Former tanner vs Horn thread, Now IFL thread

sitnspin · 03-15-2006, 06:59 AM

No one's mentioned that this one's been officially added to the card. I think it's a great match-up between two tough veterans. I've been an Evan Tanner fan since I first got into MMA, and it was hard to watch him take two tough losses in a row and basically disappear.

On the other hand, Horn got brutalized by Chuck in his LHW title shot. I respect his heart for staying in there until he couldn't see anymore, but he definitely got pounded.

So here we've got two guys with good ground games who aren't afraid to brawl, both coming off really tough losses where they got pounded senseless. After Horn and the UFC saying that he was going to stay at 205 and be the division's gatekeeper, he's gone back down to a more comfortable weight class.

Thoughts? Who've you got for this one? I think it'll come down to Horn's BJJ vs Tanner's ground-and-pound, and hopefully it won't get stopped early due to a cut. I'm gonna go with Tanner.

lwbfl · 03-15-2006, 08:26 AM

I'm very interested in seeing this one. I just hope Tanner don't come in with corn rows or an afro again.

SWIBC · 03-15-2006, 09:06 AM

very interesting fight to improve the card even more.
I think Horn will take it, Tanner seems to cut real easy and that will give him major issues.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-15-2006, 09:14 AM

hes only been cut twice, and by the crows elbows, and richs strikes.... how is horn gonna cut him

SWIBC · 03-15-2006, 09:34 AM

He was cut in both fights with Franklin, a few well placed strikes and Tanner will be cut again.
I did not say Horn would cut him but Tanner is not that far from being busted up by "The Crow". It will be a great fight.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-15-2006, 09:41 AM

your missing the point... richs punches and the crows elbows will bust up ANYONE in the world... horn does not have CLOSE to that power even though he is an ok striker... tanner is getting a very unfair rap as someone who cuts easily, look who cut him!

two_guns_blazing · 03-15-2006, 10:42 AM

Looking forward to this. I think it's been mentioned that the winner of this may be next in line for Franklin whenever he gets back. But I'm just not sure I want to see Franklin/Tanner III, so for that reason I may be pulling for Horn. Although I really don't give Horn much of a chance against Franklin either.

angryjonny · 03-15-2006, 11:18 AM

Horn could open Tanner up just as easily as Rich and David did. Saying that he can't just because he's not as good as striker doesn't make sense. I hope that is not the case though. I don't know who to pick in this one wouldn't be upset if either won but I'd have to go with Tanner because I think he is going to be really hungry and probably thinks he can't afford to lose another one.

Jras0001 · 03-15-2006, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Horn could open Tanner up just as easily as Rich and David did. Saying that he can't just because he's not as good as striker doesn't make sense. I hope that is not the case though. I don't know who to pick in this one wouldn't be upset if either won but I'd have to go with Tanner because I think he is going to be really hungry and probably thinks he can't afford to lose another one.

i agree. if someone is prone to cuts due to scar tissue around the eyes, almost anyone could cut them. just because horn isnt known as a striker, it doesnt mean he couldnt cut evan open. look how easily mir was cut by cruz...just goes to show it can happen.

that being said, i think tanner will take the fight with horn. hell, he was winning against the crow up till he got hit with the elbow and they stopped it.....

tanner is one tough SOB. his loses are due to one ref stoppage and two cuts. in both of the cases where he was cut, he took some shots and didnt get ko'd....

jetmechG550 · 03-15-2006, 12:38 PM

I didn't think Horn looked that great against Trevor Prangley back at UFC56 Granted it wasn't too long after Chuck beat the snot out of him.

