Mark Kerr vs Wes Sims at ACF 2 Exodus

SeikanJudanski · 05-06-2006, 08:16 PM

Spoilers anyone? Is the Smashing Mashine back? Was this even broadcasted? Is it being broadcasted? Anybody? somebody? pleeeeeeeeaaasssse.

angryjonny · 05-06-2006, 08:32 PM

Starts in 30 minutes and will be broadcast on HDNet.

LuvMyCRX® · 05-06-2006, 11:21 PM

I dont have HDNet. Who will replace Kerr?

SeikanJudanski · 05-07-2006, 12:18 AM

Why replace? Didn´t he fight?

sitnspin · 05-07-2006, 08:04 AM

No. They announced at the last minute that he had an injured hand and couldn't fight. So they handed the title over to Wes Simms, who seemed annoyed that he wasn't going to fight Kerr.

What's BS is that Kerr did the weigh-in the day before, and nothing was mentioned about the injury. You'd think maybe he could have been fine then and had every intention of fighting, but he weighed in in jeans and a t-shirt. Doesn't that seem strange?

My assumption is that the promoter knew Kerr wasn't fighting, but he kept it quiet and made him do the weigh in to maximize ticket sales (which ended up being lower than expected). Shady.

rapidresults · 05-07-2006, 09:57 AM

man thats weak!!! You are right sitnspin thats really shady

SeikanJudanski · 05-07-2006, 08:30 PM

Is it me, or has Kerr aged badly since his last fight.

SeikanJudanski · 05-08-2006, 09:46 AM

From MMAWeekly

Mark Kerr was scheduled to return to MMA this past weekend at the ACF show in Denver, Colorado. Kerr was supposed to headline the event, facing Wes Sims for the vacant ACF Heavyweight Title, in what would have been Kerr's first MMA fight since 2004 and just his second MMA fight since 2001.

Instead, Kerr informed the promoters during the second fight of the evening that he wouldn't be fighting. Why?

Kerr claimed that he had a broken hand, which is something that the ACF said was not brought to their attention until after the event was underway. Kerr apparently made the ACF aware earlier in the week that he had suffered a minor hand injury, but he reassured them at the time that it was "no big deal" and that he had fought on numerous occasions in the past with minor injuries.

Kerr showed up for weigh-ins on Friday night with tape on a couple of his fingers, but did not complain about his hand at all. Kerr weighed-in as scheduled and didn't remove his shirt during the entire weigh-in process. Kerr weighed 222 pounds, which is far less than he weighed for his previous MMA fights.

On Saturday, the day of the event, Kerr arrived late to the venue. He showed up with his cornermen and his own doctor, and initially said that he was ready to fight. There are conflicting reports regarding what led to Kerr's final decision to pull out of the fight.

In addition to Kerr's own doctor that he brought with him, there were two official doctors in attendance at the event. Kerr informed the promoters after the event had started that he couldn't fight. The event had already started, and it was during the second fight of the card that Kerr told the promoters he wouldn't be able to fight.

Early into the show, the ring announcer started to announce that the main event was off, but that was stopped by ACF officials. Instead, the CEO of the ACF, Rico Vecc, went into the ring with Mark Kerr and Wes Sims, and Kerr announced to the crowd that he would be unable to fight.

Kerr told the crowd that he had injured his hand and had attempted unsuccessfully to get clearance from three different doctors, even though the two doctors from the ACF were never asked to examine Kerr's hand.

After Kerr made his announcement to the crowd, Sims started firing verbal arrows at Kerr. As Kerr simply stared back, Sims taunted Kerr by saying things like, "This is the end of The Smashing Machine, just not the way I wanted."

There are reports that Kerr's initial medical check showed some minor concern for his injured hand, but still concluded that he could fight if he wanted to fight; and that the decision on whether or not to fight was ultimately left up to Kerr; and that he evidently went back and forth on that decision. But in the end, Kerr made the announcement in the ring that he wouldn't be fighting because he couldn't get medical clearance on his injured hand.

Wes Sims doesn't buy that. "He changed his mind three different times during the event," Sims told MMAWeekly on Sunday night. "He said he was going to fight, then he chickened out. I trained for three months for this fight. Everyone is banged up. He could have fought, but right before fight time he pussed out."

Phones calls to Mark Kerr were not returned to MMAWeekly as of Sunday night. Kerr was apparently given his pay for the ACF fight before the event took place, and it's unknown what his future might hold.

Sims told MMAWeekly that Kerr has signed with the IFL to be one of their coaches, and also mentioned that Kerr actually asked Sims to be on his IFL team. Sims said that after the events of this weekend, there is "no way in hell" he would ever fight for a guy like Kerr.

Sims wants to clear the air on exactly what happened backstage and will do so today on MMAWeekly Radio with Ryan Bennett and Frank Trigg at 9am Pacific/12 noon on mmaweeklyradio

Ok, preety strange turn of events, but what the F is wrong with Sims? He is half the man Kerr ever was, he needs to STFU.

