PRIDE vs UFC conspiracy theory - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

w0264007 · 03-15-2007, 12:36 AM

Ok. before you delete this thread or flame too bad, I just want you to know where I'm coming from with this.

PRIDE's parent company, DSE, is involved with Pro-wrestling shows in Japan. They have connections and business ties with WWE here in North America.

Lately, PRIDE has been in serious trouble financially, they've lost fighters in every weight class to the UFC. Mirko Fillipovic, Quinton Jackson, and Anderson Silva, to name a few key guys.

A. Silva is already the champ at 185, and Crocop is sure to follow at heavyweight. Some may argue that Liddell can beat Rampage inthe rematch, but with the way Shogun charmed the American crowd @ PRIDE 33, and how Dan Henderson has won titles in both weight classes, they're likely to be approached by the talent hungry UFC in the near future, and either could arguably take Liddell on a good night...

The way I see it, by year's end, former PRIDE talent will occupy at least 3 of the UFC's 4 belts by years end.

Now, what if PRIDE's wounded dog routine is just a work? And the fighters who are leaving for more money are secretly still working for PRIDE? The UFC champs will then all jump into the ring at Shockwave 2007 and Fedor will be forced to fight crocop, the UFC champion instead of his much anticipated fight against Dan Serevin, Arona (who I see claiming the vacant middleweight title once hendo "defects") will fight Hendo, Rua, or Jackson (whichever successfully stripped Liddell of his title), and Anderson will fight either Misaki or Fihlo, whoever holds the welterweight belt. Fedor beats Crocop, Hendo takes a dive against Arona, and Silva loses to filho.

By Jan. 1st 2008, PRIDE has put on the most spectacular show in MMA and has undisputed champs in 3/5 weight divisions before Zuffa knows what happened, and Dana White drowns himself in tears of his own failure.

You heard it here first. That's my call.

Dirty Fighter · 03-15-2007, 01:01 AM

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The way I see it, by year's end, former PRIDE talent will occupy at least 3 of the UFC's 4 belts by years end.

The UFC has 5 belts, not 4. As for the rest, what about the fact that Rampage's contract was purchased along with the WFA?

SeikanJudanski · 03-15-2007, 01:16 AM

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The UFC champs will then all jump into the ring at Shockwave 2007 and Fedor will be forced to fight crocop, the UFC champion instead of his much anticipated fight against Dan Serevin.

Much anticipated fight against Dan Severin...lol. That was a good one.

duke09 · 03-15-2007, 01:47 AM

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Much anticipated fight against Dan Severin...lol. That was a good one.

i thught he was refused a license to fight so tank abbott was given the nod

name goes here · 03-15-2007, 06:31 AM

I'd like to reply, in a flamy fashion, but I think this falls under 'UFC vs Pride'. Which tends to sherdog these boards.
Pride good
UFC good
Both good

w0264007 · 03-15-2007, 08:33 AM

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The UFC has 5 belts, not 4. As for the rest, what about the fact that Rampage's contract was purchased along with the WFA?

Ahh! Very true! Not all the fighters coming to the UFC are straight out of the PRIDE GP's:

A. Silva was Cage Rage champ before moving to the UFC. According to this conspiracy, his fight with Ryo Chonan was a work. Where was his striking? Besides, no one gets caught in a flying heel hook in a REAL fight!

And Rampage's beef with PRIDE? All part of the show. He chose WFA knowing that it would make the UFC want him EVEN more if he played hard to get. Eventually, the UFC chose to buy the entire organization just to get him. Boosting his skreet cred in the process.

I heart LNP · 03-15-2007, 09:51 AM

No, no, no, no and no to the entire theory. There is no way in hell that fighters would be so loyal to an organization that they would throw a fight, no matter how much money was being offered. Saying that guys like Silva and Hendo would throw a fight is just crazy.

Also Pride seems to be trying to get people to think that they are not in any trouble so I don't see how it is a "wounded dog routine".

MTKrav911 · 03-15-2007, 01:56 PM

I offer a counter conspiracy theory.

Money talks. Bull**** walks.

And right now anyway, the UFC has a lot of money. Contractually at this point, they're able to outbid even great organizations like Pride. Precisely what happened with Cro Cop. It was the money. It always is.

