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Hold the champagne. Clinton vows to continue I assume she is thinking the super-delegates will give her the final push. No doubt she will be in financial turmoil though.
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McCain wins!
I can only assume that the exclamation point you added means you would be glad about this. Does that mean you support his claim of " I'll stay in Iraq for 100 years !" as well ? A good friend of mine from Montana took a bullet to the head over there a few months ago and left behind a wife and two little girls. Billions more to be spent on this war insted of eduction, do you feel safer ? I hope so..
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I can only assume that the exclamation point you added means you would be glad about this. Does that mean you support his claim of " I'll stay in Iraq for 100 years !" as well ? A good friend of mine from Montana took a bullet to the head over there a few months ago and left behind a wife and two little girls. Billions more to be spent on this war insted of eduction, do you feel safer ? I hope so..
OK so we know you don't like Mccain, and I'm sorry about your friend, but that's no reason to be mad at MTKrav cause he does like mcCain. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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I can only assume that the exclamation point you added means you would be glad about this. Does that mean you support his claim of " I'll stay in Iraq for 100 years !" as well ? A good friend of mine from Montana took a bullet to the head over there a few months ago and left behind a wife and two little girls. Billions more to be spent on this war insted of eduction, do you feel safer ? I hope so..
Yes, Yes, and Yes.
I believe a permanent force should stay in the middle east becaue those in the middle east are our most direct threat. We'll have first strike capability similar to that of the DMZ in KOrea which BTW, has kept the peace for 60+ years.
I do not subscribe to the medias rendition of events tacking place. They have an agenda.
I have 5 friends in the Marines, and war is tragic. I do not subscribe to this idea that you can fight wars without sacrifice, as tragic and painful as that may be. I also don't believe you should just cave in to popular public opinion.
We've forgotten about 9/11. I havent. And never will. I don't believe you can talk to these people. I dont believe we fought this for "Oil", although that is an obvious byproduct to get some wealthy oil tycoons richer. However, we are there. And are going to stay there. This is the message I agree with MCcain on. That we will never ever ever leave.
Demoralization of the enemy is key. Staying there will ensure that their efforts may never cease, but neither will ours.
I don't agree with everything that has transpired in IRaq, I do believe though that our presence there ensures massive cultural change in the middle east with the inevitable genetic manipulation that occurs in every war when soldiers of a foreign force mix with the female population of the land.
That's how you bring democracy. That's how it happened in many parts of Asia, that's how it's gonna happen in the Middle East. Half Western, Half Middle eastern children tot he tune of hundreds of thousands of new mixed families which will topple the Mullahs and radicals thinking. Not even their ideologies will be able to kill all the new ideas that will spring up.
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I do not believe that the daily life of the average citizen will change after this election, no matter who wins. People will cast thier votes and then wait on the decisions of the candidate while not changing how they live thier personal lives.
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Yes, Yes, and Yes.
I believe a permanent force should stay in the middle east becaue those in the middle east are our most direct threat. We'll have first strike capability similar to that of the DMZ in KOrea which BTW, has kept the peace for 60+ years.
I do not subscribe to the medias rendition of events tacking place. They have an agenda.
I have 5 friends in the Marines, and war is tragic. I do not subscribe to this idea that you can fight wars without sacrifice, as tragic and painful as that may be. I also don't believe you should just cave in to popular public opinion.
We've forgotten about 9/11. I havent. And never will. I don't believe you can talk to these people. I dont believe we fought this for "Oil", although that is an obvious byproduct to get some wealthy oil tycoons richer. However, we are there. And are going to stay there. This is the message I agree with MCcain on. That we will never ever ever leave.
Demoralization of the enemy is key. Staying there will ensure that their efforts may never cease, but neither will ours.
I don't agree with everything that has transpired in IRaq, I do believe though that our presence there ensures massive cultural change in the middle east with the inevitable genetic manipulation that occurs in every war when soldiers of a foreign force mix with the female population of the land.
