Official Nog v.s. Sylvia thread

[shogun ninja]

Originally Posted by Malf

The fight was amazing, indeed.

I'm more concerned with 2 things. 1 - It's still an interim belt, why? 2 - Nog wants Randy. You think it's possible? Randy said that he only wants Fedor, but he's never fought Noguera. I think Nog would win, but who knows? Any thoughts?

Ya Big NOg wants to be "the man" and right now Randy holds the belt and he's the man. I think its possible. Randy will realize that a fight with Fedor is not gonna be possible. Don't think he can beat Fedor by the way and the only option left is to fight Big Nog at least i hope. I also would pick Nog on this one.

[subgenius]

Originally Posted by shogun ninja

Ya Big NOg wants to be "the man" and right now Randy holds the belt and he's the man. I think its possible. Randy will realize that a fight with Fedor is not gonna be possible. Don't think he can beat Fedor by the way and the only option left is to fight Big Nog at least i hope. I also would pick Nog on this one.

Also, Couture beat Napao and Napao beat Cro-Cop. If Couture beats Big Nog, than that might actually increase the chance of a fight between Fedor and Couture much later in the year. I mean, if anybody outranked Couture at HW, IMO, than it would be Big Nog. I was not so sure after the Nogueira-Herring match. But, I am now after Nogueira beat Sylvia. And, since Big Nogueira was the champion in PRIDE just before Fedor, it would be a serious challenge to Fedor if Couture beats Big Nog.

[Moonpie]

In the beginning of the match i thought that "what the hell is wrong with Big Nog? Why is he letting sylvia kick his ass?", but i knew that Nog had been there before: Taking punishment at first but then applying lightning fast submission. Nog's sub was beautiful to watch. I almost dropped a tear when sylvia tapped. It was great! Hopefully he fights Randy next. Hopefully..

[Toshinden]

At this point, it wouldn't prolong the effects of Randy's binding contract if he were to fight Nog, would it?

[SmashingMachine]

Originally Posted by subgenius

I will say this, among the PRIDE heavyweight fighters, Big Nog has done really well. He beat Heath Herring, again (3-0 for Big Nog against Herring). But, Nogueira had some troubles in his octagon debut. Herring almost won. Then, Nogueira beats Tim Sylvia and wins the HW title in what most will say was an impressive win (equal to what Couture did at the least against Sylvia).

But, I think that the bottom line now is that all of these guys are now UFC fighters. PRIDE Fighting is gone. As the months and years pass, the PRIDE fighters will have a lot of UFC fights.

I hardly think it was as impressive of a win as Randy's. Impressive, but till the point of the submission, Nog was getting thumped. Randy dominated Tim for five rounds. Dominated. I personally thought that was one of the most impressive wins I've seen in mma...given how Randy was such an underdog and how he dominated the fight standing and on the ground. Good points though.

[earvinarp]

Originally Posted by SmashingMachine

I hardly think it was as impressive of a win as Randy's. Impressive, but till the point of the submission Nog was getting thumped. Randy dominated Tim for five rounds. Dominated.

Nog was waiting for an opportunity to put Sylvia to sleep and he did. Randy was looking for a decision and never intended/could finish Sylvia. It is funny how the fans will criticize a fighter for a reason and praise another for the same reason.

[SmashingMachine]

Originally Posted by earvinarp

Nog was waiting for an opportunity to put Sylvia to sleep and he did. Randy was looking for a decision and never intended/could finish Sylvia. It is funny how the fans will criticize some fighters for a reason and praise other for the same reason.

I'm not criticizing anyone. I know Nog was waiting for the right moment, but he missed several attempts at getting Tim down and took a beating doing so. Randy punished Tim on the feet and the ground...just because he didn't finish him doesn't mean he wasn't trying to...doesn't take away from the beating he laid on Tim or how dominant he was.

[earvinarp]

Originally Posted by SmashingMachine

I'm not criticizing anyone. I know Nog was waiting for the right moment, but he missed several attempts at getting Tim down and took a beating doing so. Randy punished Tim on the feet and the ground...just because he didn't finish him...doesn't take away from the beating he laid on Tim or how dominant he was.

