Rampage/Arona KO was not from slam. - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

fullonshred · 10-29-2007, 01:04 PM

Watched the "Best of Rampage on Pride" again last night. Noticed something I had missed every time before. Rampage did NOT knock out Arona with the Slam. Nope nope nope. He knocked him out with an unintentional HEAD BUTT as Arona's head bounce up off the canvas from the slam and 'Pages head was coming down from the inertia of the slam.

What clued me in was noticing that Jackson's head was cut and bleeding as he stood up after the Ref's stoppage. So I rew. and hit slo mo and it is clear that Arona's eyes were open until Page's head crashed into his on the rebound.

Not that it changes anything, but it was interesting to me how an MMA legend gets going and then is never corrected even with Videotape and slow motion review.

gazbrook · 10-29-2007, 01:08 PM

I spotted that and did the same thing,hit the rewind button. Rampage could just have easily knocked himself out with that.

AikaImmortal · 10-29-2007, 01:15 PM

Yup, Bas noticed it right away when it happened.

Gooner · 10-29-2007, 01:43 PM

There was definitely a headbutt there.

But how do you know what caused him getting knocked out?
Could be the slam, could be the headbutt, or the combo of the two. Who knows. Arona's eyes being open doesn't prove anything imo.

Regardless of that, one of the most spectacular finishes in MMA history.

fullonshred · 10-29-2007, 03:16 PM

I had never even heard Bas point it out. Guess I need to listen closer. My first clue was when I saw Rampage stand up with a cut and blood on his head. I am convinced the head butt did the lions share of the damage. Arona got his right arm out to cushion the slam a bit, and the Pride ring (i think) has a bit more "give" in it than the UFC cage. YMMV.

AikaImmortal · 10-29-2007, 03:23 PM

Yeah, the PRIDE ring definatally had alot more give in it.

SWIBC · 10-29-2007, 07:01 PM

yeah that was an amazing slam and Rampage actually came out the worse to wear, besides Arona, technically won the match minutes before when he heel KO'ed Rampage but the Ref ignored/missed it.

Shpongled · 10-29-2007, 07:08 PM

I'm pretty sure Rampage already had that cut before the slam. I think he got it when he was bringin' the ground and pound beforehand and Arona upkicked him really good in the head. If I recall, it actually rocked Rampage slightly, but not enough for him to lose position.

edit: swibc, I think we're talking about the same thing. I think that's where the cut came from.

Gooner · 10-29-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AikaImmortal

Yeah, the PRIDE ring definatally had alot more give in it.

That's what I used to think as well, but I remember Nick Diaz saying it was harder than the octagon, which made moving around easier... go figure.

As for the cut, it definitely came from the headbutt, not the upkick.
He didn't have the cut when he lifted him.

And as for Arona KO'ing Rampage... no no no.
I'm sure Arona would have actually gotten up if that was the case.
Instead he whined at the ref, while Rampage stayed on top, and eventually slammed him. Rampage was rocked, but a stoppage would have been ridiculous at that point.

Mulla · 10-30-2007, 08:36 AM

Yep, Rampage does some guest commentary later on at that event and clearly says his cut was from the headbutt.

Didnt Arona try and argue the fact that it was the headbutt that KO'd him? After the fight he's walking out from the ring shouting something angrily in Portuguese....

Crashsti · 10-30-2007, 11:17 AM

i remember this fight well. So the KO came from the headbutt, big deal. It was'nt intentional and besides, Arona can't prove that he did'nt get KO'd by the slam and was already out when his head clashed with Rampage's.

fullonshred · 10-30-2007, 03:29 PM

The video supports Arona if he says the headbutt rather than the slam caused the KO. But I wasn't trying to get the outcome of the fight reversed, just posting about something I had just noticed for the first time. It is interesting to me that these MMA Legends get built (like Rampages Deadly Slam) and that they persist even in light of video evidence to the contrary. It was an incredible slam, at any rate. Just not a KO slam.

dj_rizz · 10-30-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fullonshred

Watched the "Best of Rampage on Pride" again last night. Noticed something I had missed every time before. Rampage did NOT knock out Arona with the Slam. Nope nope nope. He knocked him out with an unintentional HEAD BUTT as Arona's head bounce up off the canvas from the slam and 'Pages head was coming down from the inertia of the slam.

What clued me in was noticing that Jackson's head was cut and bleeding as he stood up after the Ref's stoppage. So I rew. and hit slo mo and it is clear that Arona's eyes were open until Page's head crashed into his on the rebound.

Not that it changes anything, but it was interesting to me how an MMA legend gets going and then is never corrected even with Videotape and slow motion review.

Yup I noticed that too.. man they both got hurt in that fight .. what a great fight, and unexpected ending!