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Rich was very close to tapping.. and on top of that.. he survived Okami's full mount in that third round and turned it around and got on top at the very end of the round.
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06-16-2007, 05:46 PM
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Forrest looked slightly better than before, which makes me think that the guy is actually improving. I have never liked his stand up much, but he looked more comfortable on his feet.
The Guida-Griffin fight has to be one of the best this year.
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06-16-2007, 05:54 PM
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Had to be the most boring ufc ever, Rich and Forrest were fighting on the defence the hole time, I'm glad they won but no excitement what so ever. This should have been free like the one in britain.
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06-16-2007, 07:16 PM
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Had to be the most boring ufc ever, Rich and Forrest were fighting on the defence the hole time, I'm glad they won but no excitement what so ever. This should have been free like the one in britain.
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I totally disagree about forrest fighting defencive. he pushed the action the entire fight he showed that his thai skills have greatly improved and he is more technical. Sure he couldve ended it early a few times but i think he wanted to give the irish fans a show.
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06-16-2007, 08:04 PM
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Couture's influence was very apparent in Forrest's style today. He fought a really smart, controlled fight and stuck to his game plan beautifully. But unlike Tim Sylvia's version of sticking to your game plan, it still involved constantly engaging his opponent. Forrest punched and kicked Sickdog constantly, but he wasn't overcommitting or staying in and throwing wild bombs. He was really tough to hit and frustrated his man through the whole fight, much like Couture did against Sylvia. It was a beautiful thing to watch and really showed that Forrest is learning and improving.
As for Guida-Griffin, I believe wholeheartedly that the Irish judges robbed Guida of a win that he deserved 100%.
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06-16-2007, 08:18 PM
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Couture's influence was very apparent in Forrest's style today. He fought a really smart, controlled fight and stuck to his game plan beautifully. But unlike Tim Sylvia's version of sticking to your game plan, it still involved constantly engaging his opponent. Forrest punched and kicked Sickdog constantly, but he wasn't overcommitting or staying in and throwing wild bombs. He was really tough to hit and frustrated his man through the whole fight, much like Couture did against Sylvia. It was a beautiful thing to watch and really showed that Forrest is learning and improving.
As for Guida-Griffin, I believe wholeheartedly that the Irish judges robbed Guida of a win that he deserved 100%.
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I have to agree with you on the Guida decision. I thought he did more than enough to pull that win. I really enjoyed seeing Forrest in his fight. He showed real concentration by sticking to his gameplan like he did and executed a very impressive and very effect strategy to basicly nullify his opponents striking. I think it was a very well fought match.
The Marcus Davis fight ended a lot like I thought it would. That guy has some impressive stand up skills along with very heavy hands. He's also shown that he's adept at the ground aspect of mma as well. I really look forward to seeing what he can do against a top tier opponent.
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06-16-2007, 10:14 PM
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I totally disagree about forrest fighting defencive. he pushed the action the entire fight he showed that his thai skills have greatly improved and he is more technical. Sure he couldve ended it early a few times but i think he wanted to give the irish fans a show.
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Id like to know what fight you were watching. All i saw was forrest throwing a few and then running away. He even said it himself at the end of the fight.
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06-16-2007, 10:17 PM
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Couture's influence was very apparent in Forrest's style today. He fought a really smart, controlled fight and stuck to his game plan beautifully. But unlike Tim Sylvia's version of sticking to your game plan, it still involved constantly engaging his opponent. Forrest punched and kicked Sickdog constantly, but he wasn't overcommitting or staying in and throwing wild bombs. He was really tough to hit and frustrated his man through the whole fight, much like Couture did against Sylvia. It was a beautiful thing to watch and really showed that Forrest is learning and improving.
As for Guida-Griffin, I believe wholeheartedly that the Irish judges robbed Guida of a win that he deserved 100%.
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I couldn't agree with you more about Guida-Griffin match. What fight were the judges watching? He was robbed.
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I think the Guida-Griffin fight was either a win for Griffin or a draw. The reason why people believe Guida won is because he ended up stronger, but the first round and the beginning of the third were clearly for Griffin. In addition, Griffin showcased his skills much better, landing more punches and looking much more resourceful on the ground. I think Guida has a great heart, and I love watching him fight. But he was playing off Griffin in this one and, thus, he lost in my opinion.
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06-17-2007, 12:58 AM
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No way did Griffin win that fight. It was a draw at BEST. 29-28 Guida imo.
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06-17-2007, 02:17 AM
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No way did Griffin win that fight. It was a draw at BEST. 29-28 Guida imo.
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Yeah Tyson got lucky there. I hope Clay got some money for fight of the night.