With all due respect, I believe you have to re-watch that fight between Randy and Sylvia. As far as the fighting goes it is far from exciting. The excitement comes mostly from the audience, as a veteran retired in his comeback was on his way to beating an injured giant.

If you prefer Randy's victory to Nog's, that's fine. But FF contributors will have to start seeing Sherk's decision victories in the same light as Randy's.

[SmashingMachine]

Originally Posted by earvinarp

With all due respect, I believe you have to re-watch that fight between Randy and Sylvia. As far as the fighting goes it is far from exciting. The excitement comes mostly from the audience, as a veteran retired in his comeback was on his way to beating an injured giant.

If you prefer Randy's victory to Nog's, that's fine. But FF contributors will have to start seeing Sherk's decision victories in the same light as Randy's.

With all due respect, I think we need to agree to disagree. I've watched the fight several times...and I've watched the Nog fight a couple of times. I thought Nog's win was impressive and I loved every minute of it. I don't think it was as impressive as Randy's. I get a sense of bitterness outta you toward Randy...don't know if I'm right for sure, but the Dude's a legend. He's been in as many or more epic battles/huge wins as Nog. I love Nog too, and I'm so glad he put Timmy to sleep...but I tell ya, I don't think Nog would've won that fight had it gone to the cards...evidenced by what we saw to that point. The finish was great, but that's about all Nog did to that point besides survive.

[earvinarp]

Originally Posted by SmashingMachine

With all due respect, I think we need to agree to disagree. I've watched the fight several times...and I've the Nog fight a couple of times. I thought Nog's win was impressive and I loved every minute of it. I don't think it was as impressive as Randy's. I get a sense of bitterness outta you toward Randy...don't know if I'm right for sure, but the Dude's a legend. He's been in as many or more epic battles/huge wins as Nog. I love Nog too, and I'm so glad he put Timmy to sleep...but I tell ya, I don't think Nog would've won that fight had it gone to the cards...evidenced by what we saw to that point. The finish was great, but that's about all Nog did to that point besides survive.

Just for the record, I don't have anything against Randy. I like the guy, even though I believe he has been ill-adviced of late. I will say though that sometimes I wish he were not so one-dimensional.

[SmashingMachine]

Originally Posted by earvinarp

Just for the record, I don't have anything against Randy. I like the guy, even though I believe he has been ill-adviced of late. I will say though that sometimes I wish he were not so one-dimensional.

Ok, good enuff...Peace.

[FightFan76]

Originally Posted by earvinarp

With all due respect, I believe you have to re-watch that fight between Randy and Sylvia. As far as the fighting goes it is far from exciting. The excitement comes mostly from the audience, as a veteran retired in his comeback was on his way to beating an injured giant.

If you prefer Randy's victory to Nog's, that's fine. But FF contributors will have to start seeing Sherk's decision victories in the same light as Randy's.

Here we go again, come on now earvinarp you normally have good post until you start that kind of talk.....

[Crazy]

Have nothing against Randy, but I have said all along that I never understood what was so much more fun with him then Tim Sylvia.
I think if you hate Tim for his style you kind of got to hate Randy for the same reason. I know many is not agreeing in that but I don`t care.


When it comes to giving out credit for the diffrent way Randy and Nog won I got to say there is 2 things that impressed me a lot with Nog`s win.
1.He could at the point he won not have gotten the fight without a sub/Ko the way i see it and he still pulled it off. Who else have done that with Sylvia?
This was the main reason for me to belive that Nog would not win this one.
Thanks for prooving me wrong Nog, Im full of respect for you.

2.To get so much beating and still be able to win is very hard.
Not many if anyone I seen before have that abillety.

3.Randy beating Sylvia in a match where everything is going his way.
That is skilled but still easyer then taking a beating for 2 and a 1/2 round before winning. Think about it, Randys first punch after 7 sek was god damn knock down punch. I have never seen him knocking down anyone before

Nog will never be nr. one without beating Fedor, at least not in my book.
Not after being dominated that way in 2 fights.

[shogun ninja]

[quote=Crazy;266454]Have nothing against Randy, but I have said all along that I never understood what was so much more fun with him then Tim Sylvia.
I think if you hate Tim for his style you kind of got to hate Randy for the same reason. I know many is not agreeing in that but I don`t care.


