Fedor's Myths and Facts

Scarecrow · 10-01-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by the_natural

Georges St. Pierre's record is as impressive to me as Fedor's,if not more impressive. This is because I think it shows a lot more to come back and win against someone who has already beaten you. Georges St. Pierre AND Fedor have perfect MMA records.

P4P GSP is the best fighter ever IMO, followed by Fedor, then BJ, then Anderson.

Whoever wrote that article is huggin some nuts tight,but a lot of what he writes is true.

A simple Wiki search will prove otherwise.

Fedor is 29-1-1...the loss coming from a cut and the no contest coming from an accidental headbutt.

GSP is 17-2-0...losses coming from a KO and submission.

the_natural · 10-01-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Fedor is 29-1-1...the loss coming from a cut and the no contest coming from an accidental headbutt.

GSP is 17-2-0...losses coming from a KO and submission.

Thanks for that new information mate...

Sonic Death Monkey · 10-01-2008, 10:47 AM

Decent article, but it's definately biased and doesn't bring up alot of new info. If you've not realised by now that Fedor is the #1 p4p fighter (or at very least top 3) your name is probably Dana White.

Tbh Dana is a smart guy and I don't think he believes what he's saying himself. Saying Fedor isn't a the #1 p4p fighter is good for his business though.

Sonic Death Monkey · 10-01-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by the_natural

If BJ beats him then I'll say he doesn't have a pefect record anymore, isn't that obvious? lol.

Unless he gets a re-match and wins amirite?

The fact that Fedor hasn't lost a single fight is a HUGE sign of strength. Anyone even implying otherwise do not know what he's talking about.

the_natural · 10-01-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey

Unless he gets a re-match and wins amirite?

The fact that Fedor hasn't lost a single fight is a HUGE sign of strength. Anyone even implying otherwise do not know what he's talking about.

Totally agree. A record like Fedor's can't be questioned. I'm not by any means attacking his ability or greatness as a fighter

Sonic Death Monkey · 10-01-2008, 11:18 AM

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Totally agree. A record like Fedor's can't be questioned. I'm not by any means attacking his ability or greatness as a fighter

Great, if so I disagree but respect your opinion.

Trying to do p4p ranking is a tricky business, for one being considered a top 3 p4per in LHW will be extremely difficult because the division is stacked and it will be hard to reach a dominant position. Or maybe it's "stacked" because there's no truly great fighter in it? It's hard to know and to compare the divisions.

If I did one right now it would probably be like this:

1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. Penn
4. St Pierre

Harms · 10-01-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by the_natural

That's not what I'm saying at all. True, I would like to see how Fedor comes back from a real loss, but it's definitely not the reason for ranking GSP the No. 1 fighter. My reasoning is that I believe if GSP was a natural heavyweight then he would beat Fedor...

That isn't what you said at all. This is what you said:

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Originally Posted by the_natural

Georges St. Pierre's record is as impressive to me as Fedor's,if not more impressive. This is because I think it shows a lot more to come back and win against someone who has already beaten you. Georges St. Pierre AND Fedor have perfect MMA records.

P4P GSP is the best fighter ever IMO, followed by Fedor, then BJ, then Anderson.

Whoever wrote that article is huggin some nuts tight,but a lot of what he writes is true.

If not more impressive because he lost?!?!? You are saying that because GSP lost and won the rematch, it is more impressive than Fedor never losing or at the very least the same amount of impressitivity (yes, i know there is no such word). Then you go on to say that GSP is the best fighter EVER. EVER??? C'mon man. Really? Really??? I could somehow in someway see how GSP could be the best p4p right this minute, but ever? That is going a bit far.

Ventre · 10-01-2008, 12:33 PM

I am not going back and re-reading each post but someone stated that fedors striking was the best but according to bas rutton fedors striking is effective but incorrectly done hence why he keeps breaking his wrist.

Scarecrow · 10-01-2008, 02:52 PM

I always thought he just threw punches harder than what his bones could handle. It's not that uncommon even with gloves, although I've heard it is normally the thumb that gets broken and not wrists.

jyd94 · 10-01-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarecrow

I always thought he just threw punches harder than what his bones could handle. It's not that uncommon even with gloves, although I've heard it is normally the thumb that gets broken and not wrists.

I'm sure it is a combination of both.

fullonshred · 10-01-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy

Thanks for posting the vid fullonshred

I love the part where Fedor is getting sweeped and he reverse himself back to top in like 5 sek.Fedor is really a ballance artist.It is when he is under most pressure he really shines.

You're Welcome guys. Thanks to crazy for mentioning the fight and instigating me to go see if it was on youtube. I agree 100% about Fedor's balance and the way he handles pressure. The Randleman Slam comes to mind. It went from went from OMG that guy (Fedor) must be dead!! to him gaining control and then subbing Kevin a short time later.

jyd94 · 10-01-2008, 04:29 PM

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You're Welcome guys. Thanks to crazy for mentioning the fight and instigating me to go see if it was on youtube. I agree 100% about Fedor's balance and the way he handles pressure. The Randleman Slam comes to mind. It went from went from OMG that guy (Fedor) must be dead!! to him gaining control and then subbing Kevin a short time later.

Anyone ever see the vid of him on the surfboard type thing throwing punches? It is off balance and he lays on it face down and throws punches like he is in someones guard / or standing above them dealing with their legs? Crazy old school fight specific training....

Crazy · 10-02-2008, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ventre

I am not going back and re-reading each post but someone stated that fedors striking was the best but according to bas rutton fedors striking is effective but incorrectly done hence why he keeps breaking his wrist.

