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Affliction: Fedor/Sylvia will be a HW title match

AikaImmortal

Posted 6:57 pm, 06/17/2008

It supports all companies, but all companies do not support it. Fightlinker cracked me up earlier. In regards to the fact Affliction won't have thier own belt..

GOOD: This means there’s not going to be a retarded Affliction belt covered in fleur-de-lys and skulls wearing tophats.

Brad

Posted 5:04 am, 06/17/2008

According to Wikipedia...

WAMMA is the World Alliance of Mixed Martial Arts. It looks to become a sanctioning organisation, representing and supporting all MMA promotions. WAMMA lists its goals as "promoting the integrity, legitimacy and longevity of Mixed Martial Arts" through unified rulesets and rankings.



Now if it really means it will represent and support all promotions, does this actually mean the best will fight the best from now on... I mean if it really supports all companies, is this also a way which can now hold Randy vs. Fedor? Overall, this does sound interesting, and it will be good to have a organization in which will hold champions and can have legit title matches at all sorts of organizations and ppvs, if thats what it means?

Drewplata

Posted 5:17 pm, 06/13/2008

Gygax

You are correct. There has been a lot of talk. But as of this point, its not just one organization holding it up. EliteXC actually owns Icon, King of the Cage, and Cage Rage. They have a working relationship with Strikeforce. Yet how many unification bouts have we seen from them? You are correct, Zuffa will not play ball with the others. But at this point, its all talk on the other organizations' part as well.



That's not really an apples to apples comparison. EliteXC has only 2 belts right now and is a fledgling organization that is still finding its way- but they have had the forethought to form a relationship with DREAM. That relationship creates the potential for great match ups, not to mention the Joachim Hansen/Eddie Alvares fight that many are calling fight of the year. You have no chance to see JZ, Aoki, or Joachim Hansen fight in the US without EliteXC.

Gygax

Posted 5:02 pm, 06/13/2008

T-Bone

Agreed. There's been lots of talk of unification within the past year or so but there's one organization in particular that won't join in the discussions...and that's a shame. We hear this all the time - "The best should fight the best" - maybe one day...



You are correct. There has been a lot of talk. But as of this point, its not just one organization holding it up. EliteXC actually owns Icon, King of the Cage, and Cage Rage. They have a working relationship with Strikeforce. Yet how many unification bouts have we seen from them? You are correct, Zuffa will not play ball with the others. But at this point, its all talk on the other organizations' part as well.

An international sanctioning body is a great idea in theory. Boxing had that once in the World Boxing Association. Founded in 1921 as the National Boxing Association, it was the gold standard for recognizing champions. Then in 1963, a group of promoters wanted different champions that catered to the growing Mexican boxing community and created the World Boxing Council with its own set of champions under the invitation of the president of Mexico. Twenty years later, when promoter Bob Lee failed to become president of the WBA, he broke away and created the IBF and another set of champions. That kind of mutiny happened again against the WBA in 1988 and the World Boxing Organization was born. Now even Ring Magazine crowns its own set of World Champions in boxing.

If anyone thinks that same fracturing of an international sanctioning body wouldn't happen in MMA, they are kidding themselves. If WAMMA (for example) treated Gary Shaw, or Dana White, or Scott Coker, or Stephane Patry wrongly in their eyes, what's to stop them from starting their own sanctioning body? Basically thats what we have right now. And to say the fans wouldn't allow that to happen would be very naive.

Its certainly a broken system. But its not as easily fixed as saying an international sanctioning committee would solve it.

AikaImmortal

Posted 3:16 pm, 06/13/2008

Futurefighter

MMA orgs are capitalist enterprises and there is nothing you can do to unify them without their consent.

As far as a ranking system goes, I think that is a horrible idea. Fights need to be put together according to both what people want to see and the fighters' merit.



Shooto does that and they have a rankings system as well. Totally feisable.

Futurefighter

Posted 3:12 pm, 06/13/2008

MMA orgs are capitalist enterprises and there is nothing you can do to unify them without their consent.

As far as a ranking system goes, I think that is a horrible idea. Fights need to be put together according to both what people want to see and the fighters' merit.

