Thread: KJ Noons eyes MMA return with Strikeforce; Rematch against ‘dumb ass’ Nick Diaz

Originally Posted by theYOCarea

I'm sorry but I think this guy is a tool. I can't stand him, he refused many times to fight Nick and his excuse was only "whats the point I already beat him". Now his precious EliteXC has gone along with his belt and he now wants to fight one of strikeforces (and MMA's) top stars.

He was no doubtingly getting the best of their first fight but to win by a cut stoppage and act like he did afterwards(going on inside MMA and showing pics of Nicks face after the fight) I mean come on guy.

He bested Diaz & he did enough to get those cuts opened up.

Diaz threw a fit running out of the building and pushing cameramen like a big kid throwing a fit.

He beat him & he stated it before why should he fight a guy who he beat already & that guy was getting paid 3 times the money KJ was and KJ was the champ!

He refused to fight him again but he didn't say never again.
He wanted a new opponent and I see nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by jyd94

I never liked the guy. Professional boxer that only beat Diaz cause of cuts on a fight that never hit the ground. Diaz beat Gomi with worse cuts. You know why Diaz gets more $ because he is the better well known fighter, not to mention contracts. Sorry pal but this is the real world and when a no name gets the belt and a star comes in to fight him, the star gets the money.

Did he not win the belt by winning that match????

Then they want Diaz to fight him again but now get more cash then the champ?

The whole point of being the champ is to be known as the best and to get the best pay check.

That goes for any fighter WWE stars or not.

The champ should imo always be paid the most or there is no reason to fight for a belt.

Here is there kicker to, I really don't like either one of them.

Originally Posted by FatCat

Diaz's camp has stated a few times that the cut to 160 is too taxing on his body. KJ wanted nothing to do with a rematch before that little tidbit came out, now all of the sudden he's calling him out? Sorry, but KJ is a complete tool. Make this fight @ 170 and ND dominates.

Of course he wants to call him out because he screwed up by leaving mma and giving up his belt.
I don't deny that at all but he still had points in his argument that he did beat him & they were going to pay Diaz more then their own champion.

They were promoting Diaz constantly while barely mentioning their own champion and that imo is not good business.

Diaz not being able to cut to 160lbs easily is not KJ's fault.

Again I don't like either of them at the time KJ was right.

What I can't believe is how so many people support him & his brother *Diaz* yet both of them act like asses most of the time & put on WWE antics before, during and a lot of times after a match *giving the finger, getting involved with other peoples interviews, pushing during interviews, running out of buildings pushing cameramen* and yet other mma fighters such as Rashad get hell for what they do? lol

Originally Posted by jyd94

The fight was stopped by a doctor based on superficial cuts that Diaz is prone to, congrats KJ!!!! I would ask your buddy Lyoto if his belt is about $ at all. Just let go of his balls with 1 of your hands (be careful not to fall), reach up and pull his wasteband back and yell up and ask him.

Champs are supposed to be the best guy in the divsion, guys who sell tickets and PPV's make the $ for the organisation, they are very rarely the same guys. Were you making this claim when Serra had his fight as champ with GSP in Canada? Even Serra wasn't saying he should be paid more.

First of all don't get all angry and start talking about balls and ****, if those are your fantasy's then so be it but leave me out of it.

When your ready to discuss this again without the stupid remarks let me know.

Originally Posted by jyd94

Not angry at all, and to post without stupid remarks is very hard for me in these conditions....

Explain Serra vs. GSP in terms of champ getting more $.

If Serra was good enough to beat GSP and get the belt then he should be getting paid.

I don't go with that lucky punch crap because in order to be lucky in my eyes mean that he wasn't aiming for his face, he closed his eyes & GSP chin just so happen to be weak that time.

Serra should make more money from the UFC per match.
This would only occur once though since he defended his title the first time against GSP.

Now when it comes to sponsors and stuff like that, it becomes an issue between the fighter & the manager & the sponsors but the UFC should be paying their champions & promoting those champions more then any other fighter.

As I said before, KJ ****ed up by leaving mma and now he is looking to get back in with a bang.
It's up to strikeforce to decide if they are going to fall for the tactic though.