When it comes to giving out credit for the diffrent way Randy and Nog won I got to say there is 2 things that impressed me a lot with Nog`s win.
1.He could at the point he won not have gotten the fight without a sub/Ko the way i see it and he still pulled it off. Who else have done that with Sylvia?
This was the main reason for me to belive that Nog would not win this one.
Thanks for prooving me wrong Nog, Im full of respect for you.

2.To get so much beating and still be able to win is very hard.
Not many if anyone I seen before have that abillety.

3.Randy beating Sylvia in a match where everything is going his way.
That is skilled but still easyer then taking a beating for 2 and a 1/2 round before winning. Think about it, Randys first punch after 7 sek was god damn knock down punch. I have never seen him knocking down anyone before

Nog will never be nr. one without beating Fedor, at least not in my book.
Not after being dominated that way in 2 fights.[/QUOT

I agree and its too bad Fedor is not around but i guess he's right tho cuz there isnt anyone that can beat him now. He knows he can beat Randy so there is no point. Good for Nog tho, hes now the man to beat. I thik he will reign for a while.

[subgenius]

Originally Posted by shogun ninja

I agree and its too bad Fedor is not around but i guess he's right tho cuz there isnt anyone that can beat him now. He knows he can beat Randy so there is no point. Good for Nog tho, hes now the man to beat. I thik he will reign for a while.

And, the Patriots knew that they can beat the Giants.

Then came the actual game and the outcome was different.

Fedor can know that he can beat everybody, and he has come close to that, but he has never fought Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia, Napao, or Frank Mir. There are guys out there that Fedor has not fought. And, they can beat him. Nobody is unbeatable.

[SmashingMachine]

Originally Posted by Crazy

3.Randy beating Sylvia in a match where everything is going his way.
That is skilled but still easyer then taking a beating for 2 and a 1/2 round before winning.
.

So, in your eyes, Randy's win against Tim isn't as significant because he didn't go out and get beat on for 2 rounds before winning? That's kinda what I get out of that statement, am I right? If I am, that logic makes no sense to me. I mean, It is admirable that Nog hung around and pulled it off, but the mere fact that Randy destroyed Tim standing and on the ground makes it more of a dramatic win for me and even though he didn't finish Tim...I think it also says something because he laid the lumber to Tim for 5 full rounds. I've never seen Tim dominated like that before or since.

[Crazy]

Originally Posted by SmashingMachine

So, in your eyes, Randy's win against Tim isn't as significant because he didn't go out and get beat on for 2 rounds before winning? That's kinda what I get out of that statement, am I right? If I am, that logic makes no sense to me. I mean, It is admirable that Nog hung around and pulled it off, but the mere fact that Randy destroyed Tim standing and on the ground makes it more of a dramatic win for me and even though he didn't finish Tim...I think it also says something because he laid the lumber to Tim for 5 full rounds. I've never seen Tim dominated like that before or since.

Then read the whole thing again, im saying it takes something more then a man to come back after such a beating, I also added that Randy had everything going for himsellf in his match, 4-8 sek and a knock down from somone I never seen knock down anyone. It was his night......... not saying it was bad, but to win when it is not youre night like Nog did is for me huge!!!!!

[earvinarp]

This thread ha become about Randy vs Nog instead of Nog vs Sylvia.

We should probably ask Sylvia how he feels about it.

[SmashingMachine]

Originally Posted by Crazy

Then read the whole thing again, im saying it takes something more then a man to come back after such a beating, I also added that Randy had everything going for himsellf in his match, 4-8 sek and a knock down from somone I never seen knock down anyone. It was his night......... not saying it was bad, but to win when it is not youre night like Nog did is for me huge!!!!!

Well, I guess what I'm saying is I don't buy that it wasn't Nog's night...Tim was just better on the feet. Therefore, I'm implying that I think Randy is a more well rounded/multi-dimensional fighter who out skilled Tim in all areas and didn't win because everything was going his way...it was going his way because he outskilled Tim.

[Crazy]

Originally Posted by SmashingMachine