That's how you bring democracy. That's how it happened in many parts of Asia, that's how it's gonna happen in the Middle East. Half Western, Half Middle eastern children tot he tune of hundreds of thousands of new mixed families which will topple the Mullahs and radicals thinking. Not even their ideologies will be able to kill all the new ideas that will spring up.
But that's just me.
Mixing of the soldiers with the female population didn't bring democracy to Vietnam, China has more to do with the peace being kept than the dmz does (the Korean War ended with a stalemate), and occupying a country for decades tends to end poorly for the occupiers which also leads to resentment by the population of said country.
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OK so we know you don't like Mccain, and I'm sorry about your friend, but that's no reason to be mad at MTKrav cause he does like mcCain. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Dude, I'm not mad at Krav, I like Krav and think he is one of the good posters. All I was asking him was if he thinks a permanent occupation is necessary. Obviously we disagree on this. The spending on this occupation is not even remotely conservative. When the Republican Gov. of California cuts education by 400 million !! Hmmm.. I asked a question and he answered it clearly and concisely, that's is all I'm looking for. I will say this, the spreading of Democracy is not happening and not why we are there. If you believe this, than why are we not in freaking Myanmar right now, or Tibet..
I love the U.S. and have worked for our National and local governments for many years, heck, I'm typing this on tax dollars right now !!
So my entitled opinion is that this occupation is going to ruin us, on many levels. Look up this quote , W said " We need to secure our oil " Where I live, regular gas is $ 4.30 a gallon. Good job W.. Democracy ?
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Technically right now OBama has it, because you only need 2025 delegates to win and Obama has 1800 with 252 Superdelegates pledged.
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Looks like Obama is it, which means
McCain wins!
Hillary supporters hate him so much and 44% of them said they will vote McCain if Obama gets the nod.
Plus he has no experience and won't win any debates vs a seasoned ex POW war hero experienced U.S. senator of 24 years.
I would like to see your source that says 44% of Hillary supporters will vote McCain over Obama.
Every donkey and half of the Elephants I've spoken to stated there is no way they would vote Republican in the forthcoming election.
If anything, Hillary backers would not vote at all.....and IF primary turnouts are any indication of the general election turnout, Democrats will out vote Republicans 2 to 1.
I also believe Obama will more than hold his own against McCain in the debates......Hillary and Edwards are much better speakers than Rudy and Romney. IMHO obviously.
Either way, this is definitely going to be an interesting race.
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I am one of the ones who would vote Republicant if Hillary won the dem nomination. She is very buddy buddy with China, and has called the Tamil Tigers 'freedom fighters' in the past.
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I would bet McCain is just going to keep the country on the current course it's on, and I can't see how that could possibly be a good thing. Krav, you mentioned 9/11 and how the Middle East is our biggest threat. The reason why people in the Middle East have a problem with us is because we're there. The DMZ in Korea is a bad example of what you're talking about too, because our presence there has caused many skirmishes which have almost led to all-out war.
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I would like to see your source that says 44% of Hillary supporters will vote McCain over Obama.
Every donkey and half of the Elephants I've spoken to stated there is no way they would vote Republican in the forthcoming election.
If anything, Hillary backers would not vote at all.....and IF primary turnouts are any indication of the general election turnout, Democrats will out vote Republicans 2 to 1.
I also believe Obama will more than hold his own against McCain in the debates......Hillary and Edwards are much better speakers than Rudy and Romney. IMHO obviously.
Either way, this is definitely going to be an interesting race.
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I would bet McCain is just going to keep the country on the current course it's on, and I can't see how that could possibly be a good thing. Krav, you mentioned 9/11 and how the Middle East is our biggest threat. The reason why people in the Middle East have a problem with us is because we're there. The DMZ in Korea is a bad example of what you're talking about too, because our presence there has caused many skirmishes which have almost led to all-out war.
YEah, but we weren't there prior to 9/11 is the biggest point I'm making. THe threat originated there, now we're there (rightfully or not I'm not arguing that), and we have to stay there until either they change, or we win.
