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Barry Bonds: Steroids and Home Run Record
Barring some bizarre twist of fate, Barry Bonds will break Henry Aaron's all time Home Run record. A record many though, would never be broken. Bonds currently has 754 home runs. He needs one to tie, and two to have the record all to himself. This should be a glorious time for baseball, but with all the steroid talk surrounding the situation, some people are having problems rooting for Bonds to break the record. I cant say Barry Bonds has taken steroids for sure because I just dont know. I am not sure how I feel when he does break the record. What do you all think of the situation?
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08-01-2007, 02:43 PM
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The only reason I'm not that furious over him breaking the record is the fact that A-Rod and Albert Pujols have good chances to break Barry's record once it is set. And to date both of them are clean.
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08-01-2007, 02:44 PM
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The only reason I'm not that furious over him breaking the record is the fact that A-Rod and Albert Pujols have good chances to break Barry's record once it is set. And to date both of them are clean.
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08-01-2007, 02:47 PM
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I hope lightning strikes him down when he goes to break the record.
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Pujols only has 273 home runs. He is only 27, but still it is a little too early to say he is going to have a good chance to break it. A-Rod has 499 home runs and is only 32. As long as he keeps hitting home runs like his is, and stays healthy, by his late 30's he will be up there.
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I hope lightning strikes him down when he goes to break the record.
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I sometimes hope for the same thing.
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08-01-2007, 03:20 PM
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I sometimes hope for the same thing.
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Agreed!
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08-01-2007, 04:07 PM
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I'm trying to save judgement until I know for sure that he has used steroids but I still hold 4324242 x more respect for Hank Aaron because I can say without a doubt that he was clean when he did it.
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How can you not judge Bonds for being on HGH, I mean, a 40ish year old man who has went up in HAT SIZES when the head usually stops growing by late teen years.
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08-01-2007, 05:48 PM
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Hell Yeah I'm from St.Louis and theres not a better hitter in the league and its awesome to see him hit from the box seats on the third base line.As far as Bonds i'm kinda torn i've been a fan of his since his days in Pittsburgh but after all this steroid stuff I don't really know what to think.I guess I don't care either way 
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I'm trying to save judgement until I know for sure that he has used steroids but I still hold 4324242 x more respect for Hank Aaron because I can say without a doubt that he was clean when he did it.
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Yeah same here. I mean just look at the Babe. The only help he had was beer and hotdogs.
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Yeah same here. I mean just look at the Babe. The only help he had was beer and hotdogs.
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The Babe played in a segregated league. Bonds is an amazing player period.
600 plus stolen bases, 8 gold gloves, obp and sluging % is off the charts, I could go on and on. I am a huge MLB fan and am not a hypocritical wagon jumper. The league was in big trouble after the strike year and it did not care what it took to get back. Pitchers were juicing first and hitters had to catch up. The league allowed players to take speed of all kinds for over 30 years, what about that ? Would we see all the base stealing and day after day performanences with out that stuff ? I do not know, I love the game and do not care. I am a huge SF Giants fan, and Bonds is the best. I don't care what team he is on, he is the best. Any true and non-hypocritical fan knows this to be true.
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if he juiced the record does not count, in my opinion hank still holds the record no matter what bonds does
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bonds is a great hitter... itll be cool to be around to see 756! im sure itll get plenty of press, but will be fun to see
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The homerun record in baseball is arguably the most covetted and most prestigious individual sports record someone can hold. I am a baseball fan and there is no doubt that Bonds is / was a talented player. However, that being said, I think that he has disgraced the sport and that it would be a tarnished record should / when he hits two more homeruns.
I have utterly no respect for him at all as a player anymore. Not only has he constantly denied that he ever took steroids, he continues to persue the games most lofty record. I think it will be a sad day when someone who is known to have cheated by using performance enhancing drugs is allowed to obtain and keep such a prized record as the MLB All Time Home Run Record.
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The homerun record in baseball is arguably the most covetted and most prestigious individual sports record someone can hold. I am a baseball fan and there is no doubt that Bonds is / was a talented player. However, that being said, I think that he has disgraced the sport and that it would be a tarnished record should / when he hits two more homeruns.
I have utterly no respect for him at all as a player anymore. Not only has he constantly denied that he ever took steroids, he continues to persue the games most lofty record. I think it will be a sad day when someone who is known to have cheated by using performance enhancing drugs is allowed to obtain and keep such a prized record as the MLB All Time Home Run Record.