SWIBC · 05-08-2006, 10:45 AM

Sounds like a clear case of breach of contract on Kerr's part.
As for Sims, he is an a$$ pure and simple, what has he ever done other than being a punching bag for other fighters.

angryjonny · 05-08-2006, 11:47 AM

I'm really disappointed by all of this crap. I don't even know what to say. As for Sims can you blame the dude for being upset? He trained his ass off for this fight and like an hour before it's about to start it's called off. Not something I'd be real happy about.

SeikanJudanski · 05-08-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

I'm really disappointed by all of this crap. I don't even know what to say. As for Sims can you blame the dude for being upset? He trained his ass off for this fight and like an hour before it's about to start it's called off. Not something I'd be real happy about.

That´s not the point, Kerr offered Sims to come to the IFL, Sims is acting like Kerr is the biggest D*** in MMA. So what if he called off a fight, both of them got paid, Sims got the title, move on. No need to start degrading Kerr as if he is a scumbag.

angryjonny · 05-08-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SeikanJudanski

That´s not the point, Kerr offered Sims to come to the IFL, Sims is acting like Kerr is the biggest D*** in MMA. So what if he called off a fight, both of them got paid, Sims got the title, move on. No need to start degrading Kerr as if he is a scumbag.

That is the point though. He's upset because Kerr called off the fight and he was ready to go. The ACF doctors said that Mark would have been able to fight but Mark's doctor he brought insisted that he couldn't. Wes was on with Bennett and Trigg and he said that he "want to keep bashing Mark Kerr" and he just said he doesn't want to be on his IFL team. So what? He said today "would you want a guy like that leading the pack?" I can't disagree with him. Kerr obviously still has mental and emotional problems. I am upset about him pulling out of the fight, but I'm not trying to say he's a scumbag but I don't blame Wes at all for not being a happy camper.

Dek · 05-08-2006, 03:17 PM

just something about sims i dont like. and kerr looks ill man big time!!!!!

mepersoner · 05-08-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SWIBC

Sounds like a clear case of breach of contract on Kerr's part.
As for Sims, he is an a$$ pure and simple, what has he ever done other than being a punching bag for other fighters.

It's not breach of contract if the doctors won't let you fight.

sitnspin · 05-08-2006, 04:13 PM

I don't know if you've been following this story, but what I'm piecing together is that the doctors cleared Kerr to fight, he got this injury a week before the fight and yet he continued to train, and the only doctor who told the ACF that Kerr shouldn't fight was one that he brought with him. The ACF says two doctors cleared him and the final say was Kerr's when he backed out.

angryjonny · 05-08-2006, 04:27 PM

Plus Kerr was paid before the fight and was taken care of very well by the ACF guys. Which I'm sure ACF learned their lesson on that one but seriously who would have thought Mark Kerr would do something like this. I'm still stunned. This is not a typical "he had to back out" or something like that because of injuries. He said at the weighin that he was good to go and when he showed up at the event he said it as well then changed his mind when the second fight was going on.

sitnspin · 05-08-2006, 04:55 PM

Right. I've always respected Mark Kerr as a legend of the sport who's had a lot of problems and a troubled life, so I don't want to bash him. But I think he was afraid to fight Wes Sims (for whatever reason -- the physical danger, the loss on his record, the further damage to his public image, etc), and did what he could to get out of it.

mepersoner · 05-08-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

I don't know if you've been following this story, but what I'm piecing together is that the doctors cleared Kerr to fight, he got this injury a week before the fight and yet he continued to train, and the only doctor who told the ACF that Kerr shouldn't fight was one that he brought with him. The ACF says two doctors cleared him and the final say was Kerr's when he backed out.

The two ACF doctors did not clear him, the ACF didn't allow the doctors to look at him. Kerr brought a doctor with him to say he couldn't fight, then rather than ask the two doctors at hand as Kerr volunteered, they took him directly to the ring to make the announcement.

sitnspin · 05-08-2006, 05:39 PM

Isn't it funny how we're hearing very different versions of the story? Over on the Underground, people are posting and asking questions and Cindy Ortiz has shared a lot of info as someone who's been in contact with a number of the people involved. I'm reading stuff that absolutely contradicts what you're saying. It's the internet, right? People post stuff and claim it's fact, and I have to decide whether or not I believe it. To really know the story, I'd need Mark Kerr, the ACF brass, all the doctors involved, copies of the contracts and medical records, and a lie detector. I have a feeling I'm never going to be able to arrange all that.

angryjonny · 05-08-2006, 05:45 PM

So why did he say at the weighins that he was ready to fight and why did he wait til the second fight was underway to decide that he wasn't ready to fight. If the injury was over a week ago did he aggrevate it sometime after weighins to fight night? Sorry none of that makes sense except the only story which is the one I actually don't want to believe and wish wasn't true.