The Ronin back in Fight mode

The_Iceman · 03-29-2006, 07:08 PM

I was at his gym a few days ago, and asked one of his training partners, what he's been doing lately with him self, he was saying: "its funny you asked, he and I were training a few days ago, for a fight In K-1".

Thought I let you guys know, he's still in the mix

angryjonny · 03-29-2006, 08:23 PM

That's awesome to hear. I hope he does get back into fighting again. Maybe he'll be in the GP they are having. Supposedly there are rumors going around that BJ is going to fight in it as well. I can't wait to see Carlos fight again.

DrumzCT · 03-29-2006, 09:00 PM

Definitely awesome news. I met him at the Fight Network kick off show in Toronto. Really cool guy.

subgenius · 03-31-2006, 04:13 PM

My pal met Mr. Newton in LV a few years back (I think it was a few months before the Ronin-Hughes fight). My friend said that he spoke with Ronin for about ten minutes or so, and that he thought Carlos was one of the most approachable and likeable guys in MMA. A real class act. An out-going man. Somehow, I like the fighters that don't need to be Mr. Super-ego or Captain Machísimo. The nice guy that kicks ass is pretty cool, IMO. Of course, it helps to have a Nick Diaz or Tito Ortiz to help keep the balance, LOL.

sitnspin · 04-03-2006, 12:50 PM

All I've ever heard from people who've met Carlos is that it's ridiculous how friendly and approachable he is. Like he's seriously interested in having a conversation with everyone who takes the time to come up to him, and it seems like he's never in a bad mood.

CentralKickboxing.Org · 04-04-2006, 05:25 AM

I live in Japan where "Ronin" means unemployed guy or kid who failed his university entrance exams. Strange that a fighter would call himself ronin. Maybe this is why everyone in Japan thought Quinton was homeless.

subgenius · 04-04-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CentralKickboxing.Org

I live in Japan where "Ronin" means unemployed guy or kid who failed his university entrance exams. Strange that a fighter would call himself ronin. Maybe this is why everyone in Japan thought Quinton was homeless.

No, a Ronin is a masterless outlaw samurai. Come on, EVERYONE knows that. Whatever it may have become in slang usage, it still means masterless outlaw samurai in the official dictionary definition. Below is the dictionary definition, if you doubt me (its from dictionary.com):

\Ro"nin"\, n. [Jap. r[=o]-nin, fr. Chin. lang profligate, lawless + j[^e]n (old sound n[=i]n) man.] In Japan, under the feudal system, a samurai who had renounced his clan or who had been discharged or ostracized and had become a wanderer without a lord; an outcast; an outlaw.

It is like Shogun Rua or Ninja Rua... Some people like the Japanese military names...

AikaImmortal · 04-04-2006, 01:12 PM

masterless can also imply unemployment too, which is where the slang usage came from

Greenman · 04-04-2006, 02:50 PM

Damn I wanna be a Ronin

Great news though to hear he is ready to fight.

CentralKickboxing.Org · 04-04-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

No, a Ronin is a masterless outlaw samurai. Come on, EVERYONE knows that. Whatever it may have become in slang usage, it still means masterless outlaw samurai in the official dictionary definition. Below is the dictionary definition, if you doubt me (its from dictionary.com):

\Ro"nin"\, n. [Jap. r[=o]-nin, fr. Chin. lang profligate, lawless + j[^e]n (old sound n[=i]n) man.] In Japan, under the feudal system, a samurai who had renounced his clan or who had been discharged or ostracized and had become a wanderer without a lord; an outcast; an outlaw.

It is like Shogun Rua or Ninja Rua... Some people like the Japanese military names...

Master means teacher (you know like school master or yedi master). The historical tag may say "outlaw" in your dictionary but feudal law was not like the law we understand today. To become an outlaw the Daimyo needed only to say "You're a bum. You're fired!"

That is what the ronin of the era were, bums and vagabonds. They could still carry two swords as it was their birthright but they were more like today's Ivy League crack addicts than skilled renegades that Hollywood would want us to believe.

Today, the connotation of "unattached" remains. If a fighter signs a 10 fight contract with, say, Pride and then goes around saying he is a ronin, DSE might feel a little offended. After all, he isn't a ronin during the contract and saying otherwise is an invitation to other promoters to negotiate.

When I first met Carter Williams in 2003, he was trying to think of a new nickname. The name he used as an amateur "The Beast" was taken by Bob Sapp. He had his heart set on Carter "Kamikaze" Williams, and I had to stop him. A lot of non-Japanese really have little sense of the nuance behind Japanese words. Ronin sounds silly at best for a fighter. Kamikaze is pretty offensive.

subgenius · 04-04-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CentralKickboxing.Org

Master means teacher (you know like school master or yedi master). The historical tag may say "outlaw" in your dictionary but feudal law was not like the law we understand today. To become an outlaw the Daimyo needed only to say "You're a bum. You're fired!"

That is what the ronin of the era were, bums and vagabonds. They could still carry two swords as it was their birthright but they were more like today's Ivy League crack addicts than skilled renegades that Hollywood would want us to believe.

Today, the connotation of "unattached" remains. If a fighter signs a 10 fight contract with, say, Pride and then goes around saying he is a ronin, DSE might feel a little offended. After all, he isn't a ronin during the contract and saying otherwise is an invitation to other promoters to negotiate.

When I first met Carter Williams in 2003, he was trying to think of a new nickname. The name he used as an amateur "The Beast" was taken by Bob Sapp. He had his heart set on Carter "Kamikaze" Williams, and I had to stop him. A lot of non-Japanese really have little sense of the nuance behind Japanese words. Ronin sounds silly at best for a fighter. Kamikaze is pretty offensive.

Yeah, I see what you mean now. In the West, Ronin has many different ways of being percieved. Many Japanese words take on new meanings in the West. It is a weird phenomenon.

Frank Miller, a comic book icon that did Batman Dark Knight Returns and the old Daredevil comic from the 1980s, chose the name Ronin as the title of one of his first graphic novels (Miller is also a great artist as well as a great writer). You can check out Miller's Ronin at Amazon. They let you see the first ten or so pages (I forget how many). Miller wrote and did the art for Sin City, which was made into a film last year. Ronin will also soon be a movie...

Frank Miller's RONIN

CentralKickboxing.Org · 04-05-2006, 02:20 AM

Japanese borrow words from English with some funny meanings too. The word for breakfast cereal in Japanese is Corn Flakes.

Frank Miller is the man. I don't know how he does it.