Master Jones · 03-15-2006, 12:40 PM

I hope Tanner wins this fight. I don't want to see him leave to another organization.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-15-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

Horn could open Tanner up just as easily as Rich and David did. Saying that he can't just because he's not as good as striker doesn't make sense. I hope that is not the case though. I don't know who to pick in this one wouldn't be upset if either won but I'd have to go with Tanner because I think he is going to be really hungry and probably thinks he can't afford to lose another one.

alright man thats about enough with you.... you dont make sense and im getting sick of you responding to only my posts in a constantly negative way, i have several years experience in fighting, do you?, and have watched the ufc since ufc 1... i know you study up plenty on all the websites, but experiencing all this, and reading it on the internet are 2 very different things i promise...
but to help you out,

the better striker you are, the easier you open up someone... the crow and rich are the best, ....horn rarely cuts anyone and will need a miracle to cut tanner... tanner is tough as nails and has been opened up by the 2 best strikers in the MW division (not even by baroni)... and yes, the harder you hit does make a HUGE difference....

angryjonny · 03-15-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

alright man thats about enough with you.... you dont make sense and im getting sick of you responding to only my posts in a constantly negative way, i have several years experience in fighting, do you?, and have watched the ufc since ufc 1... i know you study up plenty on all the websites, but experiencing all this, and reading it on the internet are 2 very different things i promise...
but to help you out,

the better striker you are, the easier you open up someone... the crow and rich are the best, ....horn rarely cuts anyone and will need a miracle to cut tanner... tanner is tough as nails and has been opened up by the 2 best strikers in the MW division (not even by baroni)... and yes, the harder you hit does make a HUGE difference....

Whoa. What's the deal? Where did this rant come from? Why are you talking to me like your my father. I don't make sense because I said that it isn't impossible for Tanner to not get opened by a cut. I don't care about what you have done and what you've seen. Kenny Florian is a crappy striker and he opened up two cuts on two different strikers, so that kind of throws your theory out. Or maybe I just don't know it but Kenny may just be a world class striker since he couldn't do that otherwise, right? Don't try to talk down to me just because I disagree with what you say. That's pretty childish.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-15-2006, 05:41 PM

citations citations... im sure you have a library of sources that can prove my theory wrong... also please use pe de pano vs mir because theres another one.. but in general horn doesnt open up people, and in general tanner has only been cut by the 2 hardest strickers in MW.... so i would say cuts will not be close to as big an issue as everyone says

angryjonny · 03-15-2006, 05:49 PM

Mir was already referenced earlier. I was saying that it isn't impossible for Horn to open someone up because you think he's an ok striker. Like myself and others pointed out all it takes is a well placed strike and the fight can be over and cuts are always an issue for anyone especially when someone is coming off two back to back cut stoppages. Don't know why you are getting all upset about this.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-15-2006, 05:56 PM

no you had said "horn could open up tanner just as easily as crow and rich"
im saying thats alot less likely because hes less of a striker.....
its like saying carlos newton can open up a fighter just as good as GSP or riggs... yes anyone can open up anyone with a well placed strike, but the odds of it are alot less...
go tanner!!! id like to say by GnP but itll prolly be by decision

PghPens71 · 03-15-2006, 06:12 PM

I'm so pumped to see Tanner back... I'll be taping this 1.. taping over the Crow fight in the process.
As far as Prangley, I thought he had Horn beat myself... oh well. This one should be good and it will be as long as Tanner pulls it out....
And he shall... GnP styyyyyyle.

angryjonny · 03-15-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

no you had said "horn could open up tanner just as easily as crow and rich"
im saying thats alot less likely because hes less of a striker.....
its like saying carlos newton can open up a fighter just as good as GSP or riggs... yes anyone can open up anyone with a well placed strike, but the odds of it are alot less...
go tanner!!! id like to say by GnP but itll prolly be by decision

Yes I did say that, and that's what I meant. I don't think any differently regardless of what you say.

But I will also say go Tanner!

Jras0001 · 03-15-2006, 06:43 PM

its true that the more youre cut open, the more prone to cuts you become. take a look at don frye or oleg taktrov. hell, you could slap one of them and open a cut up. the more scar tissue you have on a boney surface, such as the brow of the eyes or forehead, the easier it is to be cut open. that in turn makes it easier for people of lesser striking ability to cut you.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-15-2006, 07:01 PM

good point, lucky for tanner hes only been cut seriously a couple times in his whole career