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06-17-2007, 02:26 AM
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Had to be the most boring ufc ever, Rich and Forrest were fighting on the defence the hole time, I'm glad they won but no excitement what so ever. This should have been free like the one in britain.
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Totally disagree, everyone i meant litterally everyone and any article you read, announcers anyone, has made it clear that okami was defending the whole time which is why rich could not effectivly engage with him becuase its hard to engage a guy who is only trying to defend.
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the kimora looked very deep for a while but he hung in there and turned out, okami only showed what he could do in the 3rd didnt even try a single takedown in rd 1 and 2.
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Were you actually watching the fight, okami went for two td's both i believe in round one and got stuffed, once he finally did take franklin down, which i think is partly because franklin was so aggravated that okami was refusing to engage with him what so ever, nothing but counter punching and falling back, the submission was nerve racking, but franklin overpowered him and even mounted him.
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06-17-2007, 10:00 AM
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Were you actually watching the fight, okami went for two td's both i believe in round one and got stuffed, once he finally did take franklin down, which i think is partly because franklin was so aggravated that okami was refusing to engage with him what so ever, nothing but counter punching and falling back, the submission was nerve racking, but franklin overpowered him and even mounted him.
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Funny enough i actually was watching the fight so cut the smart ass'd comments  he didn't try a single take down in rd 1 as they just had hooks on each other against the cage which rich engaged, and okami didn't once try to sweep or overpower him to the floor, they both stalled until split.
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06-17-2007, 11:13 AM
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Funny enough i actually was watching the fight so cut the smart ass'd comments  he didn't try a single take down in rd 1 as they just had hooks on each other against the cage which rich engaged, and okami didn't once try to sweep or overpower him to the floor, they both stalled until split.
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Well first ill never cut the smart ass comments, but thanks
Second ya you meant he didn't try any single or double leg td, but when there clinching he is trying to take him down, and they clinched often, franklin overpowered him in the clinch.
So i apologize for misunderstanding at first, but when they clinch okami is looking for a take down, but franklin kept reversing him.
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06-17-2007, 11:29 AM
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Well, well... Now it turns out Okami is not strong at all? Come on! Franklin did well in the clinch. Has has probably been working that position like a madman since Silva demolished him from it. However, when the fight went to the ground, Okami overpowered Franklin easily. He was able to twist his arms at will and to retain full guard for quite a while. If that is not overpowering your opponent I don't know what is. Just look at Franklin's face of concern at the end of the fight. He knew he very well could have lost it.
So, come on, let's try to be fair. Okami remains very likely the physically stronger 185 pounder in the UFC. Did you see him standing in front of Rich at the beginning of the fight? If Okami can improve his stand up and learn to pick up the pace of fights, the guy will be unbeatable.
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06-17-2007, 12:01 PM
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Well, well... Now it turns out Okami is not strong at all? Come on! Franklin did well in the clinch. Has has probably been working that position like a madman since Silva demolished him from it. However, when the fight went to the ground, Okami overpowered Franklin easily. He was able to twist his arms at will and to retain full guard for quite a while. If that is not overpowering your opponent I don't know what is. Just look at Franklin's face of concern at the end of the fight. He knew he very well could have lost it.
So, come on, let's try to be fair. Okami remains very likely the physically stronger 185 pounder in the UFC. Did you see him standing in front of Rich at the beginning of the fight? If Okami can improve his stand up and learn to pick up the pace of fights, the guy will be unbeatable.
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Yes and okami is taller, he is not wider then rich and it has been said all along.
Considering rich powered his way out of every submission and submission attempt, not to mention the mount and even mouting okami, that is also overpowering.
Rich even said in the interview, he started with the leg kicks in the second, becaue after clinching with okami, he was not as strong as his previous opponents made him out to be, video is on ufc if ya wanna watch it.
Not saying okami isn't strong, but i don't agree with the strongest, i would say him and franklin are pretty equal or franklin by a small amount.
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Well first ill never cut the smart ass comments, but thanks
Second ya you meant he didn't try any single or double leg td, but when there clinching he is trying to take him down, and they clinched often, franklin overpowered him in the clinch.
So i apologize for misunderstanding at first, but when they clinch okami is looking for a take down, but franklin kept reversing him.
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well ill just agree to disagree
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06-19-2007, 04:23 PM
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This was one of the most boring UFC events i've seen (and i've seen almost all of them). There were few good phases but nothing really turned me on.
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As for Guida-Griffin, I believe wholeheartedly that the Irish judges robbed Guida of a win that he deserved 100%.
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Only one of the judges were British and Im not even sure they were Irish...
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06-20-2007, 11:15 AM
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Hopefully we don't have to see Ramirez in the UFC anymore. Man, the guy was boring! 
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