Look at Davis, I don't feel he lost that fight vs Hardy because most of the work was done by Davis & Hardy just happen to land a few power shots that busted open Davis who has been cut many times before yet imo it's because of that, that Hardy won.

Diaz didn't defend well enough to stop from getting hit many times over & it allowed for a cut to be opened over his eye which caused him to lose. That is the game.

Why did KJ change his mind? All of a sudden, boxing isn't enough for him? Pshhh.

Originally Posted by T-Bone

Why did KJ change his mind? All of a sudden, boxing isn't enough for him? Pshhh.

Because he isn't as good at boxing as he thought lol.

Like I said bad mistake on his part.

I am watching the fight again.

So far I am seeing KJ school Diaz.

Diaz has eaten body shots, had all his taken downs stuffed, taken a kick to the face and a knee on two different take down attempts & all the while KJ is doing exactly what needs to be done, not standing there trading pit pat punches or sitting on the fence & he is ducking and moving his head & body like crazy so Diaz can't hit him.

All this so far in 2 minutes 43 seconds.

Diaz finally gets KJ down.

Kj gives up his back and suckers Diaz into trying to take it then rolls out and leave Diaz on the ground.

Now this is Diaz area yet he couldn't keep KJ down.

The fight is stopped atm do to this cut that came from a nice knee when Diaz went for a take down.

Btw its bleeding pretty good for a "superficial" cut.

The cut is just above the eye lid and below the eye brow which is not a nice area to have a cut.

They allow it to continue but to me imo that should be called right there I mean your talking about possible eye damage if it continues.

The announcers even state it is in a bad place.

Now that I am watching this fight again it reminds me of Diaz vs Frank. Frank was trying to do the exact body movements as KJ lol.

Oh Diaz just got knocked on his butt by a hard right which is not coming from the angle of the cut so Diaz would see that coming.

Kj is being smart by doing a little gnp but from standing position and when Diaz goes for a leg KJ is ready.

And again Diaz trys for the leg and KJ is ready.

Now Diaz scoots across the floor trying to get KJ because I think Diaz realizes he is out boxed this night.

Hmm appears to be another cut now.

Another stuffed take down.

Diaz gets the take down as the bell rings.

The doctor stops the fight because of two cuts and Diaz starts his fit by first throwing his hands in the air and then flipping off KJ.

KJ Noons Vs. Nick Diaz EliteXC Video | MMA Root

My point is simple, KJ earned that belt, he whooped some ass and it wasn't as if Diaz wasn't given a chance to win.

There was nothing in KJ performance imo that showed he did not deserve that title and the respect.

I don't care for either much but both have excellent skills and Diaz lost that night and I feel he will lose almost everytime to a good technical striker who doesn't just sit there and take his patter shots.

Originally Posted by jyd94

So the contracts guys sign don't mean anything? So if guys should get more in their contract for being champ then logically guys who loose should get less their next fight? Serra knew what was up, knew who the draw was and didn't do any of the **** KJ is doing, that is a man.

Your explaination of GSP and the 'lucky punch' didn't hit his suddenly weak chin it hit the back of his head so I really can't comment on that since what you wrote didn't happen.

Your also comparing fights that went the distance and or had tapouts to a fight only stopped by a doctor not because Diaz couldn't or didn't want to continue. Diaz is a slow starter and KJ got out with a win, a win I don't think he thought he was going to get, then he ran from Diaz, end of story.

Dude slow starter? again that's not KJ's fault.

GSP had everything going for him, height, reach, natural weight & even skill set except he lost to a better striker that night & that imo is why he has mainly fought on the ground every since.

Noticed in the first fight GSP did not once attempt to go to the ground? he knows Serra is a bjj black belt and what happens? GSP taps to strikes.

The first hit that started GSP's tko was not a fist to the back of the head.
Serra threw a punch GSP put his head down and to the side and Serra's forearm hit the side of GSP's head.
From the angle I seen.

Originally Posted by opsy

Thanks for proving my point.

Now do you want me to show you the full gif that shows his fist landing on his shoulder and and Serra's complete are coming back to his chest over GSP's head? come on Opsy I would expect more from you then just showing that little piece of gif which either way shows exactly what I said lol.
The inside of his arm where the curve begins hits GSP on the ear.