trunks)
Also from All Japan Kickboxing (match is from 2006)
I will start a seperate topic about Shootboxing and get you some links to check out in there too.. gotta add more kickboxing to fuel your fire to get back into enjoying the sport!
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Ive tried watching WCL and I just cant. They want you to just swing and swing. Ive seen fightes penalized for actually trying to use technique. I like action. I just think there comes a point where urging them to fight takes away from the display of skill
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Not impressed at all with WCL, i can watch it for about 5 minutes.
Not big on IFL either.
Has anyone ever fell off that WCL ring??
Maybe I was too excited, but "Not too shabby" does not mean "the greatest of all combat sports" LOL. I just watched a bunch of WCL in the last few weeks, and I liked what I saw. The IFL and the WCL are very similar. So, if one is not your style, then it's likely both will not have any appeal for you. That is okay. I am not asking anybody to stop watching everything and just watch WCL.
I have seen several instances where fighters have tumbled to the floor or nearly to the floor, but have not yet seen an injury from it. It does worry me, but it also has a much better view of the fight for the audience at hand than a ring or the octagon with a cage.
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It's basically just old school full contact point sparring.
I don't think so. You seem to have ignored the point system. It is not much different than in MMA in the UFC with it's ten point must system. It is NOT old school points per kick, points per punch, points per technique. That is just wrong. I am sorry, but that is not the system in place.
The WCL, once again, uses a five point must system. There are three judges, and they MUST give five points each to the winner. They MUST give four points or less (from each judge) to the loser. If the fight is close, you see scores (when there are no penalties) like 15-12 (winner-loser). That is not all that different from the 10-9 per round system we see in most MMA.
But, here is the catch. The WCL is superior to the IFL in two important ways. The winner in a KO or TKO fight gets 15 points, but the loser gets a big fat zero (unless there are penalty points). THAT encourages the fighters to go out and strike hard looking for the KO or TKO. The other rule is the Passivity and Timidity Rule. And, both fighters can be sanctioned for avoiding and failure to show aggressive striking. I want that rule to appear in MMA. If it did, then borefests like Sanchez-Koscheck would happen far less. And, Koscheck would have been penalized for his backing up and avoiding conflict.
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Ive tried watching WCL and I just cant. They want you to just swing and swing. Ive seen fightes penalized for actually trying to use technique. I like action. I just think there comes a point where urging them to fight takes away from the display of skill
That has to be wrong as well. Unless you mean the leg kick rule. If a fighter in the WCL throws a single leg kick, but fails to follow up with other techniques, then that is a penalty. This is to make the fighters fight. So, a fighter cannot leg kick, retreat, leg kick, retreat, and hope for a win from the judges. The fighter must leg kick, and then throw a punch of another kick to follow it.
Also, no holding and no clinching. BUT, it's no clinching unless you throw more techniques (knees usually). Again, this is to keep the fighters fighting. It prevents a fighter from constantly clinching and doing nothing else (which is construed as holding and avoiding the fight).
The whole idea is to force the fighters to stay in range. To strike nearly constantly for three minutes. That is NOT as easy as it sounds. It is hard to fight for three minutes without pause. Even the best cardio guys need a few seconds to breathe and think. The WCL encourages a more instinctive style of throwing near constant techniques.
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WCL just seems like a place to get you ready for bigger things, like the rule where you can't let them force you out,teaches you to circle....Dont like the rule where they can't just stand there, does take away from the technique cuz they just start swinging most of the time lacking defense...To make a long story short, I watch it when nothing else is on
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WCL just seems like a place to get you ready for bigger things, like the rule where you can't let them force you out,teaches you to circle....Dont like the rule where they can't just stand there, does take away from the technique cuz they just start swinging most of the time lacking defense...To make a long story short, I watch it when nothing else is on
LOL, yeah, I would not watch WCL, if I knew that any sort of MMA (decent or boring) was on another channel. Luckily my DVR allows me to record one or two things at once, so I don't have to miss stuff. I record so much ISKA and K-1 stuff it's not even funny. I have seen everything from ISKA between 1992 and 2001 for sure, LOL.
) named ILoveKatamari.. look him up and you can find lots of good action from AJKF and Shootboxing 
Esp. seeing as I know you have fought in old-school style TKD tournaments in the past from our previous conversations
