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earvinarp · 04-03-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LinvilleGorge

If that's the way you see it earvinarp, that's fine. I guess that's why Herb Dean warned Florian. Time to see Florian vs. BJ. Let's see him get that ass whupped!

This is just what I am talking about. Florian goes out and dominates a very good opponent and people are already saying that he will get his ass kicked by BJ. That's what I call BS.

If they fight, Florian will likely beat BJ too.

Flying Triangle Choke · 04-03-2008, 12:59 AM

*Watches and laughs as what's left of the Boetsch and Alexander bandwagons crash and go over the side of a cliff*

NateRupe · 04-03-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying Triangle Choke

*Watches and laughs as what's left of the Boetsch and Alexander bandwagons crash and go over the side of a cliff*

Lol, whenever people see Alexander they'll just think "Isn't that the guy that KO'd Jardine?"

LinvilleGorge · 04-03-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

Florian will likely beat BJ too.

riversideblues · 04-03-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

This is just what I am talking about. Florian goes out and dominates a very good opponent and people are already saying that he will get his ass kicked by BJ. That's what I call BS.

If they fight, Florian will likely beat BJ too.

No one will deny he could win, it's mma.

but likely?

BJ has better hands than kenny, as seen by the fact that he greatly outpointed everyone he's fought, including GSP, no question there
Plus he's got better BJJ than Florian, he's more flexible and way harder to take down.
Think about it like this, Sherk smashed Kenny and through him around like a rag doll, and Hughes had major problems taking BJ down until he broke his rib.

So seriously, I'd like to find out why you think this is likely by any means.

LinvilleGorge · 04-03-2008, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by NateRupe

Lol, whenever people see Alexander they'll just think "Isn't that the guy that KO'd Jardine?"

Pretty much. The guy has a glass chin. He's been wobbled in all his UFC fights so far. If Jardine hadn't been so cocky, he would've TKO'ed Alexander. The superman punch tonight was a glancing blow, but still floored him. He can hit like a ton of bricks, but that's all he's got.

LinvilleGorge · 04-03-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by riversideblues

No one will deny he could win, it's mma.

but likely?

BJ has better hands than kenny, as seen by the fact that he greatly outpointed everyone he's fought, including GSP, no question there
Plus he's got better BJJ than Florian, he's more flexible and way harder to take down.
Think about it like this, Sherk smashed Kenny and through him around like a rag doll, and Hughes had major problems taking BJ down until he broke his rib.

So seriously, I'd like to find out why you think this is likely by any means.

You said pretty much exactly what I wanted to. I was too busy wiping the beer I spewed out of my nose off my keyboard.

fullonshred · 04-03-2008, 01:35 AM

My take on things.... Alexander was OUT if only for a second. Steve was right to stop that one or he would have eaten some serious damage. PISSED me off that the loser crowd Booed Irvin. He has been through a lot in the last year or so, he overcame it, and landed a BEAUTY of a Superman Punch flush on Alexander's jaw! So EFF ever single person who booed him for doing his job!

Nate Diaz is The Man! He keeps his cool even under heavy fire. I was worried the Ref might stop it in the first round....Glad he didn't. Nate is one of those guys who is just going to find a way to win. Perfect Triangle to Tap Pellegrino after he was mocking Nate earlier that round. Nate paid him back with a "No Hands" Triangle choke. War Nate!

I agree that Hamill has an amazing chin. He needs it as he is pretty easy to hit. Also, he was gassing pretty badly too. Didn't look as lean as in his last few fights. Boetsch needs huge work on his cardio if he is going anywhere at all. Big Tim would have knocked both these guys out cold as ice. Matt is a CLASS act, unlike "The Diss-Count" Bisping. Matt gave Boetsch major props and asked the crowd to give him a round of applause. I hope the big Kid does well. He has a long way to go though.

Tommy Speers is in way over his head in the UFC. He needs to drop back to WEC or another smaller Org, and as LG said get some serious standup training or he is toast no matter where he goes. I give Tommy props for his chin and heart, but everything else in that fight was all Johnson. Johnson has skills,but he is a little arrogant for my tastes. If you can back it up though, I guess it will fly. Anthony is fast and throws hands knees and feet very well. Time for him to step up in competition.

I don't like Parisyan... too much mouth. Alves shut him up with a Vicious left knee to the chops... Stunned Karo and then Popped him again a few times as he crumpled. In fairness to Parisyan, from the second angle it looked like he had recovered enough and was intelligently defending himself. I honestly belive Thiago would have finished him anyway, but it would have been nice to see for sure. Karo had a more legitimate beef about his stoppage than Alexander did. Did I mention.... EFF those people who booed James Irvin.

Maynard really dominated Edgar except for a few strikes in the second round. I agree with LinvilleGorge that he looked HUGE compared to Frankie. As I expected, Gray was just to strong for Edgar and won a clear victory.

