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MTKrav911 · 03-23-2008, 01:55 PM

On Inside the MMA, they had the matchmaker for Mark Cuban's HDNETFIGHTS MMA organization. He admitted to Bas Rutten in the show yesterday that they have penalties in their rules meetings for fighters who are not constantly striking and making the fight exciting. He also said thre are penalties for fighters who constantly try to take it to the ground. He said

"We like Jiu Jitsu guys and wrestlers. But if you're going to take the fight to the ground we frown on that. HDNETFIGHTS is about exciting fights, and going to the ground isnt exciting in most instances. Those are just not fighters in our opinion at HDNETFIGHTS."

The way he said it was logical, but the arugment that grapplers weren't fighters basically pissed me off. This to me shows that Cuban and Company have no clue about what MMA is, and are just doing all of this to get some attention.

T-Bone · 03-23-2008, 02:08 PM

Are you talking about the Friday night episode w/Jeremy Lappen? He's the EliteXC fight coordinator.

What stood out for me is that he said they want to discourage the lay and pray. Truth be told, most MMA fans don't like it. We see all the negative comments about Rashad, Kos, etc. And since EliteXC is going to be on network TV, they want exciting fights.

MTKrav911 · 03-23-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Are you talking about the Friday night episode w/Jeremy Lappen? He's the EliteXC fight coordinator.

What stood out for me is that he said they want to discourage the lay and pray. Truth be told, most MMA fans don't like it. We see all the negative comments about Rashad, Kos, etc. And since EliteXC is going to be on network TV, they want exciting fights.

Yeah that dude, I just didnt like when he said those "arent fighters" for our organization. I agree with the LNP argument, but there's ways to deal with that like stand them up for inactivity. And when you look at ELITEXC, yes, they are exciting fights, but I'd like to see some more technical grappling in that organization as well.

I really hope what doesent happen with EliteXC is that they build these guys with limited to no grappling up, then those guys move over to the big stage of The UFC, and get their asses kicked.

You absolutely must have the complete package in modern MMA and any organization that says they're not gonna basically let guys fight on the ground?

Are full of it.

basslogic4003 · 03-23-2008, 09:14 PM

Wow...guess I don't have a future on HD.net

FatCatMC · 03-23-2008, 09:30 PM

I saw the interview as well. Lappen simply said that lay and pray fighters were not what EliteXC is looking for. He specifically made it a point to say that wrestlers and BJJ'ers are more than welcome, as long as they stay active when they take it to the ground.

This is nothing new. Ever heard of a yellow card in PRIDE? He was making the point that EliteXC is looking for exciting up and coming fighters, and not necessarily guys on big win streaks that grind guys out on the ground with little to no action.

He never said grapplers aren't fighters, never even hinted at it. I don't know where you got that from but it's way off.

You quoted him properly yet you somehow misinterpreted what "We like Jiu-jitsu guys and wrestlers." meant.

FightFan76 · 03-24-2008, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

On Inside the MMA, they had the matchmaker for Mark Cuban's HDNETFIGHTS MMA organization. He admitted to Bas Rutten in the show yesterday that they have penalties in their rules meetings for fighters who are not constantly striking and making the fight exciting. He also said thre are penalties for fighters who constantly try to take it to the ground. He said

"We like Jiu Jitsu guys and wrestlers. But if you're going to take the fight to the ground we frown on that. HDNETFIGHTS is about exciting fights, and going to the ground isnt exciting in most instances. Those are just not fighters in our opinion at HDNETFIGHTS."

The way he said it was logical, but the arugment that grapplers weren't fighters basically pissed me off. This to me shows that Cuban and Company have no clue about what MMA is, and are just doing all of this to get some attention.

My thoughts exactly; watching 2 really good technical fighters on the ground is just as if not more exciting than watching 2 good strikers.....

T-Bone · 03-24-2008, 08:09 AM

Again, Cuban has nothing to do with this.

The guy is EliteXC's fight coordinator and he never said he hated grapplers. He was talking about setting up fights for network TV...and lay and pray types would not be well received.

FatCatMC · 03-24-2008, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Again, Cuban has nothing to do with this.

The guy is EliteXC's fight coordinator and he never said he hated grapplers. He was talking about setting up fights for network TV...and lay and pray types would not be well received.

Bingo.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 03-24-2008, 01:17 PM

That's so arrogant. So I see Mayweather going there IF he goes to MMA. He could take over if no one tries to take him down. That is one of the lamest organizations I have ever heard of.

MTKrav911 · 03-24-2008, 02:18 PM

That Lappey guy did say though "Those arent fighters for us".

FatCatMC · 03-24-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FightFan76

My thoughts exactly; watching 2 really good technical fighters on the ground is just as if not more exciting than watching 2 good strikers.....

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

That's so arrogant. So I see Mayweather going there IF he goes to MMA. He could take over if no one tries to take him down. That is one of the lamest organizations I have ever heard of.

Holy **** you guys aren't listening or comprehending or paying attention or something!

He said that Lay and Pray fighters are not the type of fighters they are looking for, most certainly not "Grapplers aren't fighters". He said that wrestlers and grapplers are more than welcome, as long as they stay active. Good lord.

