RASHAD EVANS VS. THIAGO SILVA ***Spoilers***

**Seikan** · 01-02-2010 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ventre

Guess what not everyone is a gnp master like gsp but then again GSP does not always get a tko or ko either via those gnp.

True, but to compare Rashad to GSP is stupid to begin with. GSP is up there with Fedor and Anderson, Rashad is nowhere near becoming LHW champ again.

**smartypants5391** · 01-02-2010 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Ventre

So the control in the clinch was nothing? you know the clinch where Thiago was suppose to be better?

Let's not make excuses.

Imo it was a very smart way to approach the fight and I think Rashad intended on some gnp but credit to Thiago he was very good at stopping that.

To me Thiago knew what Rashad was going to to and failed to stop him.

He did stop the gnp but he failed to stop the take downs.

As a whole Rashad demonstrated an impressive skill set, and I do agree that he had better clinch control. However, I don't feel that he used this advantage to do damage. He wasn't throwing any knees or strikes from the clinch, he simply used his strength and wrestling ability to take Silva down. As a strategist, this was a very smart move, and he certainly did much to deserve the nod. However, ultimately, he didn't use his strengths to move closer towards finishing the fight, and thus I was not ultimately impressed by his performance. It reminded me of how Rashad fought before he became a good fighter: take opponents down and sit on them, get up, repeat.

**Sonic Death Monkey** · 01-02-2010 11:56 PM

I'll give it to Rashad he faught a smart fight and managed to neutralize Thiago in the stand up due to his awkward movement. Thiago managed to get up after he was taken down, he kept calm, reversed the mount and all that was quite impressive. But what frustrated me through the whole fight was that Thiago didn't do ANYTHING in the stand-up. He let Rashad go first every time. Thiago got taken down, he got up again, rinse and repeat. If Thiago would've let his hands go in earlier rounds he would've had a good chance of winning, but he completely gave away that chance.

**Crazy Hawk** · 01-02-2010 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Seikan

True, but to compare Rashad to GSP is stupid to begin with. GSP is up there with Fedor and Anderson, Rashad is nowhere near becoming LHW champ again.

My point was that being a good fighter means having a good game plan to.

It is not like he didn't exchange, it's not like he laid and prayed he tried for different positions the difference is Thiago was good enough to stop it.

Sometimes these things happen & I am not even a Rashad fan.

Oh and dude Ventre? With all respect? If he can't hand with Machida's and Thiago's power?

What makes you think he can survive Rampage? Who BTW beat Hendo a better wrestler.

Man Rampage will KTFO of Rashad.

Krav I will bet you sigs for a month on that fight.

Comparing page wining a dec over Hendo does what? comparing Hendo's fight with Page and Page's fight with Rashad is pointles considering Hendo doesn't use his wrestling.

Your grasping right now Krav.

**MTKrav911** · 01-02-2010 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ventre

OMG Krav your hate just goes and goes.

He can't hang with a power striker? Rashad tried to gnp, Rashad tried to gain postions what did your so call boy do?

Jesus dude give credit and get over it when your wrong.

I did, I said it was a good win.

But if you're gonna sit here and try to say that Rashad is some force to be wreckoned with in the UFC LHW division? This fight proved anything but.

He got booed off the stage for chrissakes.

he did what he had to do to win. Got the takedown, laid there, Thiago reversed it, Rashad put him down again.

I mean how bad is it, that the guy you're LNPing against sticks his face out for you to hit and you miss 20 times then he puts you on your ass?

This is a win for Rashad. Congrats Rashad.

But he REALLY GOT exposed tonight.

I dont think he'd beat Tito right now with his "Skill Set"

Congrats Rashad, you won. But sometimes when you win, you really lose, esp when other LHW's in the division who are better all around salivate that all you did tonight was look like Tito Ortiz 2006 version.

**Crazy Hawk** · 01-03-2010 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey

I'll give it to Rashad he faught a smart fight and managed to neutralize Thiago in the stand up due to his awkward movement. Thiago managed to get up after he was taken down, he kept calm, reversed the mount and all that was quite impressive. But what frustrated me through the whole fight was that Thiago didn't do ANYTHING in the stand-up. He let Rashad go first every time. Thiago got taken down, he got up again, rinse and repeat. If Thiago would've let his hands go in earlier rounds he would've had a good chance of winning, but he completely gave away that chance.

I agree but I think in the beginning rounds if he did that Rashad's speed would have caught him and that is why Thiago hesitated.

Between having to guess for a take down and a fast connecting punch is what cost Thiago the fight.

I still think Rashad would have ko'ed him if Thiago tried to be as aggressive as he normally does.

That is why he got rocked before in many other fights because when he is agressive he leaves himself open imo.

**jody** · 01-03-2010 12:00 AM

Man that was another snoozefest with exception to a minute in the third rd. Anyone who thinks Rashad will ever beat Rampage is dreaming and to think he will ever be a champ again WOW. I thought he had improved and he has on his LNP if I were the gracie family I would tell him to say he bought his bjj black belt from somewhere else.

**Sonic Death Monkey** · 01-03-2010 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by smartypants5391

I'd really like to see the fightmetric for this bout. Watching it live, it appeared that Rashad threw/landed very few punches from the top, and was simply taking Silva down and letting him up for the sake of getting points. Under the current scoring system, I understand that Rashad won the fight, but the fact that he did so little damage in comparison to Thiago demonstrates the need for a different system of scoring.

I would also like to see the fightmetric, it would be interesting to see how many strikes Thiago landed in the first two rounds. Can't be many. I'd have a hard time imagining there's a scoring system which would've given Thiago the W in this fight.

