Stout vs Fisher Comments, UFN 6/12 - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

Mutant · 06-13-2007, 08:57 AM

That was a great fight. Spencer Fisher set an amazing pace and his striking looked excellent. But one thing was just driving me crazy! Why the hell wasn't Fischer moving in for the kill to finish the fight? He must have rocked Stout a half a dozen times in that fight but he never went in for the kill. I understand he was respecting Stout's hands and didn't want to get caught by rushing in, but man. One time in the 3rd he completely buckled Stout and still backed up and let Stout recover. Fisher stuck to the same plan, that worked, but didn't allow him to finish the fight. He would go in and throw a beautiful combination and then cover up and back out...over and over...even when Stout was hurt. Am I crazy? Did anyone else notice this? Why do you think Fisher wouldn't go in for the kill when he had Stout hurt? Does this show that Fischer might lack that killer instinct that guys like Chuck have when they see their opponent hurt? Fisher's striking and mixing it up was great, but I think he showed a lack of instinct in finishing the fight when it was clear that he had Stout hurt/rocked mutltiple times throughout the fight. What do you guys think?

LinvilleGorge · 06-13-2007, 10:14 AM

Yeah, there were definitely a couple of opportunities for Spencer to put him away in the 3rd. I wanted him to win in dominating fashion, which he did, but it would've been nice to cap it off with a KO. But, ya gotta give Stout a lot of credit. He's got a great chin and he's a tough kid.

Mutant · 06-13-2007, 10:25 AM

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Yeah, there were definitely a couple of opportunities for Spencer to put him away in the 3rd. I wanted him to win in dominating fashion, which he did, but it would've been nice to cap it off with a KO. But, ya gotta give Stout a lot of credit. He's got a great chin and he's a tough kid.

Yeah, he has a Stout chin for sure.

I really wanted Fisher to win with a stoppage as well. I wonder if he just didn't recognize when he had Stout hurt in those exchanges, because during his interview he said he thought it was a draw.

sitnspin · 06-13-2007, 10:54 AM

Fisher's boxing was some of the best we've seen in the UFC. It's rare that Stout fights someone with faster hands, but he definitely did last night. Fisher's gameplan really frustrated Sam through all three rounds. Stout's got an amazing chin, yeah -- he took some big KO punches right on the button and managed to shake them off.

That's two great fights in a row from this pairing. Time for the rubber match.

LinvilleGorge · 06-13-2007, 12:19 PM

Oh, absolutely on the rubber match for sure! I'm still just kind of shocked at how Fisher picked Stout apart. Stout is a great kickboxer and probably one of the best 155# strikers around and Fisher completely tooled him. Fisher's corner kept wanting him to take the fight to the ground, but Fisher was having his way with Stout standing up. I'm sure they just wanted him to take it to the ground because they were wary of Stout's power and knew that Fisher would definitely have a big advantage on the ground. However, Fisher just went into that fight with his A+++ game, there was no way Stout was winning that fight no matter where the fight went. If this is a sign of things to come for Fisher, the LW division had better serve notice. The fighter I saw in the cage last night could give anyone problems.

HaVoK · 06-13-2007, 01:12 PM

That first round was one of the best rounds I've seen in MMA for awhile. Great fight and I hope down the road there is a 3rd fight.

Bomber · 06-13-2007, 02:41 PM

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If this is a sign of things to come for Fisher, the LW division had better serve notice. The fighter I saw in the cage last night could give anyone problems.

Fisher is a little better than Stout, but Florian just mauled Stout. He'd do the same to Fisher IMO. Franca knocked him out, Sherk and Stephenson would gnp him into the canvas, and Thomas has all the tools to beat him.

I don't see Fisher in the top 5. Plus there are the new guys coming up like Huerta, Edgar and Tavares. Those guys all have strong ground games, whereas Fisher is OK on the ground, but it's not his forte.

Gooner · 06-13-2007, 02:59 PM

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Fisher is a little better than Stout, but Florian just mauled Stout. He'd do the same to Fisher IMO. Franca knocked him out, Sherk and Stephenson would gnp him into the canvas, and Thomas has all the tools to beat him.

I don't see Fisher in the top 5. Plus there are the new guys coming up like Huerta, Edgar and Tavares. Those guys all have strong ground games, whereas Fisher is OK on the ground, but it's not his forte.

Agreed 100%.

If the Lauzon-Fisher fight is not happening, I'd actually like to see Kenflo against Fisher.

