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Old 04-22-2007, 12:49 PM   #41 (permalink)
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If Crocop fought chuck next week, the Iceman would do the same thing gonzaga did, only it would be a punch instead of a kick.

Crocop is overrated in the sense that the majority of this board looks at him like he is godly, and the massive denial i've read here is nutz. I'm not saying he is not a good fighter, but face the facts:

You guys were wrong, crocop is not an unstoppable machine, and UFC guys can knock him out. Before somebody chimes in with a comment like: "Nobody ever said crocop was unbeatable". Puh-lease! I could search up hundreds of posts saying just that.

Hell even i made the mistake of buying into this board's Bullsh*t hype, threw all my points on Crocop, and then watched him perform average-at-best in the cage, and then get KOed in devastating fashion.
Now why in the hell would he fight Chuck, ONE week after a devastating KO? Unless you mean if he would have fought Chuck INSTEAD of Gonzaga. Again you seem to also be of the opinion that Gonzaga traded with Mirko for 5 minutes and then knocked him out, this is what Chuck would try to do. However, Gonzaga beat Mirko with Elbows, this is evident if you look at the video again. Mirko wasnīt even on this planet anymore after those elbows, he didnīt even respond to the high kick properly, he tought it was aiming at his shoulders.

About saying people said CroCop in unbeatable, show me one post of a credible poster that said that. Donīt show me, a post saying CroCop will beat everybody in the UFC, show me where somebody said "CroCop is unbeatable".
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:53 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Oh, except you. When are you fighting Randy for the title again?
How am I supposed to reply to this, if not with hostility? You've failed to make even a morsel of sense in your posts, and now you come out with something like this.
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Old 04-22-2007, 12:57 PM   #43 (permalink)
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You're right; I apologize for the name calling. Truth is, I've spent way too much time on this forum today and I have to get to bed. I base Liddell being better than Cro Cop on the opponents that Liddell has beaten...I see them as higher caliber fighters. I also base it on the fact that nobody has ever knocked Liddell clean out on the stand up, and he has only had three losses, two of which have been redeemed. This is going to come down to MMAmath with a who beat who conversation, which is way too much to get into. As for how many of Cro Cop's fights I've seen, I don't know the exact number but I've seen his fight with Mark Hunt, his fight with Fedor, his fight with Wanderlei Silva, his fights with Randleman, and his UFC bouts, off the top of my head.

Well, you should get some sleep then. Liddell, does have an excellent resume, however you will notice that 80% of his opponents are not strikers.

Yes, he has three losses, and redeemed them, CroCop has 4 losses, but he only got the chance to redeem one. That was against Randleman. He still needs to fight Fedor. He still needs to fight Big Nog. Mark Hunt beat him, yes, but Mirko also almost kicked his head off in K1. Hunt canīt be knocked out that easy, by anybody, and look at the sheer size advantage he had over CroCop. If you watch the fight with Big Nog, you will see that CroCop was beating him up, until he put his arm out, which you donīt do against one of the best BJJ fighters in the world, Nog pulled an amazing submission on him, it was an excellent fight.

According to your own testimony you have seen like 5-6 fights of CroCop. The people that say that CroCop can beat Chuck are either a. people who donīt know any better, OR b. they are fans of Mirko who have been following his career for years, auch as myself. Iīm not a fool to say CroCop can beat Chuck. Iīve seen what Mirko is capable of.
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Old 04-22-2007, 01:00 PM   #44 (permalink)
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CroCop looked so disappointed, I haven't seen the spike copy or any TV version, but did they show the amount of time crocop was out for, to me it seemed like 5 mins, he had to be put in the recovery position and have oxygen, I know this might be the UK overreacting but once he see's the tape back he might lose heart tottally, in all honesty at one point I thought he might be dead.
wow yeah i was in shock when cro cop got ko'd, i had this slight feeling that the head kick really really screwed him up. that was a beautiful headkick by gonzaga though. he was out for awhile. probably not out as long as salmon though.
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Well, you should get some sleep then. Liddell, does have an excellent resume, however you will notice that 80% of his opponents are not strikers.

Yes, he has three losses, and redeemed them, CroCop has 4 losses, but he only got the chance to redeem one. That was against Randleman. He still needs to fight Fedor. He still needs to fight Big Nog. Mark Hunt beat him, yes, but Mirko also almost kicked his head off in K1. Hunt canīt be knocked out that easy, by anybody, and look at the sheer size advantage he had over CroCop. If you watch the fight with Big Nog, you will see that CroCop was beating him up, until he put his arm out, which you donīt do against one of the best BJJ fighters in the world, Nog pulled an amazing submission on him, it was an excellent fight.

