lwbfl

Please read the first part of the thread, this is going to be a boxing match, not MMA so he is in his element.

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SeikanJudanski

I can´t believe some people still believe in Mike Tyson´s invincibility myth. Guys, Fedor, Mirko, or possibly Ignashov would kill Tyson in a boxing match. Do you guys realize that Tyson´s prime was 15 years ago???? For God´s sake he lost to Kevin McBride by TKO in his last fight last year. KEVIN MCBRIDE!!!!!! You guys are placing the King of MMA (Fedor) or the best strikers in the world under KEVIN MCBRIDE?????????????????????????


If Kevin McBride can TKO Tyson, then Fedor can do it blind. Hell I say Belfort can beat him in a boxing match. As far as MMA is concerned, he doesn´t stand a chance.

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Elder

totally disagree. Boxing and MMA are two different realms of striking. Next you are going to be saying that just because Fedor is an excellent all around fighter, he can beat world champion boxers. Not trying to put words in your mouth but is do you believe that too? Sorry, thought I saw some other thread where you were saying Fedor could beat James Toney in a boxing match. There is a reason why there hasn't been a white heavyweight champion--it's called facial structure. Btw, I am white. Yeah Yeah, disagree if you want. Fedor is not a professional boxer. He is a very good MMA striker. Personally, I think Vitor would have a much better chance against Tyson than Fedor or Mirko would. And yes, I think Mcbride could even take his 33 win 28 by knockout record and knockout Fedor. MMA vs. Boxing in a boxing match.. Boxing will win. The last thing to fail a fighter is punching power. If you think Tyson doesn't still have that, then you are mistaken. It would only take one clean shot from Tyson and that wouldn't take long with a non-boxing opponent.

SmashingMachine

I think Fedor would beat Mike now in a striking match too. And, I think the Toney comments came off of him ragging on the fact that there will never be a white hw champ...I myself said put him in the ring with Fedor...but I was implying mma...still...I don't think Toney would fare well either way.

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GSPALLTHEWAY

mike tyson is ONLY fighting exhibition boxing matches... he will never come back to the ring for pro fights... his career is over.... he hasnt been the same for years now... however in his prime or close to it in a boxing match he would KO any mma fighter thats ever come about so far....
to talk about him fighting now against these guys is meaningless because A itll never happen and B hes way way past his prime... either way it was great to watch him fight 2 decades ago

SeikanJudanski

The only difference between boxing´s striking and MMA`s striking is the fact that lighter gloves are used in MMA and that MMA has a wider variety of strikes. A boxer is technically a better striker than a MMA fighter, since the MMA fighter has to train and master many moves, whereas the boxer trains for a limited amount of moves. Hence, the boxer is limited in what he can offer, but what he puts out there is striking in perfection. This doesn´t mean a MMA fighter can´t be a good boxer, if you have factual proof to the contrary please present it.

Im MMA lighter gloves are used, which is a punishement by Boxing standards, this is why you see so many fights finished off by strikes in MMA so quickly, on the other hand, in Boxing you need to go head to head for 12 rounds which is a war on its own.
Mike Tyson is not a world champion anymore, hasn´t been one since 1996 and those victories came at the hands of 3 worthless opponents. And he hasn´t been a real world champion since 1990. In a Pride ring, Fedor would beat Tyson with ease, in a Boxing ring I think he would beat him too and on the streets I think Tyson would get killed by Fedor.

See my response above

Yes, I actual do believe that. Are you going to tell me what I can and can´t believe?

There are 4 white heavyweight champions right now, what´s the point? Facial structure?? Are you kidding me? The facial structure is responsible for there not being a white HW champion? Ok, that was funny, but if you really want to look smart now and make it seem like you know what you are saying, please provide some medical proof, or at least some empirical studies.

Who cares if you are white. This is not about races, and yes I disagree with your facial structure theory.

Fedor is a champion. Fedor is probaly the best MMA fighter ever, now you are going to tell me a man of his talent couldn´t box? No, he is not a professional boxer, but he could be in an instance of a second depending of what contract and license he obtains. His career preference is in no way proof of how he would do as a boxer, I personally don´t see any reason why he couldn´t be an excellent boxer.

And why is that?

Ahh, a records man. No matter who he obtained those 33 wins from, it doesn´t matter eh? Important thing is he has 33 wins by 28 knockouts. I suggest you look at his record and name me ONE person he has knocked out with a reputation. Numbers are decieving my friend, and they don´t mean anything when it comes to stepping into the ring with a superior fighter.

Depends on the fighters, but on paper yes, probably right. However this wasn´t the issue, the issue was Mike Tyson. Not MMA vs Boxing in general.

I am sure he has some great punching power left, although when he caught Danny Williams with a clean shot which would have decapitated his opponents in the 80´s, Danny shook it off and TKO´ed Tyson in a very humiliating 4 rounds.

