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Old 05-09-2008, 12:52 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Friend of mine Emailed me this interesting Congressional Research Service thing on MIlitary Casualties the last 20 years.

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U.S. Military Deaths Since 1980 - Netlore Archive

Funny that the debunker at the bottom of the articles numbers are still relatively the same as the one who p osted the numbers. Not much of a debunk IMO
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Old 05-09-2008, 01:05 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Think Progress » McCain Stays Silent On Hagee’s Homophobic Slurs

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Old 05-09-2008, 01:32 PM   #43 (permalink)
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The civilized world have turned a blind eye to many of the world's problems, yes. Especially that farce of an organization called the United Nations whose drones sit in a semi-circle producing nothing more than an open statement condemning ruthless actions around the world. The burden often falls upon the philanthropy of the United States in times of crisis and great need. People around the world desire our help while remaining very cynical and hostile towards us. Our contributions to the global society are overshadowed by Iraq. The United States leads the world in development assistance. To say all of that is done with self interest is naive.

As much good or evil we do people still want us to action taken in the most publicized dilemmas around the world. But the fragility of these events are overlooked.
-Hugo Chavez is backing Columbian rebels to overthrow their government. Do we put sanctions on them which would stop them from selling us oil adding to our energy crisis? Do nothing and let the onslaught continue?

-The Burma cyclone death toll could reach half a million. However most of the aid is being seized by their own government. Do we send in a military force to ensure the people are being aided? Keep negotiating while people die?

-Then there is Tibet. I have never heard a solution from all the people who scream about the injustices there. Do we really want to go head to head with China? It's so easy to demand action while holding a 'free tibet' sign made of products from China.

-Same goes with Darfur. Only force would stop those people, and only a permanent presence would keep it from happening again.

So when you say we shouldn't be in Iraq, we should be doing this or that, ask yourself if it would mirror what is happening right now. And if we still wouldn't be viewed as the big bullies of the world.
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Friend of mine Emailed me this interesting Congressional Research Service thing on MIlitary Casualties the last 20 years.

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U.S. Military Deaths Since 1980 - Netlore Archive

Funny that the debunker at the bottom of the articles numbers are still relatively the same as the one who p osted the numbers. Not much of a debunk IMO
Not a debunk huh?
So did you read this part?

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Moreover, of the 7,500 fatalities that occurred on Clinton's watch, only 76 were attributable to hostile action (as compared to 2,596 under Bush)
And of course, it's not only Americans dying in Iraq.
But do those count?

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Haha, angry grampa is such a hypocrite. And a sellout.
What's with the media's mancrush on the guy?
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The civilized world have turned a blind eye to many of the world's problems, yes. Especially that farce of an organization called the United Nations whose drones sit in a semi-circle producing nothing more than an open statement condemning ruthless actions around the world. The burden often falls upon the philanthropy of the United States in times of crisis and great need. People around the world desire our help while remaining very cynical and hostile towards us. Our contributions to the global society are overshadowed by Iraq. The United States leads the world in development assistance. To say all of that is done with self interest is naive.

As much good or evil we do people still want us to action taken in the most publicized dilemmas around the world. But the fragility of these events are overlooked.
-Hugo Chavez is backing Columbian rebels to overthrow their government. Do we put sanctions on them which would stop them from selling us oil adding to our energy crisis? Do nothing and let the onslaught continue?

-The Burma cyclone death toll could reach half a million. However most of the aid is being seized by their own government. Do we send in a military force to ensure the people are being aided? Keep negotiating while people die?

-Then there is Tibet. I have never heard a solution from all the people who scream about the injustices there. Do we really want to go head to head with China? It's so easy to demand action while holding a 'free tibet' sign made of products from China.

-Same goes with Darfur. Only force would stop those people, and only a permanent presence would keep it from happening again.

So when you say we shouldn't be in Iraq, we should be doing this or that, ask yourself if it would mirror what is happening right now. And if we still wouldn't be viewed as the big bullies of the world.
Dafur is an ongoing humanatarian crisis with international support, unlike the occupation of Iraq.

Tibet? China has detained the Panchen Lama and installed thier 'own' which circumvents the age old traditions and defiles a religion. Don't buy cheap chinese products to start with. Stop being a nation of consumer whores.

Burma? Again, humanatarian crisis, international support.. but we have turned a blind eye to them for so long while they mow down protesters and run a regime slightly better than the khemer rouge.

Columbia? Who cares. No matter what is done we will still have more money pouring in from the CIA and its always going to be nothing but a giant coca field.
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Not a debunk huh?
So did you read this part?



And of course, it's not only Americans dying in Iraq.
But do those count?



Haha, angry grampa is such a hypocrite. And a sellout.
What's with the media's mancrush on the guy?
No, the debunker is trying to make the arguement about what is attributable to hostile action or not, which is cute, but doesnt hold water with me. A military death is a military death, and this attitude that Bush with the Iraq war was so much worse than Clinton or even his dad/Reagan? Come on.

It's spin. Pure and simple. To favor a to the left argument for peace.
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