Bisping vs Hamill: Who really won?

Goeth27 · 09-10-2007, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MillerLite

Does anyone know a link to a site where I can watch these fights, Bisping/Hamill, CC/Kongo, Rampage/Henderson ? Thanks.

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Jras0001 · 09-10-2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MillerLite

Does anyone know a link to a site where I can watch these fights, Bisping/Hamill, CC/Kongo, Rampage/Henderson ? Thanks.

You have been on the forum long enough to know that people who ask for links to fights that are still on the UFC website for sell will be banned. Consider this a final warning. If you need to, please re-read the forum rules. This sort of thing is taken very seriously here and will not be tolerated.

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This is also your only warning Goeth. If you post another link that has fights from recent events that are still on the website for sell, you will be permanantly banned. You have been here long enough to know this is not allowed on this site.

MillerLite · 09-10-2007, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

You have been on the forum long enough to know that people who ask for links to fights that are still on the UFC website for sell will be banned. Consider this a final warning. If you need to, please re-read the forum rules. This sort of thing is taken very seriously here and will not be tolerated.

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This is also your only warning Goeth. If you post another link that has fights from recent events that are still on the website for sell, you will be permanantly banned. You have been here long enough to know this is not allowed on this site.

I have been on this forum over a year now, I have done nothing wrong so far until earlier this evening - according to you Jras, that I have made an attempt of some sort to view and sell UFC video clips.. I do not know this rule before about for not to ask for fight clips from any link. I think you could approach me a bit lighter, not giving me a final warning for a first time doing something I was not aware of as wrong doing, that seems to be a bit extreme, instead you sent me a pm saying that this is a final warning and you will ban me if I ever do this again. If I had known this, and had asked for a fight link before, then this time (considered if this was a 2nd time of wrong doing) you could rightfully saying it is my final warning. If I was a mod, I would tell you that please read the rules so and so in section so and so, and do not attempt to ask for fight link again, the next time will result in a temporary ban, and the permanent ban, or something along that line. You seem to abuse your newly crowned mod power abit it seems. Please don't forget that you're talking to a matured mma fan, who never intend to do anything to harm FF in any way or form.

And as for a good hearted member like Goerth, who knows of a link trying to show me where to watch, you're warning him, about banning him too ??
Think about this, this is a free PPV, showing on cable accross the states, only I had to ask this one time because I cut off my cable to use extra monthy money to help out jobless people I know, is this something so evil that you can't deal with Jras ??

As a matter of fact, I will take this matter up to Guille and see what he will say, if you're man enough not to abuse your power and ban me before I could send an email to Guille tomorrow.

This is why I missed all the good mods before, like Exit34, Akaiimortal, Johnny, and now Bull and Gygax are not on that often anymore. People that cares about members and the community, not abusing power as mods, feeling like such a big man, tempting to ban anyone that cross the line unknowningly.
If I had know you are like this, I would have applied for mod, to help Guille make this site a better place, not to drive good members away.

Jras0001 · 09-10-2007, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MillerLite

I have been on this forum over a year now, I have done nothing wrong so far until earlier this evening - according to you Jras, that I have made an attempt of some sort to view and sell UFC video clips.. I do not know this rule before about for not to ask for fight clips from any link. I think you could approach me a bit lighter, not giving me a final warning for a first time doing something I was not aware of as wrong doing, that seems to be a bit extreme. If I had known this, and had asked for a fight link before, then this time (considered if this was a 2nd time of wrong doing) you could rightfully saying it is my final warning. If I was a mod, I would tell you that please read the rules so and so in section so and so, and do not attempt to ask for fight link again, the next time will result in a temporary ban, and the permanent ban, or something along that line. You seem to abuse your newly crowned mod power abit it seems. Please don't forget that you're talking to a matured mma fan, who never intend to do anything to harm FF in any way or form

And as for a good hearted member like Goerth, who knows of a link trying to show me where to watch, you're warning him, about banning him too ??
Think about this, this is a free PPV, showing on cable accross the states, only I had to ask this one time because I cut off my cable to use extra monthy money to help out jobless people I know, is this something so evil that you can't deal with Jras ??

As a matter of fact, I will take this matter up to Guille and see what he will say, if you're man enough not to abuse your power and ban me before I could send an email to Guille tomorrow.

This is why I missed all the good mods before, like Exit34, Akaiimortal, Johnny, and now Bull and Gygax are not on that often anymore. People that cares about members and the community, not abusing power as mods, feeling like such a big man, tempting to ban anyone that cross the line unknowningly.
If I had know you are like this, I would have applied for mod, to help Guille make this site a better place, not to drive good members away.

You can disagree with me all you like. The rule has been in place for a long time and its a rule that is meant to keep the site from being held liable for the distribution of copyrighted material. You can also think that Im abusing my power by giving you a warning...that is fine. Youre welcome to your opinion. The fact remains that other people have been banned without a warning for this same thing. I thought that, since you have been here for a while, that you deserved a warning and not a ban.