And of course it only takes one clean shot to knock somebody out, infact I have had discussion with people about how Mirko´s Jaw is NOT glass, just because he got knocked out with a clean shot by Randleman. A perfect placed punch will knock anybody out, but does that mean Tyson will deliver this punch in a fight? Fedor, Mirko or others won´t just stand there and wait for Tyson to throw that punch.

Forget Mike Tyson man, I was the biggest Tyson fan.. I paid 50 Dollars pro PPV to watch his fight in the 80´s and would have paid 100. I made excuses for him when he went to jail, I made excuses for him when Holyfield absolutely degraded him the first time. I made excuses for him when he bit Holyfield´s ear off, and I made excuses for him when he acted like a idiot at the press conference with Lewis. All my life we have made excuses for Tyson. It´s time to wake up people... The tyson which fought Williams and McBride, is not a champion and nothing worth mentioning, and if you really look at his career, you will see why he was so dominating for a short period. 1. Brute force, speed and strength, but 2. more importantly.. fear. The fear his opponents had in their eyes, when they were about to go into a fight with Iron Mike. Holyfield wasn´t scared, Lewis wasn´t scared, Botha wasn´t even scared. Williams and McBride sealed his faith, and proved the world once and for all, if you don´t fear Tyson, you will beat Tyson.

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GSPALLTHEWAY

yea well they didnt fear tyson because he was older and off his game... tyson anywhere close to his prime desinigrates fedor, crocop anyone else in the world in one flurry...
the days of tyson are over, but it sure was fun to watch

SeikanJudanski

Tyson in his prime was not undefeated. Buster Douglas out boxed him and knocked him out. I don´t know where this "anyone else in the world" is from. And about him being older and off his game, the Tyson that stepped into the ring with Holyfield was the same Tyson that went to jail 3-4 years earlier. Infact, after coming out of jail he brushed off McNeely, Seldon and Bruno.. as far has his "myth" was concerned, he was still the same Mike. The only difference was Holyfield was a caliber which Tyson never encountered before, the type that wasn´t scared, just like Buster Douglas wasn´t.

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Nimmy

what is it you americans say.. owned?

GSPALLTHEWAY

IN HIS PRIME.... please stop trying to talk to every post you reply too... and thanks for the tyson history lesson, ive actually seen every one of his fights many times... buster douglas started the downfall of mike tyson... it was a huge upset.. and since that fight tyson either fought easier opponents or didnt do well against the top flight guys like evander... and thus started to decline... so to talk about douglas or after has 0 to do with my point.
regardless, IN HIS PRIME, he would destroy fedor IN BOXING with a KO in i dont know, 40 seconds? definently within 2 rounds... being a big pride fan or not doesnt matter, in boxing in tysons prime it would be just an add on to his brutal highlight reel

SmashingMachine

I don't think so...I think it might go the other way. Trigg even said, on Pride on FSN, that Fedor beats Mike Tyson, in his prime, in 45 seconds. Besides, Tyson in his prime's not much better than he is today. He still never fought anybody with boxing skills that was in there prime.

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SeikanJudanski

Dude, Tyson DID fight Buster Douglas IN HIS PRIME. Thus, he got knocked out IN HIS PRIME. PRIME doesn´t mean the time period which one was undeafeated, Prime is the most active, thriving, or satisfying stage or period and that was clearly before Douglas and even the 4 fights he had after Douglas. If you are counting his fights before the Douglas fight as HIS PRIME, and then trying to make it look like all of the sudden HIS PRIME was over when he lost to Douglas, then you are trying to decieve yourself and everybody else. Tyson lost to Douglas at 24 years of age. So talking about Douglas has very much to do with your point, besides that, who cares who Tyson would have beat 20 years ago, this thread is about 2006 Tyson and also questions about him in a ring against MMA fighters. What Tyson did 20 years ago might have amazed everybody then, but this is now.

I also don´t agree with your 40 second theory, as if Tyson knocked every one of his opponents out. Even in his "prime" Tyson went the distance with a few fighters like Tilis, Tucker, Green or Smith. Stop making Tyson into somebody he never was.

Thank god this thread included the question of Tyson in MMA or whatever, or I would request this thread to be moved to the boxing forum. In any case, let´s look at your viscious Tyson. Let´s analyse him and what gave him this invincible aura. It is important to take into consideration who Tyson fought in his first 20 enounters.

Fight No.1 Hector Mercedes, this was Mercedes´s 2nd pro fight ever, he lost the first one.

Fight No.2 Trent Singleton, this was Trent´s 5th fight, he lost the first 3.

Fight No.3 Don Halpin, a fighter with a record of 9 wins and 18! losses.

Fight No.4 Ricardo Spain, this was Spain´s 2nd Professional fight.

Fight No.5 John Alderson, Alderson´s 4th Professional fight.

Fight No.6 Larry Sims, Sims had a record of 3 wins and 16!!! losses.