Crashsti

Posted 11:22 am, 06/13/2008

Drewplata

Crash, you hit the mark once again. The current disconnected system of organizations is one of the strongest headwinds against MMAs maturation. It might have been alright a few years ago, but a global sanctioning body is now necessary. We need leagues with stratifications, like the minor leagues and major league baseball. Power must be taken from the likes of Dana White, Gary Shaw and FEG and a governing body should be elected by fighters, promoters and other people in the community. Fights should be for the betterment of the fighters and the sport, not an individual organization or promoter.



Very well said. My question is where does MMA begin to even create a system like that? I understand that Shooto in Japan has a very rigid ranking system in place which may be a good model for the entire sport. But like you said, we're in need of a global sanctioning body and i don't see that happening. Until it does i see MMA headed towards the same dark waters that dragged pro-boxing down.

Drewplata

Posted 9:52 am, 06/13/2008

It's a ring.

FightFan23

Posted 9:51 am, 06/13/2008

Does anyone know if this show will be in a cage or a ring?

Drewplata

Posted 9:29 am, 06/13/2008

Crash, you hit the mark once again. The current disconnected system of organizations is one of the strongest headwinds against MMAs maturation. It might have been alright a few years ago, but a global sanctioning body is now necessary. We need leagues with stratifications, like the minor leagues and major league baseball. Power must be taken from the likes of Dana White, Gary Shaw and FEG and a governing body should be elected by fighters, promoters and other people in the community. Fights should be for the betterment of the fighters and the sport, not an individual organization or promoter.

T-Bone

Posted 7:56 am, 06/13/2008

Crashsti

You know what i find funny. When Pride was bought by the UFC and dismantled, Fedor the current champ, was no longer a champion. The guy he beat for the title, Big Nog, went to the UFC to beat Tim Sylvia for the belt. Now we have Tim Sylvia fighting for a new belt against a guy who beat the guy who beat him. This is getting to be like boxing. We're going to have alot of champions but no unifications. Bummer.



Agreed. There's been lots of talk of unification within the past year or so but there's one organization in particular that won't join in the discussions...and that's a shame. We hear this all the time - "The best should fight the best" - maybe one day...

Crashsti

Posted 7:29 am, 06/13/2008

You know what i find funny. When Pride was bought by the UFC and dismantled, Fedor the current champ, was no longer a champion. The guy he beat for the title, Big Nog, went to the UFC to beat Tim Sylvia for the belt. Now we have Tim Sylvia fighting for a new belt against a guy who beat the guy who beat him. This is getting to be like boxing. We're going to have alot of champions but no unifications. Bummer.

T-Bone

Posted 3:32 pm, 06/12/2008

Thanks dsver...

For a new org (or any for that matter), if this isn't a HW title fight then I don't know what is.

dsver1

Posted 3:15 pm, 06/12/2008

Five Ounces of Pain | 5 Oz. Exclusive: Fedor and Sylvia to fight for heavyweight title


5 Oz. Exclusive: Fedor and Sylvia to fight for heavyweight title
June 12, 2008
By: Sam Caplan


FiveOuncesOfPain.com has learned that Afflictionís main event between Fedor Emelianenko and Tim Sylvia scheduled for the promotionís inaugural card on July 19 is expected to be contested for a heavyweight title.

This site was first alerted to the possible title component for the bout between Emelianenko and Sylvia after being approached by a source at Afflictionís New York press conference on May 21. A second source then confirmed earlier this week that a heavyweight title will in fact be at stake.

It is still somewhat unclear what title the two will be competing for, as Affliction has stated in the past that it did not have any immediate plans to institute titles. If that is still the case, it creates the possibility of a sanctioning body becoming involved.

The most notable sanctioning organizations currently involved in Mixed Martial Arts are the WKA, USKBA, NABC, and WAMMA. The WKA and USKBA both focus primarily on sanctioning amateur fight cards as well regional professional shows. It is not believed they would be involved with a bout the magnitude of Emelianenko vs. Sylvia unless either organization has undergone a major shift in philosophy.

After speaking with several industry insiders, WAMMA was identified as the most likely organization involved, however, WAMMA Chief Operating Officer Mike Lynch did not return voice mails on Wednesday left by Five Ounces Of Pain when contacted for comment.

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