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Old 11-21-2007, 01:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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the cop was totally right.....the guy was an ass

he got caught speeding big deal...listen to the cop or get tazed,idiot


cops put up with bs all day then when people break the law they complain...but when they want a cop they want him/her there instantly...

lesson learned ...fight the ticket in court not with the cop on the street...
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The cop was definitely in the right here. You don't just start walking away from a cop if he tells you to do something. Like ram said, fight the ticket in court, not on the street.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm with you guys. Just do what you are told.
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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"OFFICER I REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING!"

Tasering your ass son. Lol. That video cracked me up, that dude deserved it. He should of tasered that chick too.
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The guy shouldve signed the ticket and again debate the ticket in court.

I"m an IAD detective and if this was across my desk as a complaint, I'd question the officer about his level of force. He went from verbal right up to tazer a little too quickly in my opinion. I'd ask why he didnt use control redirection first (Hands on). The guy wasnt IMO threatening physically and I debate why the officer tazed the guy right off. But.. The officer made the decision he made and the guy seemed ok, so I guess it flies.

The officer did use his verbal commands well. His officer saftey sucks ****. He's leaning into the car, turning his back to the guy as he asks him to come out, etc.

The officer couldve handled this better with more command presence, but overall I think the officer was in the right. His lack of command presence is why this went haywire.

I don't think this is a bad officer. He seemed very professional, but a little too soft. He needed to be more commanding again in the stop and given little to no outs for the idiot behind the wheel who thought he was a badass. I dont care what officer it is. But there is effective presence that many officers of all shapes and sizes use that will make even the toughest, meanest of the bunch curl up. If done correctly.

--BTW, this looks like an academy training video, so is this a real video?
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
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ROOSEVELT — A Utah Highway Patrol trooper's conduct during a Sept. 14 traffic stop in Uintah County is being called into question after a video of the stop was posted on the Internet.

The video, filmed from the dashboard camera of UHP trooper John Gardner's car, shows the trooper pulling over 28-year-old Jared Massey on U.S. 40 west of Vernal for allegedly speeding in a construction zone.

It was posted on the YouTube Web site on Monday.

UHP officials were unsure Tuesday how the tape became public. Massey could have filed an open records request for the tape or his attorney could have asked for it as part of filing a lawsuit, said UHP spokesman Cameron Roden.

The nearly 10-minute video clip, which has drawn nothing but negative comments toward the trooper on YouTube, shows Gardner approaching Massey's SUV and asking for his driver's license and registration. Massey asks how fast he was going, which prompts Gardner to repeat his request.

"I need your driver's license and registration — right now," the trooper says.

Massey continues to question Gardner about the posted speed limit and how fast he was going but hands over his papers. The trooper walks back to his car.

Gardner returns to the SUV and tells Massey he's being cited for speeding. On the video, Massey can be heard refusing to sign the ticket and demanding that the trooper take him back and show him the 40 mph speed limit sign.

"What you're going to do — if you're giving me a ticket — in the first place, you're going to tell me why ... " Massey says.

"For speeding," the trooper interjects.

" ... and second of all we're going to go look for that 40 mph sign," Massey says.

"Well you're going to sign this first," Gardner says.

"No I am not. I'm not signing anything." Massey says.

Gardner tells Massey to "hop out of the car," then walks back to the hood of his patrol car, setting down his ticket book. Massey is close behind the trooper pointing toward the 40 mph speed limit sign he'd passed just before being pulled over.

"Turn around. Put your hands behind your back," Gardner says. He repeats the command a second time as he draws his Taser and takes a step back.

The trooper points the Taser at Massey who stares incredulously at him.

"What the hell is wrong with you?" Massey asks.

Gardner repeats the command to "turn around" two more times as Massey, with part of his right hand in his pants pocket, starts to walk back toward his SUV.

"What the heck's wrong with you?" Massey can be heard asking as Gardner fires his Taser into Massey's back. Immobilized by the weapon's 50,000 volts, Massey falls backward, striking his head on the highway. The impact caused a cut on Massey's scalp.

Massey's wife Lauren, who was seven months pregnant at the time, gets out of the SUV screaming and is ordered to get back in the vehicle or risk being arrested. Gardner handcuffs Massey and leaves him on the side of the highway while he goes to talk to Massey's wife.

"He's fine. I Tasered him because he did not follow my instructions," Gardner explains to the audibly upset woman.

"You had no right to do that!" she responds. "You had no right to do that!"

While Gardner is still talking to Lauren Massey, her husband gets to his feet and approaches the trooper from behind. Gardner takes the handcuffed man back toward his patrol car and again orders Lauren Massey to stay in her vehicle or risk being arrested.

"Officer you're a little bit excited. You need to calm yourself down," Jared Massey tells Gardner before being put into the trooper's patrol car where he continues to demand an explanation for his arrest.

When a backup officer arrives on the scene and asks Gardner what happened he tells them Massey "took a ride with the Taser."

"Oh, how was it?" the unidentified officer asks.

"Painful, isn't it?" Gardner responds.

A UHP spokesman said late Tuesday afternoon that the agency was not yet ready to issue a statement on the video.

Roden said an investigation into the trooper's conduct was being expedited. Officials hope to have it completed by early next week, he said.

Gardner had not been suspended Tuesday and was working his usual shifts.

UHP policy says one of three situations can warrant Taser deployment, according to Roden. First, a person could be threatening himself, others or an officer; second, the use of more force would endanger people; or third, other means of control have proved insufficient.

The Masseys declined a request Tuesday for an interview until they could speak with their attorney. Jared Massey is still fighting the speeding charge in Uintah County Justice Court. A trial is set for Jan. 12.

By late Tuesday, no civil complaints against Gardner or highway patrol had been filed.

Deseret Morning News | Trooper's Taser use pops up on YouTube
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The Cop has no commanding presence as krav said. And he busted out that taser way to quickly in my opinion. Why couldn't he just tell him how fast he was going? All the times I've been in a car that had been pulled over they have told the person.
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Old 11-21-2007, 08:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The "I'm better than you so I can dictate this situation" refused to sign the ticket. This is cause for immediate arrest in most states. He refused to follow lawful commands to allow restraints to be applied for the arrest, and held his hand in his pocket while walking away from the officer and refusing to follow orders. Sure, the trooper could have fought with him in to traffic, but used the taser instead. Give the man a raise for doing his job. Sure, he could have been more friendly, but he's not out there to make buddies. Do what your told, fight the smart fight (if you were right anyway).
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They should have showed more of the wife
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Old 11-22-2007, 08:26 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The cop jumped levels in the use of force continuum. But all circumstances considered, the cop was right in what he did. He was alone in the road, he didn't know what the second person in the car had as far as weapons. His level of security was rightfully hightened.

Yes it could have been handled better and with more safety in mind. The driver knew what he did, he was just giving the cop a hard time.
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