Fight No.7 Lorenzo Canady, Canady´s 4th Professional fight.

Fight No.8 Michael Johnson, a fighter who had already lost 5 of his 16 bouts.

Fight No.9 Donnie Long, 15-3, on paper Tyson´s strongest opponent to date.

Fight No.10 Robert Colay, at 8 wins and 5 losses again not a real opponent.

Fight No.11 Sterling Benjamin, with 3 wins and 6 losses, 33% win quote.

Fight No.12 Eddie Richardson, 11 wins and 2 losses, again on paper somebody strong.

Fight No.13 Conroy Nelson, 15 wins and 7 losses, again worthless.

Fight No.14 Sammy Scaff, 13 wins and 6 losses.

Fight No.15 Mark Young, 8 wins and 6 losses.

Fight No.16 David Jaco, 19 and 5 at least better than the last three.

Fight No.17 Mike Jameson, at 14 and 9!

Fight No.18 Jesse Ferguson, 14-1, Ferguson got disqualifed for holding.

Fight No.19 Steve Zouski, 26 wins and 9 losses.

Now.. these are his first 19 fights. It was THESE fights which gave Tyson the reputation he had, before he fought in his 20th fight against James Tilis. Tilis a fighter who had lost 8 fights in his career previous to Tyson, took Tyson to the scorecards.

So... Mike Tyson´s first 20 fights are worthless. Perfectly picked and chosen fighters, who made him look good and invincible, but not to take all credit from him, let´s look at who else he fought until the fight against Douglas.

Green, Ross, Hosea, Boyd, Ribalta and Ralif. These fights added to Tyson´s mythos, although none of the fighters were anything special. He even went the distance with Green, although he outclassed him by lengths.

Then come the championships against Berbick, Smith, Tucker. Fights against Thomas, a old holmes, biggs, tubbs and Spinks.

Spinks, Tucker and Biggs were the only fighters who were undeafeated going into the fights against Tyson. Of all the fighters, on paper, Tucker was most impressive, and Spinks was supposed to be his match. Spinks was a very light HW, who didn´t even attempt to throw a punch in his fight, got knocked out in 90 seconds.

He then continued to fight Bruno and Williams.. and then came Douglas.

We have to face the facts, Mike Tyson is a myth.. he made his reputation in his first 20 fights, fighting nobodies, his next 10 fights were against people who SAW his first 20 fights and got scared.

I give Tyson points for being the youngest champ ever, beating Tucker, Holmes, Spinks and Biggs along with his first fight againt Ruddock.

But is that enough? Why is it that the baddest dude on the planet on beat 5 guys worth mentioning? Ruddock lost his first fight against Tyson by TKO, but Ruddock came back in their second encounter to take it to the scorecards.

I was 14 years old when Tyson lost to Douglas, and my whole teenage life I thought of Tyson to be the greatest ever, and when he came out of Jail, I thought he would be the man again. At age 32, with fighting experience and more of an objective mind, I can see very clear that Tyson was a good fighter with a rock hard punch, who was faster than most of his opponents, but he never conquered a great fighter of the caliber of Holyfield or even Lewis. Larry Holmes said he laughed all the way to the bank after his loss, he would have been a great one, but was waaaay past his prime against Tyson.

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wgs2005

wouldnt suprise me to see tyson struggle now to a top mma striker in a boxing match, in the 80's he would destroy any mma fighter in boxing period. but he is gonna fight in pride by the looks of things and it does look like a boxing stly match, no chance he will be fighting fedor, prob butterbean i think.

GSPALLTHEWAY

i guess i think my opinion is just as valid as frank triggs.. i dont see what that matters at all...
and you dont think tyson in his prime was better then now?? really? its 2 completely opposite fighters in every way possible IMO....
i still think tyson KO in round 1... in an MMA fight fedor TKO in round 1 right away... and now? tyson would lose to everyone.. hes 40 and his skills deminished as soon as he lost to buster....

and while he was semi in his prime vs buster, that was the biggest upset in sports IMO... it was surreal watching tyson lose that.. no one is invincable though... however tyson (and fedor so far for that matter) disproved that for awhile

spiritofbattle

i cant wait to see tyson get desroyed.

Elder

There are 4 white heavyweight champions right now, what´s the point? Facial structure?? Are you kidding me? The facial structure is responsible for there not being a white HW champion? Ok, that was funny, but if you really want to look smart now and make it seem like you know what you are saying, please provide some medical proof, or at least some empirical studies.

Too funny.. Look at history. The chance of a true white HW is way in the past. If you think looking smart is sitting here on these forums every night blasting your opinion away and dissecting every post that everyone makes that you disagree with it.. then trust me i could do it to yours quite easily.. Fortunately I do have a life and other things to do.. In a sense I do agree with you about the fear factor of Tyson, but Fedor is a far cry from Lewis or even Douglas in a boxing match. I don't think Fedor would ever make a top level boxer.

Profane