What Bas is sayin is corect. If Fedor is using his right hand to punch he hits with the inside of the the hand(the left side of his wrist, where the tom is).
The bone comming from the finger to the wrist can then easely breake like a chicken leg.I don`t know why Fedor throws his hooks like that but it seems like it is very effective for him and working very well in his fight.
I have no idea if he gains any speed throwing them like that either.
Would be intresting if somone here with some boxing skills could comment on that.As far as I can see it is only his hooks wich he throws wrong that can lead to this injuris.

DISCO · 10-02-2008, 11:45 AM

Not one to hug on anyone's nuts ignorantly, I'm going to go watch all these Fedor fights...just so I can either jump on the crowded bandwagon or stand by the wayside and thumb my nose as the wagon drives by. I'm not ashamed to admit the bulk of my knowledge of mma began and has remained focused upon all things UFC.

Crazy · 10-02-2008, 05:52 PM

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Not one to hug on anyone's nuts ignorantly, I'm going to go watch all these Fedor fights...just so I can either jump on the crowded bandwagon or stand by the wayside and thumb my nose as the wagon drives by. I'm not ashamed to admit the bulk of my knowledge of mma began and has remained focused upon all things UFC.

You should do so m8

Not to find out who is best or not because it is really not that important but to have many houers of fun watching some very fun/god fights. Enjoy.

the_natural · 10-02-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Harms

If not more impressive because he lost?!?!? You are saying that because GSP lost and won the rematch, it is more impressive than Fedor never losing or at the very least the same amount of impressitivity (yes, i know there is no such word). Then you go on to say that GSP is the best fighter EVER. EVER??? C'mon man. Really? Really??? I could somehow in someway see how GSP could be the best p4p right this minute, but ever? That is going a bit far.

So what if said that? It's still not the reason for me ranking him above Fedor...it's that I just believe he's likely the better figher.

And what you mean by 'I could see him as best p4p right now but not ever'? MMArtists are better now than they have EVER been. Hence the best p4p fighter right now is bound to be the best fighter ever...thought that'd be obvious.

GSP epitimises the evolution of MMA.

subgenius · 10-02-2008, 08:20 PM

Fedor provokes stupid comments from everybody. He's somehow like the Jesus Christ of MMA. He can walk on water and raise the dead. He's some sort of unbeatable force of nature.

BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Fedor has not fought top talent outside of Sylvia in over THREE YEARS! He's not the best. He would get tooled in the cage and in the UFC octagon. Right now he's been getting fights that are meaningless and that do not make me feel that he deserves the praise.

Yeah, okay, sure... Fedor is a nice guy and unassuming and all of that. I like him as a person. But, his management is retarded. They would rather see him fight sideshow circus freaks than real MMA competition.

Sorry, but that article sucked. I am not impressed with its performance, as GSP would say, and the same goes for Fedor in the last three years.

Speaking of GSP, a guy that has fought top talent throughout his career, he is among the best there is out there today. Forget that nonsense about wins and losses. You guys always biotch at me when I use records to support my arguments, so suck it up now and bite that same bullet. I keep hearing from guys like Mir and Nogueira and so forth that "if you have not lost a fight, then you are not fighting top level fighters."

Fedor needs to step up and fight some really tough fighters. Sylvia was a good start. Barnett, if that ever happens, is a good second step. AA? Also a good fight. But, no more circus sideshow fights with guys that weigh 300 or 400 pounds. God, that pisses me off.

T-Bone · 10-02-2008, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Fedor provokes stupid comments from everybody.
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He would get tooled in the cage and in the UFC octagon.
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But, no more circus sideshow fights with guys that weigh 300 or 400 pounds. God, that pisses me off.

Yeah, I agree...there are stupid comments when it comes to Fedor.

As for the circus sideshow fights, I know...it's almost as if he's fighting a 300 lb. guy who had only 3 MMA fights. Oh no, wait...that's Randy.

subgenius · 10-02-2008, 09:00 PM

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Yeah, I agree...there are stupid comments when it comes to Fedor.

As for the circus sideshow fights, I know...it's almost as if he's fighting a 300 lb. guy who had only 3 MMA fights. Oh no, wait...that's Randy.

Comparing HMC to Brock Lesnar is just, well, stupid. Sorry, but that's it. And, in case you missed it, Brock Lesnar makes weight at 265 pounds in the UFC. He is a legitamate HW. If they can say that Matt Lindland is a HW, then I can say that Lesnar is a HW and not a super-HW. Honestly, after the last Fedor-Mirko fight and before the Fedor-Sylvia fight, what guy deserved to be in a match with Fedor? Zuluzinho? HMC? Lindland? Coleman? Hunt? All of those fights were jokes, IMO. Coleman is over-the-hill compared to Fedor. Hunt had 60 pounds on Fedor. Hunt is 5-4 in MMA. He has lost his last three fights. These guys are not the best of the best in MMA.

T-Bone · 10-02-2008, 09:02 PM

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Comparing HMC to Brock Lesnar is just, well, stupid. Sorry, but that's it. And, in case you missed it, Brock Lesnar makes weight at 265 pounds in the UFC. He is a legitamate HW. If they can say that Matt Lindland is a HW, then I can say that Lesnar is a HW and not a super-HW. Honestly, after the last fedor-Mirko fight and before the Fedor-Sylvia fight, what guy deserved to be in a match with Fedor? Zuluzinho? HMC? Lindland? Coleman? Hunt? All of those fights were jokes, IMO. Coleman is over-the-hill compared to Fedor. Hunt is a 295 pounder that did not cut to 265. Hunt had 60 pounds on Fedor. Hunt is 5-4 in MMA. He has lost his last three fights.

I didn't compare HMC to Brock Lesnar. I thought you brought that up b/c of the silly weight differential. I know you don't like Fedor. You don't have to.