**Crazy Hawk** · 01-03-2010 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by MTKrav911

I did, I said it was a good win.

But if you're gonna sit here and try to say that Rashad is some force to be wreckoned with in the UFC LHW division? This fight proved anything but.

He got booed off the stage for chrissakes.

he did what he had to do to win. Got the takedown, laid there, Thiago reversed it, Rashad put him down again.

I mean how bad is it, that the guy you're LNPing against sticks his face out for you to hit and you miss 20 times then he puts you on your ass?

This is a win for Rashad. Congrats Rashad.

But he REALLY GOT exposed tonight.

I dont think he'd beat Tito right now with his "Skill Set"

Congrats Rashad, you won. But sometimes when you win, you really lose, esp when other LHW's in the division who are better all around salivate that all you did tonight was look like Tito Ortiz 2006 version.

Krav I have never done this to you but I am sorry bro your not putting up any valid points.

Just by saying Rashad laid and pray shows me you were not watching the fight well.

Good day sir.

**Drooling4Carcass** · 01-03-2010 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by MTKrav911

I dont think he'd beat Tito right now with his "Skill Set"

not sure if your serious or not and I see the connection but if anything Evans is a lot faster than Tito.

**Seikan** · 01-03-2010 12:03 AM

All I know is.. Evans might have won, but he took two steps back with that win.

**MTKrav911** · 01-03-2010 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Ventre

I agree but I think in the beginning rounds if he did that Rashad's speed would have caught him and that is why Thiago hesitated.Between having to guess for a take down and a fast connecting punch is what cost Thiago the fight.

I still think Rashad would have ko'ed him if Thiago tried to be as aggressive as he normally does.

That is why he got rocked before in many other fights because when he is agressive he leaves himself open imo.

Wow, it sure worked for him when he swung and missed Thiago's head WITH HANDS DOWN in round 3.

Don't give me this "1st Round" stuff. It doesent matter.

Rashad has good head movement yes. WE all know he's strong.

But he can't take a punch. It's that simple.

Again, he won a wrestling match. A valid point?

Getting BOOED the hell out of MGM is THE ULTIMATE point.

Esp after you Won?

You have the Shoguns, Coutures, Hammills, Jones' of the world, hell the Vera's of the world in LHW?

not to mention Machida?

And Rashad proved again.

He's a ONE TRICK pony.

**NWCrazy** · 01-03-2010 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ventre

OMG Krav your hate just goes and goes.

He can't hang with a power striker? Rashad tried to gnp, Rashad tried to gain postions what did your so call boy do?

Jesus dude give credit and get over it when your wrong.

I have to interject. This is totally true. If anything it showed Silva's weaknesses by far. He absolutely was 10X slower throughout the entire fight. He absolutely had 0 takedown defense skills. I mean, the guy was a rag doll throughout the entire fight UNTIL he caught him in the middle of the 3rd round.

With that said, Rashad won...but it was a very very very boring fight...at least to me.

**Seikan** · 01-03-2010 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Ventre

Krav I have never done this to you but I am sorry bro your not putting up any valid points.

Good day sir.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Oh snap Krav.. you just got Good Day Sir´d!

**Crazy Hawk** · 01-03-2010 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Seikan

All I know is.. Evans might have won, but he took two steps back with that win.

I agree it was not the most impressive win but it is his first fight back in 8 months as well as coming off of a vicious ko.

He wasn't exactly thrown in there against a weak opponent.

Sometimes you have to change your style of fighting to adjust to different opponents and to get the win.

If he starts laying and praying then I will get bored with him same as I do GSP. but imo he nullified a very bad ass opponent tonight and got the win.

**smartypants5391** · 01-03-2010 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey

I would also like to see the fightmetric, it would be interesting to see how many strikes Thiago landed in the first two rounds. Can't be many. I'd have a hard time imagining there's a scoring system which would've given Thiago the W in this fight.

That's probably true, but under a half point system I'd have it scored some where around 28.5-28 for Rashad, and that is only if takedowns count for as much as they do now when the opponent gets up right after they are completed. If anything, there needs to be something to indicate that Silva came much closer to finishing in the third round and did much more damage within that round than Rashad did in the rest of the fight (although perhaps those takedowns hurt more than it seems.)

**Harms** · 01-03-2010 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Wow, it sure worked for him when he swung and missed Thiago's head WITH HANDS DOWN in round 3.

Don't give me this "1st Round" stuff. It doesent matter.

Rashad has good head movement yes. WE all know he's strong.

But he can't take a punch. It's that simple.

Again, he won a wrestling match. A valid point?

Getting BOOED the hell out of MGM is THE ULTIMATE point.

Esp after you Won?

You have the Shoguns, Coutures, Hammills, Jones' of the world, hell the Vera's of the world in LHW?

not to mention Machida?

And Rashad proved again.

He's a ONE TRICK pony.

What about the Jardine's of the world?

**MTKrav911** · 01-03-2010 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Seikan

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Oh snap Krav.. you just got Good Day Sir´d!

Yeah but the source?

**Crazy Hawk** · 01-03-2010 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by MTKrav911

Yeah but the source?

The source that is looking at the fight unbiased & who likes both fighters equally.

What about the sig bet???

**MTKrav911** · 01-03-2010 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Harms

What about the Jardine's of the world?

You mean The UFC hasn't cut him yet?

i guess they want some more KO highlight reels

I'm starting to think that's the case with Jardine. He's good for getting KTFO so The UFC keeps up that end of it. They know they put him in there? Someone KTFO of him, so he adds to a nice reel they can market.

Lol

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