LABJJ · 03-24-2008, 03:15 PM

Apparently Cuban has never seen the exciting stand up wars between Tim Sylvia and Arlovski. I would rather see a great ground game than this again. This guy works for Cuban and represents his company, So unless Cuban does not know what his personnel are doing and saying or he agrees with what they say or do. Did he say that stand up fighters are welcome as long as they keep their hands busy. Seems to me like he was targeting one group rather than saw inactivity with fighters on the ground and standing up will not be well received.

T-Bone · 03-24-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LABJJ

This guy works for Cuban and represents his company,

Cuban owns EliteXC?

FatCatMC · 03-24-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LABJJ

Apparently Cuban has never seen the exciting stand up wars between Tim Sylvia and Arlovski. I would rather see a great ground game than this again. This guy works for Cuban and represents his company, So unless Cuban does not know what his personnel are doing and saying or he agrees with what they say or do. Did he say that stand up fighters are welcome as long as they keep their hands busy. Seems to me like he was targeting one group rather than saw inactivity with fighters on the ground and standing up will not be well received.

Ok, let's break it down one more time.

Mark Cuban owns HDNet the network that airs "Inside the MMA" and HDFights, a fight promotion.

EliteXC is NOT owned by Mark Cuban, and Jeremy Lappen is NOT employed by Mark Cuban. He's the fight coordinator for a completely different promotion, EliteXC!

Everyone do yourselves a favor and watch the interview, because this is getting out of hand. I feel like we're playing a game I played in 5th grade in school where the first person in the class reads what's on a note and everyone whispers it into the next persons ear. Needless to say, when it gets to the other side of the class, the message is all messed up.

It reminds me of this as well:

I helped my cousin Jack, off a horse. or...
I helped my cousin Jack off a horse.

He simply said that Lay and Prey wasn't appealing to the masses, especially for the upcomming CBS broadcast.

Oww, my head hurts.

dsver1 · 03-25-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Ok, let's break it down one more time.

Mark Cuban owns HDNet the network that airs "Inside the MMA" and HDFights, a fight promotion.

EliteXC is NOT owned by Mark Cuban, and Jeremy Lappen is NOT employed by Mark Cuban. He's the fight coordinator for a completely different promotion, EliteXC!

Everyone do yourselves a favor and watch the interview, because this is getting out of hand. I feel like we're playing a game I played in 5th grade in school where the first person in the class reads what's on a note and everyone whispers it into the next persons ear. Needless to say, when it gets to the other side of the class, the message is all messed up.

It reminds me of this as well:

I helped my cousin Jack, off a horse. or...
I helped my cousin Jack off a horse.

He simply said that Lay and Prey wasn't appealing to the masses, especially for the upcomming CBS broadcast.

Oww, my head hurts.

So wait, Mark Cuban hates America and MMA is fixed?

FatCatMC · 03-25-2008, 02:03 PM

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So wait, Mark Cuban hates America and MMA is fixed?

ROFL!!! Awwe man, +1! I needed a good laugh after a tough day at work!

Harms · 03-25-2008, 04:58 PM

See I knew Cuban would ruin MMA. He needs to fire that guy.

*Waits for FatMC's head to explode*

LABJJ · 03-25-2008, 07:18 PM

On Inside the MMA, they had the matchmaker for Mark Cuban's HDNETFIGHTS MMA organization. He admitted to Bas Rutten in the show yesterday that they have penalties in their rules meetings for fighters who are not constantly striking and making the fight exciting. He also said thre are penalties for fighters who constantly try to take it to the ground. He said

"We like Jiu Jitsu guys and wrestlers. But if you're going to take the fight to the ground we frown on that. HDNETFIGHTS is about exciting fights, and going to the ground isnt exciting in most instances. Those are just not fighters in our opinion at HDNETFIGHTS."

The way he said it was logical, but the arugment that grapplers weren't fighters basically pissed me off. This to me shows that Cuban and Company have no clue about what MMA is, and are just doing all of this to get some attention.
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FatCatMC - I saw the interview as well. Lappen simply said that lay and pray fighters were not what EliteXC is looking for. He specifically made it a point to say that wrestlers and BJJ'ers are more than welcome, as long as they stay active when they take it to the ground.

This is nothing new. Ever heard of a yellow card in PRIDE? He was making the point that EliteXC is looking for exciting up and coming fighters, and not necessarily guys on big win streaks that grind guys out on the ground with little to no action.

He never said grapplers aren't fighters, never even hinted at it. I don't know where you got that from but it's way off.

You quoted him properly yet you somehow misinterpreted what "We like Jiu-jitsu guys and wrestlers." meant.
03-23-2008 09:14 PM

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Sorry I had gotten confused, with Krav saying HD net and Cuban's guy and FatCat MC saying the interview talked about Elite XC. I did not think he owned Elite XC, but hell he is rich and probably could buy it.

LABJJ · 03-25-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LABJJ

Apparently Cuban has never seen the exciting stand up wars between Tim Sylvia and Arlovski. I would rather see a great ground game than this again. This guy works for Cuban and represents his company, So unless Cuban does not know what his personnel are doing and saying or he agrees with what they say or do. Did he say that stand up fighters are welcome as long as they keep their hands busy. Seems to me like he was targeting one group rather than saw inactivity with fighters on the ground and standing up will not be well received.

Instead of CUban insert =EliteXC guy. There you go, different name, but same result.