According to your own testimony you have seen like 5-6 fights of CroCop. The people that say that CroCop can beat Chuck are either a. people who donīt know any better, OR b. they are fans of Mirko who have been following his career for years, auch as myself. Iīm not a fool to say CroCop can beat Chuck. Iīve seen what Mirko is capable of.
You'll also notice I edited my post shortly after to change "anyone who thinks Cro Cop can beat Chuck" to "Anyone who thinks Cro Cop is greater than Chuck." Nobody is a fool for thinking anybody can beat anybody, the way things have been going lately. Faulty wording. I really believe Liddell's run as champion and his past performances put him ahead of just about everybody. I'll watch more of Cro Cop's fights. I'm not too pig headed to think I may have over looked something.
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You'll also notice I edited my post shortly after to change "anyone who thinks Cro Cop can beat Chuck" to "Anyone who thinks Cro Cop is greater than Chuck." Nobody is a fool for thinking anybody can beat anybody, the way things have been going lately. Faulty wording. I really believe Liddell's run as champion and his past performances put him ahead of just about everybody. I'll watch more of Cro Cop's fights. I'm not too pig headed to think I may have over looked something.
Well, I would say, even a wording such as "Anybody who thinks CroCop is greater than Chuck is a fool" is pretty much messed up. I donīt deny that Chuck has had a long run as a champ, and I honestly donīt know who could beat Chuck at LHW in the UFC, doesnīt look like he has much competition, unless we see a fight between him and some of Prideīs LHWīs. Rampage might not pull it off, I donīt know.. too tricky to call.
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How am I supposed to reply to this, if not with hostility? You've failed to make even a morsel of sense in your posts, and now you come out with something like this.
What did I say that is beyond your comprehension? That it was natural for Mirko to drop his hands to cover the midsection, where he thought the kick was going? Or that it is surprising that a big guy like Gonzaga can not only kick that high, but do it effectively?
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that was a crazy fight. i lost 16k points on it, but it was worth it.
i also felt like something was really wrong with crocop. when he fell it looked like he was dead, i was a little worried.
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OMG i saw cro cop get taken down, i was worried and just kept pacing myself. Then BJM told them to stand up and i was like, a couple seconds left and then i was like, Cro cop can show whats he';s made of in the second round. Then out of nowhere gonzaga threw that kick and my heart stopped. Man what an upset that was. Since the fight happened like at 11;40 pm, i didn't fall asleep till like 3 am thinking about how, why, just so confused. Honestly i thought i was dreaming or something but i had to face the facts and Cro Cop got KO'd. Props to gonzaga though for that nice head kick, so fast.

No matter though cro cop is still My Favorite fighter!!
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OMG i saw cro cop get taken down, i was worried and just kept pacing myself. Then BJM told them to stand up and i was like, a couple seconds left and then i was like, Cro cop can show whats he';s made of in the second round. Then out of nowhere gonzaga threw that kick and my heart stopped. Man what an upset that was. Since the fight happened like at 11;40 pm, i didn't fall asleep till like 3 am thinking about how, why, just so confused. Honestly i thought i was dreaming or something but i had to face the facts and Cro Cop got KO'd. Props to gonzaga though for that nice head kick, so fast.

No matter though cro cop is still My Favorite fighter!!
It was Herb Dean, but that's a common mistake, they're damn near twins.
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It was Herb Dean, but that's a common mistake, they're damn near twins.
oh yeah, huh, yup one black and the other white, how can you tell them apart. LoL. Did he look shocked when he saw cro cop because i think he did the "Oh My" thing, you know *hand on cheek*
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I was doing the same thing when I saw his leg.
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Any word on his knee or ankle? I was suprised he walked out on his own power. That just shows his thoughness. I never was one to put CroCop on a god-like pedestal, so this loss doesn't shock me as much as some. These types of things happen to the best of them. Fedor almost got KO'd by Fujita... it happens. I'm sure CroCop will be back, but I think for now more attention will be focused on Big Nog and his run at a title shot.

On a side note, how worried do you guys think Randy got when he saw that RHK?
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just finished seeing Cro Cop and Gonzaga fight on youtube. It still is as painful to see your favorite fighter get KO'd, still even when i saw it on Spike and just now again. I downloaded the fight and kept watching it so i could get over it.
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On a side note, how worried do you guys think Randy got when he saw that RHK?
No really sure, I donīt think he is worried about it too much, and I doubt we are going to see a highlight reel of Gonzaga kicking peoples heads off in the UFC. However, not to take anything away from him, he did everything right, and it seems CroCop did everything wrong last night. Happens, oh well. I think Randy should be more worried about being taken down and having a 250-260 pound monster in his guard, raining down those elbows.
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No really sure, I donīt think he is worried about it too much, and I doubt we are going to see a highlight reel of Gonzaga kicking peoples heads off in the UFC. However, not to take anything away from him, he did everything right, and it seems CroCop did everything wrong last night. Happens, oh well. I think Randy should be more worried about being taken down and having a 250-260 pound monster in his guard, raining down those elbows.
I'm sure we won't see too many of those from Gabe, sure, but it has to be in the back of Randy's mind that he's capable of throwing that right leg up there. Just another thing he has to gameplan for. Your last sentence rings true in my ears (or eyes, lol). If Gabe does get Randy down, it could be shades of Randy -vs- Rico. He, traditionally, has had problems with those bear-like, g-n-p guys. Should be interesting nonetheless.
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just finished seeing Cro Cop and Gonzaga fight on youtube. It still is as painful to see your favorite fighter get KO'd, still even when i saw it on Spike and just now again. I downloaded the fight and kept watching it so i could get over it.
I'm surprised you could find it on Youtube, I had to go to dewsaw. It was really depressing youtube though seeing all the posts;
'America's no 1, pride sucks, japan sucks, foreigners suck, you all just pride nuthuggers'.

CC didn't look himself. Normally he does a butterfly gaurd and pushes the guy off, bigger guys too. Normally he strikes quickly and aggressively. Normally he has quick reactions when it comes to defence. Don't get me wrong, gonzaga seemed like a fighter to watch, but not what I'd expect to give CC trouble - though the high kick was great.

Whats eating CC in UFC?

Randy has less to fear from the Gonzaga who won that fight than from the CC we saw before he switched orgs.
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Found this out on ufcmania looks like he will be fine.

When he got dropped, Cro Cop had his ankle and knee bend in a very unnatural direction — it looked like he sustained some form of injury.

When he woke up, he did walk out of the cage. And, he made no mention of an injury during the post-fight discussion from what we can gather.

However, at the airport in Zagreb, Croatia, Cro Cop did reveal to Net.hr that he injured ligaments in his right foot but that it’s, “nothing to fear.
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I can't believe no one is talking about the eye poke of Cro Cop!!!

It was pretty obvious to me that he got poked in the eye right before the kick.















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hilarious.
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