MTKrav911

I don't like the term street-fighter.

I prefer the term, "Someone who knows how to fight".

Whether it be trained, not trained, or someone that can just fight.

History has proven time and again, people with years of training easily getting defeated in a fight by someone with little to no training. Why?

Because although trained, the person doesent know how to fight. He knows moves. And when moves fail (as they almost always do), they panic and get beaten. In other words, they don't know how to fight.

This is why for the most part it is my humble opinion that modern day traditional martial arts schools do an enormous dis-service to its students by training to technique and not training to real confrontational fighting situations. They dont train for fitness in many cases which is essential in a fight. They don't train to deal with panic which is also essential in a fight. They simply train "moves". They also don't train that the reality is real fights in real situations are dealing with a matter of seconds, not minutes.

That's just my opinion based on observation over the years and my last 7 years focussing on MMA training which opened a whole new world to me with my old TMA training.

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Kochman

progressive jiu jitsu covers realistic situations.... i don't know much more about it as i only took it for about a year but the teacher would always tell us that he will only show us stuff that will work....... the subs that we leared were quick and not needing much leverage, also he lives by " 80% of fights will end up on teh ground one way or another " he was more interested in showing how to get someone off of you then taking teh guy down in the first place, IMO this was a much more realistic training experience and i enjoyed it quite a bit...... problem was i moved a long distance away and i have never heard of anyone else teaching such a thing.

the reason why i think this was relevant is that when saying that being trained to fight is not being a true fighter, i agree that you need the instinct but there are always avenues available if someone wants to see how it really is with out resorting to picking a fight with some drunkin ******* at the local hotel. i have been in many many " street " fights and IMO this was about as realistic as it got cause as he was showing us stuff i could picture a time when i was either in that situation or had someone in it.

MTKrav911

This is also true.

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Markus

I agree with this 100%.
Fighters are simply born fighters, just as some people are naturally good at Football, Mathematics, IT, etc.
In my opinion a born fighter with training can become an awesome fighter but someone who is not born to be a fighter can spend ten years in a fight school and still get his head kicked in every Saturday night.

Crashsti

the term street fighter is very generic and can be applied to just about any thug who gets into brawls in bars and alleyways. its not a name i would want associated with me, even i were to fight in prearranged fights that were not sporting events. i have read some studies about the personalities that engage in streetfights and in most cases the people involved would'nt be considered productive citizens to society. alot of people like to think streetfights are mostly between two individuals who agree to fight. thats actually the exception as opposed to the rule. most streetfights involve a guy who has something to prove or set out to get into a fight with someone that they don't feel threatened by to get "respect". most streetfights last under a minute before someone is hurt or the fight is broken up. this in'st LionHeart with VanDamme. as for legitimate underground fighters like Kimbo, i am sure that he is'nt getting into fights "just because" he does it for money but is'nt good enough to fight in MMA.

MTKrav911

". most streetfights last under a minute before someone is hurt or the fight is broken up. this in'st LionHeart with VanDamme. as for legitimate underground fighters like Kimbo, i am sure that he is'nt getting into fights "just because" he does it for money but is'nt good enough to fight in MMA.[/quote]


Totally absolutely agree 100%

Although Lionheart was a great movie!

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Chris Mortimer

This is my opinion, and also that of the late great Bruce Lee, whom hated "Tradional Martial Arts" for this exact reason.

Alot of tradional martial arts training also teaches people to obey with the opponant when thier tring to pull off an attack or movement, which creates and unlikely movement being taught that cannot in a true reality be delivered.

Nimmy

iv had arguements with my father for ages about this, he maintains that guys he knows could knockout chuck lidell, although laughable, he holds these fighters in high regard, but the truth is chuck liddell has the tools to dispose of any street fighter. in my opinion "any" MMA trained fighter (when i say trained i mean at it for a long time) has a disinct advantage against most if not all street fighters.

why?

1. the average street fighter has a one dimesional game, puch and kick, he knows little of combinations, feetwork, ground game and wrestlign, this is why i would say with total confidance that if the trained fighter were in a streetfight and it hit the ground he would beat the untrained fighter with a simple choke or break his arm.

2. the average streetfighter has little to no cardio, if the fight lasts over 4 minutes the trained fighter would clean it up pretty effectivly.

3. although the streetfighter always has a punchers chance he knows little of defense, droppign hands, rolling into kicks and knees and clinch work would make for a nice day for the trained fighter.

although i agree that there are streetfighters who have had no training but know how to use these principles the average guy at your bar does not. Kimbo Slice has disinct stipulations on his fights, that prevent anything other than punching, he is essentially not a fighter but a barenuckle boxer. in the Sean Gannon fight the fight was stopped several times as gannon had him ina choke, and stopped for throwing clinched knees.

although Slice eventualy lost this fight after 10 minutes it could have easily been stopped in 2 if gannon was not limited to strikes.

FootStomp

From what i learned, streetfighters have nothing to be proud of because that way of live is surrounded by alcohalism, poverty and disease. Any teacher who sais they are a streetfighter is full of crap.

On the street its either kill or be killed. Nothing glamorous about that. MMA is a sport that should distance itself from the ravages of street fighting as much as possible. If you are a street fighter your average lifespan is 38 years old.