I don't subscribe to the notion that Americans have to change our view of Radical Muslims. It's Radical Muslims that must change and become part of a peaceful society. I don't believe we're the bad guy just because we're there. Again, if you didnt want us there, then 9/11 should never have been executed.
I feel the real tragedy of all this, is again the Clinton Administration. I don't fault him for 911 directly. I fault his policies of not retaliating enough against Al Qaeda in the 90's. The first Trade CEnter Bombing in 93 and the USS Cole attack in 98. This sent a clear message that The U.S. won't retaliate. So AL Qaeda became bigger. Enough to execute 9/11.
Now they know not only will we retaliate? But we'll shut down your finances here by tearing up suspcious Muslim charities that laundered terrorist funds, etc. But, that we also will maintain a presence. Right in Mecca. And won't leave until it's time.
Mammoth, I don't totally disagree wi th you, and know I'm a bit righty on my military viewpoints anyway. But I also am voting McCain becasue he's the only true moderate with a long history of voting both sides of the aisle. Sometimes(Many Times) to the furor of the very Right Neo Con Republicans who I hope all basically die.
I'm willing to give teh old man with Experience 4 years, rather than a kid with no experience.
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YEah, but we weren't there prior to 9/11 is the biggest point I'm making. THe threat originated there, now we're there (rightfully or not I'm not arguing that), and we have to stay there until either they change, or we win.
I don't subscribe to the notion that Americans have to change our view of Radical Muslims. It's Radical Muslims that must change and become part of a peaceful society. I don't believe we're the bad guy just because we're there. Again, if you didnt want us there, then 9/11 should never have been executed.
I feel the real tragedy of all this, is again the Clinton Administration. I don't fault him for 911 directly. I fault his policies of not retaliating enough against Al Qaeda in the 90's. The first Trade CEnter Bombing in 93 and the USS Cole attack in 98. This sent a clear message that The U.S. won't retaliate. So AL Qaeda became bigger. Enough to execute 9/11.
Now they know not only will we retaliate? But we'll shut down your finances here by tearing up suspcious Muslim charities that laundered terrorist funds, etc. But, that we also will maintain a presence. Right in Mecca. And won't leave until it's time.
Mammoth, I don't totally disagree wi th you, and know I'm a bit righty on my military viewpoints anyway. But I also am voting McCain becasue he's the only true moderate with a long history of voting both sides of the aisle. Sometimes(Many Times) to the furor of the very Right Neo Con Republicans who I hope all basically die.
I'm willing to give teh old man with Experience 4 years, rather than a kid with no experience.
The threat originated from there? Iraq?
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Again, if you didnt want us there, then 9/11 should never have been executed.
Are you serious?
I would understand a 7 year old (or maybe Dubya) saying something like that, but geez...
What does "win" even mean? How is that possible? You kill all the "terrorists"?
They're not gonna run out of those any time soon. I think the numbers are probably increasing tbh.
I'm sure the current administration would actually love having permanent bases in there, but I just can't see it happening. All this talk about "leaving would mean surrendering to terror" is so ridiculous. This fiasco will end the same way Vietnam did, whether you like it or not. It might take a couple of decades, but I'll be here to say "I told you so" when it does. If FF is still up running...
And if you want them to "change" it'll probably take longer than McCain's famous 100 years. Besides, keeping the troops there is unlikely to make that change happen any faster. Quite the opposite.
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Also, I don't get this "McCain is a moderate"-talk.
I think he probably used to be, but hasn't he given that all up in his desperate quest to become president?
Would some of you Repubs please explain to me what exactly makes him a moderate now?
To me he seems like an older, crankier version of Dubya at this point.
He offers 4 more years of Bush. Extending the tax cuts and continuing his economy, 100 years in Iraq, war with Iran, torture, pandering to the extreme religious right, no improvements in health care and whatnot.
And what the hell, he just might want to start a new cold war with Russia and China. It's not like he would have to suffer the consequences. Old, crazy bastard.
Barack better win this or I'm officially giving up on human race. And getting a vasectomy.
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