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i think alot of people share your viewpoint.... regardless i think its still very hard to hit 754 homeruns no matter what you are taking
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The homerun record in baseball is arguably the most covetted and most prestigious individual sports record someone can hold. I am a baseball fan and there is no doubt that Bonds is / was a talented player. However, that being said, I think that he has disgraced the sport and that it would be a tarnished record should / when he hits two more homeruns.
I have utterly no respect for him at all as a player anymore. Not only has he constantly denied that he ever took steroids, he continues to persue the games most lofty record. I think it will be a sad day when someone who is known to have cheated by using performance enhancing drugs is allowed to obtain and keep such a prized record as the MLB All Time Home Run Record.
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What do you think of Clemmons or Schiling, lots of talk about them too. Just like Barry, no positive tests for a banned substance, ( ie; banned )
Roger and Curt look massive compared to 12 or 13 years ago. Let me say it again, pitchers were jucing first, it is well known.
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What do you think of Clemmons or Schiling, lots of talk about them too. Just like Barry, no positive tests for a banned substance, ( ie; banned )
Roger and Curt look massive compared to 12 or 13 years ago. Let me say it again, pitchers were jucing first, it is well known.
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I some what agree with you. However, I believe Bonds has admitted to taking HGH unknowingly.
There is no comparison between a Roger Clemens ten years ago to now, to a Barry Bonds ten years ago to now by size.
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i think alot of people share your viewpoint.... regardless i think its still very hard to hit 754 homeruns no matter what you are taking
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Yes, I agree that its hard for maybe me or you or ordinary people to hit 754 homeruns. However, Bonds is a superior athlete or he wouldnt have ever made it to the major leagues. He already had the hand-eye coordination and the ability to hit a baseball that was thrown by a major league pitcher over the fence.
With him taking steroids and HGH, how many of those home runs would have stayed inside instead of going over the fence? He gained strength and it boosted his performance and I have no doubt that it contributed to him hitting more home runs than he would have otherwise.
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What do you think of Clemmons or Schiling, lots of talk about them too. Just like Barry, no positive tests for a banned substance, ( ie; banned )
Roger and Curt look massive compared to 12 or 13 years ago. Let me say it again, pitchers were jucing first, it is well known.
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I think they are good and talented pitchers. If they were / are taking performance enchancing drugs, like Barry Bonds, then I would have as little respect for them as I do for Bonds. Also, look at a pic of Bonds 12 years ago and compare it to a recent picture. The man has almost doubled in size and his head is noticably bigger. He was a scrawny rookie when he first started playing and stayed that way for a while and then almost between seasons, he ballooned up in size and has stayed that way since.
The same for Jose Canseco (spelling) and Mark McQuire. McQuire looked a step away from a pro body builder. His arms were enourmous as well as his entire torso. He used to be pretty slim as well.
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Barring some bizarre twist of fate, Barry Bonds will break Henry Aaron's all time Home Run record. A record many though, would never be broken. Bonds currently has 754 home runs. He needs one to tie, and two to have the record all to himself. This should be a glorious time for baseball, but with all the steroid talk surrounding the situation, some people are having problems rooting for Bonds to break the record. I cant say Barry Bonds has taken steroids for sure because I just dont know. I am not sure how I feel when he does break the record. What do you all think of the situation?
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I don't have any problem with him breaking it at all. If he uses I don't care really. To me the record still wasn't broken like Aaron did. The fact that he used/uses deminishes his achievement and puts not danger to Aarons record IMHO.
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i think alot of people share your viewpoint.... regardless i think its still very hard to hit 754 homeruns no matter what you are taking
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I agree that hitting 750+ homeruns is hard to do. Not your average joe can do it, BUT many ball players have the skill to hit say 30+ homers a year. Now how many of the miss home runs by say 10-20ft? Roids don't help you hit the baseball, but if you already know how it hit It helps you hit it further thus equaling more homeruns. Look at a guy like A-Rod, the guy is 32 with almost 500 homeruns, imagaine if he had been on the jucie since day one, you got to think he'd have about 100+ more homeruns already. Roids turn a 35 homerun a year hitter into a 50+ home run hitter a year. Not litterally obviously but you get my point. Roids=Cheating, if Barry breaks the record with out getting caught on them so be it, shame on the MLB for not having stricker testing. All in all Barry won't have that record forever, I just hope the next guy to come close is clean.
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