Ahhh Sweetness! Kenny showed that he is levels above Baby Joe. Joe had very few shining moments, and except for those brief seconds Florian dominated him in every aspect of the fight. To those who were touting Lauzon I ask again, what was it about him that made you think he was so good? I didn't get it before the fight, and I sure don't get it now. To any who complain about the stoppage, watch the fight again. Joe just lays there looking dazed and bewildered for quite a few seconds after the ref called off Kenny (The Big Dog) Florian. Joe sure didn't complain about the stoppage.

All in all, and Excellent Night of Fights. The only one who lost that I pulled for was Speers, and it is obvious he is not ready for the UFC. That highlights to me just how weak the last stable of TUF fighters really were.

And speaking of TUF 6, I am looking forward to seeing Danzig fight again soon.

LinvilleGorge · 04-03-2008, 01:37 AM

Actually, in the post fight presser, Florian asked for Huerta. I say make it happen. Since BJ is set to face Sherk next, Florian is going to have to wait for a title shot anyway. The winner of Florian vs. Huerta would certainly be a worthy challenger. I think it'd be an awesome fight!

fullonshred · 04-03-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LinvilleGorge

Actually, in the post fight presser, Florian asked for Huerta. I say make it happen. Since BJ is set to face Sherk next, Florian is going to have to wait for a title shot anyway. The winner of Florian vs. Huerta would certainly be a worthy challenger. I think it'd be an awesome fight!

I'm up for that one! It would be a great fight. Say what you will about either guy,but they BOTH come to fight! And Florian (as we all know) FINISHES FIGHTS!!

LinvilleGorge · 04-03-2008, 01:45 AM

Yeah, the last TUF class was very weak. Like fullonshred said, Speer is just not ready for the UFC and he made the final where he was thoroughly dominated by a 155'er (Danzig). Danzig is the only guy from that show who I think has an immediate future in the UFC and that's at 155 and I don't think he's going to be much more than a gatekeeper. Speer may develop into a good MMA fighter as he is still very young, has a good chin (unless Johnson broke it), and has a good wrestling base - it's just that his standup is beyond raw, it's nonexistent.

fullonshred · 04-03-2008, 01:49 AM

Yeah, it's a shame, he seems like a good kid and has lots of heart. But he has much work to do......

CounterPuncher · 04-03-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fullonshred

My take on things.... Alexander was OUT if only for a second. Steve was right to stop that one or he would have eaten some serious damage. PISSED me off that the loser crowd Booed Irvin. He has been through a lot in the last year or so, he overcame it, and landed a BEAUTY of a Superman Punch flush on Alexander's jaw! So EFF ever single person who booed him for doing his job!

Nate Diaz is The Man! He keeps his cool even under heavy fire. I was worried the Ref might stop it in the first round....Glad he didn't. Nate is one of those guys who is just going to find a way to win. Perfect Triangle to Tap Pellegrino after he was mocking Nate earlier that round. Nate paid him back with a "No Hands" Triangle choke. War Nate!

I agree that Hamill has an amazing chin. He needs it as he is pretty easy to hit. Also, he was gassing pretty badly too. Didn't look as lean as in his last few fights. Boetsch needs huge work on his cardio if he is going anywhere at all. Big Tim would have knocked both these guys out cold as ice. Matt is a CLASS act, unlike "The Diss-Count" Bisping. Matt gave Boetsch major props and asked the crowd to give him a round of applause. I hope the big Kid does well. He has a long way to go though.

Tommy Speers is in way over his head in the UFC. He needs to drop back to WEC or another smaller Org, and as LG said get some serious standup training or he is toast no matter where he goes. I give Tommy props for his chin and heart, but everything else in that fight was all Johnson. Johnson has skills,but he is a little arrogant for my tastes. If you can back it up though, I guess it will fly. Anthony is fast and throws hands knees and feet very well. Time for him to step up in competition.

I don't like Parisyan... too much mouth. Alves shut him up with a Vicious left knee to the chops... Stunned Karo and then Popped him again a few times as he crumpled. In fairness to Parisyan, from the second angle it looked like he had recovered enough and was intelligently defending himself. I honestly belive Thiago would have finished him anyway, but it would have been nice to see for sure. Karo had a more legitimate beef about his stoppage than Alexander did. Did I mention.... EFF those people who booed James Irvin.

Maynard really dominated Edgar except for a few strikes in the second round. I agree with LinvilleGorge that he looked HUGE compared to Frankie. As I expected, Gray was just to strong for Edgar and won a clear victory.

Ahhh Sweetness! Kenny showed that he is levels above Baby Joe. Joe had very few shining moments, and except for those brief seconds Florian dominated him in every aspect of the fight. To those who were touting Lauzon I ask again, what was it about him that made you think he was so good? I didn't get it before the fight, and I sure don't get it now. To any who complain about the stoppage, watch the fight again. Joe just lays there looking dazed and bewildered for quite a few seconds after the ref called off Kenny (The Big Dog) Florian. Joe sure didn't complain about the stoppage.

All in all, and Excellent Night of Fights. The only one who lost that I pulled for was Speers, and it is obvious he is not ready for the UFC. That highlights to me just how weak the last stable of TUF fighters really were.