Like I said, you can disagree with what I wrote but the point is the same. The forum can not and does not allow people to post links up to fights from recent events or events still offering them for sell or copyrighted material. The reason is that the site itself could be held liable. I dont want to have to find another site that I love as much as this one because it got shut down for people asking for and giving out links to copyrighted material.

Im sorry if you disagree. As for your implication that I "abuse my mod privilages"...you couldnt be further from the truth. I have not banned a single member from the forums yet. Not one. Im sorry you got upset at getting a warning but thats what the warning system is for. To let you know that you did something that is against the rules and to not do it anymore.

All I can say is to take your complaint to Guile or another forum Admin if you feel that I have "abused my power" or that Im "driving away good members".

MillerLite · 09-10-2007, 04:15 AM

I never said I dissagree with the ruling, of what's best to keep this site going, without having to be held liable for distribution of copy right material.
I am saying that I did not know about this, and you could have approach me in a much more pleasing manner, letting me know that it is prohibited, and explain to me why so. Not by saying This Is My Final Warning, like I did this sort of thing intentionally, over and over, which is not true.
And you could have ease down on a good member like Goerth, who didn't know any better like myself. And here you are giving out banning final warning for a good member like Goerth himself ? This is not the right message you should send out to the community, telling them to not try to help out one another. I see you got a long way to live and learn in life my friend. It's not about giving out warning and bans, but to help out each other in need.

Jras0001 · 09-10-2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MillerLite

I never said I dissagree with the ruling, of what's best to keep this site going, without having to be held liable for distribution of copy right material.
I am saying that I did not know about this, and you could have approach me in a much more pleasing manner, letting me know that it is prohibited, and explain to me why so. Not by saying This Is My Final Warning, like I did this sort of thing intentionally, over and over, which is not true.
And you could have ease down on a good member like Goerth, who didn't know any better like myself. And here you are giving out banning final warning for a good member like Goerth himself ? This is not the right message you should send out to the community, telling them to not try to help out one another. I see you got a long way to live and learn in life my friend. It's not about giving out warning and bans, but to help out each other in need.

Your agurment that you and Goeth didnt know any better doesnt matter. You agree to the forum rules and that you will follow them when you create your account. If you didnt read the rules then that is on you, not me for trying to enforce them.

As for personally attacking my character....grow up. All I did was point out that you broke a rule, gave you a warning to not do it again. It was worded the way it was because it is a matter that is taken seriously and it will be enforced. I didnt want to see either of you banned so I stated it the way I did to ensure you got my point.

If you want to have your feelings hurt or be upset at me for pointing out the rules, then fine...have at it. Im not going to discuss this further with you. Ive given my reasons as to why you were warned and why it was stated the way it was. If you have a problem with that or with the forums rules, then take it to a forum admistrator and let them know you feel as if you've been treated unfairly.

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MillerLite · 09-10-2007, 04:25 AM

Jras, you're telling me to "grow up" ??

and "getting my feeling hurt" for doing something wrong that I was unaware of, while you're giving out final warning for 1st offense unknowningly ??

ok big man..

or should i say "newly mod power" ..

As I pointed out earlier, good mods like Exit34, Johnny, Akai, Bull, Gygax would never approach a good member the way you did. Nor tempting to ban a good hearted member like Goerth the way you did. You should take this matter as a learning lesson, and be a better mod in the future. Try to approach members in a better manner, not by "final warning" every 1st time they did something that's against the rules unknowningly.

Dirty Fighter · 09-10-2007, 09:20 AM

Wow. Millerlite, you need to ease up. Jras did you guys a favor by warning you. You guys were wrong, and not just a little. This is not like fighter or member bashing that just gets on peoples nerves and stirs up long pointless arguments. It is a liability issue where the site can run into some serious legal issues if this kind of behavior is allowed.

Jras has done a good job as far as I can see since being promoted to mod, and questioning his integrity is out of line.

Back on topic, though. I think Hamil won the fight, but nowere near as one sided as many seem to think. This one was almost as ugly as Tito/Rashad. Funny how two of the worst fights in recent memory against fighters who really aren't in contention for anything have sparked the most conversation.

BlingDogg · 09-10-2007, 09:39 AM

It's stated pretty clearly in the rules that posting links to UFC fights isn't tolerated. IMO all members have the responsibility to read the rules, and if they break any, especially a serious one like this, they deserve the warning or punishment. If you were aware of a rule or not doesn't matter since the rules are available at all times for everyone to read. Don't take it personally, Jras is just doing his job like a "good mod" should.

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Back on topic, though. I think Hamil won the fight, but nowere near as one sided as many seem to think. This one was almost as ugly as Tito/Rashad. Funny how two of the worst fights in recent memory against fighters who really aren't in contention for anything have sparked the most conversation.

I still thought it was a good fight. A lot of action back and forth, with both guys trying their hardest to win. It was kinda sloppy at times, I know, but was exciting IMO.