If Pride says 1 millon for Cro Cop and the UFC says 2 million for example, where are you going to go? NO matter how loyal? Of course the UFC with an almost automatic guarantee you'll fight right away for the belt.

It's all money at the end of the day. Plain and simple.

w0264007 · 03-15-2007, 02:27 PM

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No, no, no, no and no to the entire theory. There is no way in hell that fighters would be so loyal to an organization that they would throw a fight, no matter how much money was being offered. Saying that guys like Silva and Hendo would throw a fight is just crazy.

Also Pride seems to be trying to get people to think that they are not in any trouble so I don't see how it is a "wounded dog routine".

Its a VERY clever plot. Fighters DO throw fights: boxing is corrupt, and pro-wrestling (how DSE got its start, and what this theory uses as its foundation) takes it to a whole 'nother level.

It is possible that a fighter, for example, Silva, would allow Chonnan to defeat him in dramatic fashion in exchange for some return. Either a title shot down the road, or a chance to go to the UFC and be the champ here in America. And this is a CONSPIRACY theory. It would require all the fighters involved to be aware of what is happening from the start, and to follow their course precisely, and the draw of secret knowledge might appeal to some.

Money was mentioned as a factor in the UFC gaining many of PRIDE's contract fighters, but will "pride" in one's organization, and a preference for the ring over the cage moderate the factor of money? I think it will for some.

For Crocop, he will become famous in America, winning another world title belt, and will built up a rep as the toughest fighter in the world here in the states, and will then get another shot at Fedor. Isn't that worth a little extra money? What's more important? A little more money? Or knowing you are fighting the number 1 guy?

vegas mma · 03-15-2007, 03:43 PM

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Its a VERY clever plot. Fighters DO throw fights: boxing is corrupt, and pro-wrestling

are you really comparing PRO WRESTLING to real fighters.
pro wrestlers don't throw fights, holy crap. they are actors, that is all they are ACTORS.

saying that pro wrestlers throw fights is the dumbest thing i've read on this forum

w0264007 · 03-15-2007, 06:51 PM

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are you really comparing PRO WRESTLING to real fighters.
pro wrestlers don't throw fights, holy crap. they are actors, that is all they are ACTORS.

saying that pro wrestlers throw fights is the dumbest thing i've read on this forum

You suck at flaming.

I also said that boxers are notorious for throwing fights, and that given the proper motivation and DSE--who also run a pro wrestling organization, are capable of providing such motivation.

But to answer your question, I am comparing two promoters of pro wrestling, DSE and WWE and making predictions of future possible actions by the former based on pro wrestling drama.

Dirty Fighter · 03-15-2007, 06:53 PM

With both orgs. having suspected links to organized crime, I'd think you could come up with a better conspiracy theory.

vegas mma · 03-15-2007, 06:56 PM

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You suck at flaming.

I also said that boxers are notorious for throwing fights, and that given the proper motivation and DSE--who also run a pro wrestling organization, are capable of providing such motivation.

But to answer your question, I am comparing two promoters of pro wrestling, DSE and WWE and making predictions of future possible actions by the former based on pro wrestling drama.

first off i don't suck at flaming....
i choose not to on this board cause i like it better without flaming.
if this was another forum i would flame you so bad you would never show your face again....

w0264007 · 03-15-2007, 07:05 PM

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first off i don't suck at flaming....
i choose not to on this board cause i like it better without flaming.
if this was another forum i would flame you so bad you would never show your face again....

what's second off..?

w0264007 · 03-15-2007, 07:06 PM

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With both orgs. having suspected links to organized crime, I'd think you could come up with a better conspiracy theory.

more plausable, yes. more entertaining? not for me.

vegas mma · 03-15-2007, 07:09 PM

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what's second off..?

oh you didn't notice the "..." at the end. there is more then just a "second off"
the problem is i don't flame here

w0264007 · 03-15-2007, 07:45 PM

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oh you didn't notice the "..." at the end. there is more then just a "second off"
the problem is i don't flame here

So you weren't going to make a point--just flame me? Except you don't flame here.

I understand now.

vegas mma · 03-15-2007, 08:03 PM

i'll give you one more point (v-bookie point) then i have to leave
the point i was making is that i don't flame here.
good day sir...