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SeikanJudanski

How can I spoil a fight which is over and already broadcasted on Spike? Dude, I don´t give a s***, I am going to go into seclusion for 10 years.

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finnicky7

Holy ****!

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Snow Patrol

Wow, Gonzaga has a great chance to becoming the HW champ now I think... he will pose a lot of problems for Randy.

And... just wow.

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sitnspin

What I'm waiting for now is a bunch of threads from people who maintained this morning that CroCop is a god and the #1 threat to Fedor, who will now say that he was overrated and isn't even a threat to Couture.

Open message to anyone who's thinking that crap: Mirko Filipovic, like Georges St-Pierre, IS as good as people have always said. He's an incredible fighter, and at heavyweight, he's easily top five in the world. All we learned tonight is that anyone can get caught. Flash knockouts happen, and they can happen to almost anyone. Mirko will continue to be a dominant force in MMA, and anyone who thinks otherwise is on crack.

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Flying Triangle Choke

Well said. You can't really knock Cro Cop for this loss. Gonzaga fought a perfect fight.

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riversideblues

this should still go in the results section


but wow, i don't know what's upwith all of these upsets :S

i didn't see thefight yet becuase of work but was it total domination or more of a gsp-serra flash hit

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Malf

I completely agree, as long as he doesn't retire. Maybe it's just me, but Cro Cop's looked miserable since joining UFC. I know he is always low-key, but I dunno, he just seems unhappy. If he's gonna retire soon, it'll be now. If not, I still see him holding the belt within the next 2 years.

On another note, big props to Gonzaga, Hell of a gameplan put together by his camp, and he executed to perfection. He should give Randy a good fight.

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SeikanJudanski

For all those that are upset that I posted this after the East Coast broadcast, while the West Coast was basically just beginning to watch, sorry about that. I know some people are upset, since this thread was originally in the UFC Forum, and might have spoiled the results. I totally forgot about the time zone difference in the states, and that Spike shows the show delayed in all time zones... Also I didn´t know anything about a 24hr rule.

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LoL that's exactly what I was telling my brother after the fight......I was like o man now all the internet people will be saying that freaking Mirko is overrated and not any good cuz he lost a fight.......Just like they did when GSP lost.


I just hope after all these big time fights that went against the grain that people finally get that MMA is no joke and you do not go on some crazy 10-20 win streak of not getting beat.......Why you think guys like Matt Hughes are so respected by MMA people having a 40-5 record is crazy in MMA and defending a title like he did and like Chuck is now just does not happen very often in this sport.

If you can get a title and defend it 3 times you are in some high high company if you go 5+ you are in legend company.


Hopefully people now see that these fights just because it isn't against a big named fighter are still anyone's game and it is not so cut and dry like some people seem to think it is all the time.


How crazy would it be if Randy runs through Gonzaga like he did Tim LoL OMG I’d freak if he defends his title !

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SeikanJudanski

CroCop has been knocked out before, and to tell you guys the truth, it´s always against people he underestimates, just like Randleman. I think it´s pretty similar with Gonzaga. Maybe this will wake Mirko up again, who I think pretty much underestimated Gonzaga, the cage and the rules.

Watching this fight, it becomes clear to my now, how much of a difference the elbows make, as opposed to Pride. Gonzaga wasn´t doing anything special in the stand up, Mirko is known for this circling games when somebody is striking at him, and then looks for the perfect shot, however that kick to the ribs came a bit to slow for this standards, and Gonzaga took him down very well. The elbows did the job. Mirko has never had elbows to his face in any fight before. The transition from K1 to Pride didn´t involve Elbows to the face, this was something TOTALLY knew to him, and Gonzaga used the elbows very well.

When they stood both fighters up, you could see Mirko was totally out of his element, having just experienced an elbow shower. That RHK came at a perfect time, Gonzaga probably noticed that Mirko was practically not even in the fight anymore. I don´t know what would have happened if the fight would have gone to the second round, it depends on how well Mirko would have recuperated. Still I give Gonzaga all the respect in the world, he did exactly what he said he would do.

Mirko will be back, and he will still be one of the biggest contenders for the title. This is just a case of history repeating itself for Mirko. Mirko was close to fighting for the title in Pride and then got knocked out by Randleman, so he had to go on a 6-7 fight killing spree to get another title shot, which he sadly lost to Darth Fedor. Now we have almost the same situation, he has to go back, train like he never trained before and work his way back up to a title shot. Dana will probably give him one after 2-3 fights, but still. It just won´t be a walk in the park anymore to the title. Big Nog is also in the UFC now, and although I´ve never seen him use elbows on the ground, but I am sure the rules and the cage play into his lap as a ground fighter.