LinvilleGorge · 06-13-2007, 03:28 PM

Normally I'd agree, but I've just never seen Fisher anywhere near as sharp as he was last night. I'd love to see him vs. KenFlo. I'm not sure if Fisher is top 5 or not, but I do think he can give anyone of the top 5 a run for their money on any given night.

kane · 06-13-2007, 05:26 PM

fisher's standup really impressed me. Crisp clean, powerful combos with decent defense mixed with some good legkicks. Stout whole face impressed me. Guy kept getting hit but really didn't show that much damage considering how much he got hit. Great fight, much better than these highly hyped/anticipated matches that have been ending quickly we been getting latley.

Shpongled · 06-13-2007, 06:07 PM

Where did Stout's chin come from? I don't recall him ever having such a tough chin. He reminded me a little bit of a lightweight Cabbage out there!

Greenman · 06-13-2007, 06:43 PM

I loved that fight even though I am a Sam Stout fan. The King was awesome for sure and I can't wait to see a rubber match.

Some of the shots Stout took made most of the KO punches I have seen look like love taps. Talk about a tough guy to KTFO, best fight of the night for sure.

I hope Stout sticks with Couture another year and really learns some ground game, even though his take down defence was very very good last night.

Fight of the night for sure.

LinvilleGorge · 06-13-2007, 06:44 PM

I don't remember Stout ever showing an iron chin before either, but he has never been KO'd or TKO'd in 15 MMA fights including 2 against Spencer Fisher who has won by KO or TKO in 11 of 20 wins, so that has to say something. He ate some bombs last night. He got wobbled a few times, but to his credit, he never went down. I don't think there's any questions about his chin now! I mean, he ate what looked to me to be a good 15 - 20 potential KO punches last night.

Ztous · 06-13-2007, 07:56 PM

As far as the whole Spencer not finishing the fight, it seemed to me that he was a little afraid to take a big power shot from Stout so he tried not to commit to much. Stout never hit him with that many good clean shots and had Spencer pretty busted up. I think he did the right thing by picking him apart the way he did. Stout was a champion kickboxer for a reason so why risk getting your head taken off by being careless.

kane · 06-13-2007, 08:10 PM

this was my favorite fight of the yr. Stout landed some good leg kicks to the body. He really should have gone to the body more as spencer was blocking most of his head shots.

subgenius · 06-14-2007, 07:48 AM

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As far as the whole Spencer not finishing the fight, it seemed to me that he was a little afraid to take a big power shot from Stout so he tried not to commit to much. Stout never hit him with that many good clean shots and had Spencer pretty busted up. I think he did the right thing by picking him apart the way he did. Stout was a champion kickboxer for a reason so why risk getting your head taken off by being careless.

Yeah, I agree. The King did hesitate to take the fight to a stoppage. But, we have to recall that we are not in there in the octagon. I mean, Spencer felt Stout's chin through his fist and arms. Maybe hitting Stout was telling Fisher that this fight was not ending via a KO. Look what Scott Smith did when it looked like he was almost out of the fight. He threw a desperate KO punch to win the fight. Spencer might have felt that going for the kill would end in him getting caught with a counter KO. Stout's KB knowledge was a threat.

And, I agree that this was a great fight. With all the crazy upsets and other great fights, it is hard to say that this was the best fight of the year. But, I feel that it is top ten if not top five this year.

WarDawg · 06-14-2007, 09:16 AM

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Yeah, I agree. The King did hesitate to take the fight to a stoppage. But, we have to recall that we are not in there in the octagon. I mean, Spencer felt Stout's chin through his fist and arms. Maybe hitting Stout was telling Fisher that this fight was not ending via a KO. Look what Scott Smith did when it looked like he was almost out of the fight. He threw a desperate KO punch to win the fight. Spencer might have felt that going for the kill would end in him getting caught with a counter KO. Stout's KB knowledge was a threat.

And, I agree that this was a great fight. With all the crazy upsets and other great fights, it is hard to say that this was the best fight of the year. But, I feel that it is top ten if not top five this year.

Sub we don't agree much ...

But I agree with you 100% on this one.... WarDawg

LinvilleGorge · 06-14-2007, 11:31 AM

Speaking of Fisher, what was that intro song he used? That was awesome! When someone comes into the octagon with music like that, you know you're getting your ass whupped. He needs nothing to pump him up because the anticipation of kicking your ass is plenty for him!

kane · 06-14-2007, 11:44 AM

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Speaking of Fisher, what was that intro song he used? That was awesome! When someone comes into the octagon with music like that, you know you're getting your ass whupped. He needs nothing to pump him up because the anticipation of kicking your ass is plenty for him!

I believe it was the original badass johnny cash. I was diggin it, I'm still waiting for somebody to come out with iron maiden "duelist".

the chrorus goes something like this
"fight for your honor, fight for the splendor, fight for the glory, fight for the pleasure!"

LinvilleGorge · 06-14-2007, 12:00 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking it was Johnny Cash too, I'm just not familiar with that song. It was awesome!