And you're right that the fight was close, even though Hamill did deserve the win. He was hit by a couple big shots by Bisping. But he still dominated him more. It is funny how much discussion this fight is getting compared to the Rampage/Henderson fight that was advertised as one of the biggest fights in mma history.

BispingKO · 09-10-2007, 11:52 AM

Back off topic.

Ban him Jras. You dont deserve this kind of stick from someone who is clearly not bothering to follow the rules.

*lol, and give me his points for being such a nice man once he is banned*

Goeth27 · 09-10-2007, 01:19 PM

Ya sorry didn't realize it applied towards free fights, at least to my knowledge they were free, I didn't bother to check UFC.tv to see if you have to pay to see them.

I'll just be sure to post even less so I don't get banned.

BTW Hamill should of won.

FightFan76 · 09-10-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurtis636

Takedowns may as well not even count if you don't advance your position or land strikes on the ground. This isn't wrestling, there aren't any top points.

Are you kidding me; I always thought that they put way too much emphasis on takedowns, but certaintly not in this case.....

Hamil took him down, did more damage, and controled him on his feet. I dont see how anyone would say did not win.....

MillerLite · 09-10-2007, 01:47 PM

Goeth27, sorry for getting you wrongfully involved in this matter. I appreciate a good guy like you bro. Keep treating people kindly, and you will succeed in life down the stretch.

alright everyone, back to topic if you would ----> Bisping vs Hamill : who really won.

BlingDogg · 09-10-2007, 02:14 PM

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Longtime MMA judge Jeff Mullen, one of the two officials who scored Saturday’s UFC 75 fight between Michael Bisping and Matt Hamill as a victory for the U.K fighter, says that the angle in which he was watched the fight played a major role in his final decision.

The Bisping-Hamill fight took place Saturday at the 02 Arena in London, England. The final verdict was a controversial split-decision victory for Bisping, “The Ultimate Fighter 3” light-heavyweight winner.

Mullen, who says he first started judging UFC contests in 1996 (and has been doing it twice as long as any other current judge), recently posted a message on The Underground Forum, where he’s been a member since 2001.

Mullen argues that he had a clear view of Bisping early in the second round — a view that the television camera and the UFC broadcasters didn’t have — and that the local fighter “was landing the jab again and again and not getting hit.” Additionally, he argues that Bipsing was “using an active guard trying to turn for armbars and sweeps” in the second round while Hamill was “doing very little on top.“

Both Jeff Mullen and Cecil Peoples scored the fight 29-28 (awarding Bisping the second and third rounds) while British judge Chris Watts gave all three rounds to Hamill.

In the end, it was a controversial split-decision for Bisping.

“By the way, Mario Yamasaki thought Bisping won rounds two and three,” Mullen wrote. “Mario was the ref and had a better view than any of us.

Because England has no athletic commission, the UFC was responsible for regulating the event. UFC Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Marc Ratner was charged with the tasks of drug testing the fighters and choosing officials — including Mullen — to judge Saturday’s fights.

Sure....

I still believe Hamill did more to win the fight. Mullen's just trying to cover his own ass.

xxzone · 09-10-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlingDogg

Sure....

I still believe Hamill did more to win the fight. Mullen's just trying to cover his own ass.

Yeah, that's it, we all had a bad angle....just STFU. I wanted an answer for this, but we all would have been better off if they would have all just shut the hell up and not said a word. (That's in response to the quote in your post, not your post bling

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Wrenny · 09-10-2007, 02:26 PM

Nothing but crap. Hammil won hands down. This just made me hate Bisping now. I used to like him a lot but his comments afterwards are horrible.

Hes going to realize how stupid he looks.

BlingDogg · 09-10-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xxzone

Yeah, that's it, we all had a bad angle....just STFU. I wanted an answer for this, but we all would have been better off if they would have all just shut the hell up and not said a word. (That's in response to the quote in your post, not your post bling )

yeah, I read your post a second time and figured that. it's all good

fullonshred · 09-10-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BlingDogg

yeah, I read your post a second time and figured that. it's all good

I had a better view than ANY of the judges - no CAGE between me and the fighters. Hamill blocked most of Bisquicks punches, and his own Jab found a home on the a-holes face. That's why he was cut under BOTH eyes. Or maybe blocked punches cause cuts in judge Dil-Holes guffa world!

Jras0001 · 09-10-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Goeth27

Ya sorry didn't realize it applied towards free fights, at least to my knowledge they were free, I didn't bother to check UFC.tv to see if you have to pay to see them.

I'll just be sure to post even less so I don't get banned.

BTW Hamill should of won.

The warnings had nothing to do with how much you guys post. Its a liability issue with the content of a post...just that simple. Im not trying to bust anyone's balls by pointing out the rules and insist they be followed.

I might point out that several accounts have been banned in the past for the exact same thing you received a warning for. I thought I was actually doing a good thing by trying to keep established members around and not getting them banned over something like this.

If you guys still disagree with the warnings or why they were issued, please feel free to address this with any of the Admins, as Im only a mod and have to follow their instructions and so forth.