And speaking of TUF 6, I am looking forward to seeing Danzig fight again soon.

Yes Florian looked good tonight, but what do you mean he dominated every aspect of the fight. I'm pretty sure Lauzon won the first round. I think that those elbows were illegal considering he had a big cut on the BACK of his head... which is illegal. Also if you watch right when Florian is pulled off Lauzon at the end of the fight it looks as if Lauzon isn't too happy and says something to the ref. And why would he be in such a hurry to get up when he knows that the fight is already over?

Saskabush · 04-03-2008, 08:43 AM

Those elbows that Kenny threw from the bottom really bothered me. How are those even legal? It takes no skill or technique to downward elbow the top of a guy's head and it could have easily ended the fight. I assume that they are legal since the fight wasn't stopped but the rules should be revised imo.

WarDawg · 04-03-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by earvinarp

Those elbows were not illegal. And a position in which you are getting pounded in the head with elbows is hardly advantageous. Lauzon was way down the full guard, and that is NOT a good position, as you witnessed.

I am tired of people wanting to take away from Florian. He was amazing tonight and has been amazing for quite a while now. It is about time people give him the respect he deserves. His determination is unrivaled.

Earvinarp, nothing personal against you. But Kenny is barely top ten . He hasn't fought anyone thats top 5 exempt Sherk. Joe Lason wasn't top 10 fighter in the LW class. Put him against anyone in the top 8 of that class. Also to note, them was illegal blows. He used the point of his elbow. Which wasn't what was called.But the strike to the BACK of the head. If a fighter turns his head to where your strikes hit him there, then the foul is on the striker. It was a very good call. It was a good win for Kenny against a top 20 fighter.., maybe. IMO Like I stated , its nothing against you personally. I'm not trying to flame your post but give my 2 cents worth of opinion. WarDawg

T-Bone · 04-03-2008, 09:18 AM

Yup, Nate Diaz is THE MAN. He really impressed me. He took some beating and then pulled off yet another submission. A funny one at that!

It was good to see Nick in his corner - I'm glad he was "allowed" to be there.

It looked like Boetsch came in overconfident and not ready for Hamill and/or the mile high factor. Hamill can really wear an opponent down.

Irvin's superman punch cracked me up. Well, that was fast. Later for the Cornhusker! I think Steve saved Houston from spending time in the hospital.

As others said, Maynard was so much bigger than Edgar. I was pulling for Frankie but it wasn't in the cards for him last night. Bully > The Answer

Speer...did people really buy into him being the 2/5 favorite? He is Matt Hughes if Matt was starting his MMA career now - you know...the well rounded MMA we currently see. I just hope he didn't get yelled at too much after that loss.

Ken-Flo > Lauzon. No surprise there. The surprise was that so many people thought Joe would win. I like both guys and it was a good fight.

As for "The Heat", well....here we go again

T-Bone · 04-03-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Saskabush

Those elbows that Kenny threw from the bottom really bothered me. How are those even legal? It takes no skill or technique to downward elbow the top of a guy's head and it could have easily ended the fight. I assume that they are legal since the fight wasn't stopped but the rules should be revised imo.

Ask War Machine about elbows to the head.

mammoth91 · 04-03-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by WarDawg

Earvinarp, nothing personal against you. But Kenny is barely top ten . He hasn't fought anyone thats top 5 exempt Sherk. Joe Lason wasn't top 10 fighter in the LW class. Put him against anyone in the top 8 of that class. Also to note, them was illegal blows. He used the point of his elbow. Which wasn't what was called.But the strike to the BACK of the head. If a fighter turns his head to where your strikes hit him there, then the foul is on the striker. It was a very good call. It was a good win for Kenny against a top 20 fighter.., maybe. IMO Like I stated , its nothing against you personally. I'm not trying to flame your post but give my 2 cents worth of opinion. WarDawg

Can you give me the 9 or 10 LW that are better then kenny please. And if Guida is in that list I'm done reading it. I'm not saying you, but I laugh when people put him in the top 5, he keeps loseing. Liking a guy is not enough reason. I'm not hating on Clay but this love fest on him is getting silly. Anyway, if there are 9 or 10 better LW's then ken, I'd like to see that list...

jyd94 · 04-03-2008, 10:10 AM

Great night of fights!!! I disagree with the Karo stoppage though. He has gone through worse (and yes refs take that into account) he had his hands up and was tring to get his legs out from under for guard. Was he hurt? Sure he was but he took about 90 less shots with his hands up then Joe did in the main event. He wasn't limp, hands out striaght over his head, and eyes closed like Houston. Reguardless though congrats to the pitbull, nice young fighter there.

jmag · 04-03-2008, 10:57 AM

Why did Karo keep striking with a striker when his strength is judo/grappling?

Ken Florian is overwhelming and all credit to him. I consider him around top 4. I didn't like him beating Joe though.

Has Speers had any stand up training at all? Even my 9 year old daughter puts her hands up when we play fight.