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I don't think he expected Gabe to move that fast or be that athletic for such a big dude. The tape said 6'1" but he was easily 2" taller than Crocop and 243lbs. That high kick was worthy of your sig Seiken.

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But Cro Cop dropped his damn hands! That kick wasn't even set up, it was just a naked roundhouse and it worked because Cro Cop broke one of the golden rules: He let his hands drop. Sure, he's still a great fighter, but I always believed he was over rated, not because I believed he wasn't good, but because of how a lot of people talk about him on here like he's some kind of superman. Randleman caught him, and he left himself open a few times against Sanchez. Here everybody is saying he would destroy Chuck Liddell and that his striking is on another level, another PLANET some have said, and that just really isn't the case. People have even claimed that his takedown defense is better than Chuck's, and look at easily Gonzaga took him down. Who does he train that takedown defense with? Werdum, who couldn't even get a decent takedown attempt on Arlovski. This isn't the first time Cro Cop has left himself open, is it? And doesn't he have a questionable chin? And hasn't his most prized weapons suffered injury?

There's no doubt about it in my mind: Cro Cop was over rated. I knew that sooner or later that would be revealed now that he's in the UFC, but I didn't think it would be so soon.

Dirty Fighter

Crocop is about as far from overrated as you can get. That comment takes away from Gonzaga's credibility as a HW contender. That kick was awesome. I an not surprised that Mirko dropped his hands at all. I didn't think Gonzaga could put one up there either.

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SeikanJudanski

Well, the reason he put his hands so low, was because he was totally out of it man. Those elbows were hard. He probably didn´t even know where the heck he was for a few seconds after being stood up. Yes, he had his hands low, and got kicked. I would like to see how well you stick to "golden rules" after having a 250 pound monster drop 20 elbows in your face.

CroCop has never been overrated, I love it when people call somebody overrated when they lose. How many of his fights have you seen, be honest. The very fact that you mention Sanchez and Randleman shows me that you must have maybe seen exactly TWO. CroCop´s striking was good enough to put most of the elite fighters of Pride on their back, he even showed superior striking to Fedor (but you can´t even knock Fedor out with dropping him on his head). What does Chuck´s striking have to do with Gonzaga´s ground game? It was Gonzaga´s excellent ground game that eventually got Mirko knocked out. Chuck is a excellent striker, but he doesn´t weigh as much as Gonzaga and probably would trade with Mirko from beginning to end, if you are going to say Chuck would have kicked his head of in a similar fashion, then you are wrong, because like I already said, it was the elbows that did the job, Mirko didn´t even see the kick coming he was so out of himself. And you know what? And maybe Gonzaga is just 1000% better than we thought.

CroCop DOES have excellent takedown defense, but it´s hard to defend from being taken down with one leg being held, after a kick to the ribs. Mirko has shown excellent takedown defense in many fights, don´t start imagining things. Yes, CroCop trained with Werdum, who is a ADCC champion, and a world class BJJ fighter. Don´t start taking stuff away from people just because they had a bad night. And a takedown is different from takedown defense. If Werdum didn´t take AA down, it was a. because he only tried twice. b. AA also has good TD defense.

It depends HOW overrated you imagined CroCop to be, nobody ever said he is unbeatable, nobody ever said he is the best figther in the world. Maybe Dana White hyped him up so much to the point, that little MMA Noobs now think he is overrated, however people who know Mirko and have seen all of his fights, know what he is capable of. If he decides to stay in the UFC , he WILL be HW champion. It´s just a matter of time.

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Daniel

It takes 20 days to be able to stretch to maximum extension. Kids in Mc'Dojos worldwide accomplish this. You thinking Gonzaga couldn't accomplish a text book roundhouse to the head on a shorter opponent takes away his credibility as a HW contender more than my claim that Cro Cop is overrated.

RIPPEN

I agree.. To me it looked like Mirko was dropping his hands to block against the kick coming to the body.. Instead it went up top.. He got caught and the rest is history.. Hats off to Gonzaga and good luck to Cro Cop in future fights. It was definatly a pretty crazy kick..