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Pitbull · 05-02-2007, 12:16 PM

All I can say is...Wow.

De La Hoya-Mayweather will separate boxing from thuggish UFC - CBS SportsLine.com
By Mike Freeman
CBS SportsLine.com National Columnist

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This is what the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather fight, one of the most important events in recent sports history, really means: It's boxing's last stand.

Boxing is fighting for its life, and in some ways the largest obstacle to its rebirth is its greatest competitor -- the worst league ever invented, the UFC. Which means it is good vs. evil, Halle Berry vs. Courtney Love, true sport against the mosh pit of sweat and bloodied skull fractures known as ultimate fighting.

De La Hoya and Mayweather can single-handedly save their sport from deteriorating into dust while simultaneously stopping the advance of the UFC barbarians at the gate, trying to destroy boxing by polluting pay-per-view with their brand of low-brow, ghetto-fabulous hooliganism.

This is it. This is when boxing emerges from its great depression riding the shoulders of De La Hoya and finally strikes a blow to the caged ignorance that is mixed martial arts.

It will happen.

In the coming days, you will read foofs who will say boxing can never survive, despite one of the more glorious bouts just several days away. On Thursday, you will attempt to stomach the dopey ramblings of my good friend Gregg Doyel, otherwise known as Captain Persnickety, downplaying this grand moment in history. He's probably another ultimate fighting apologist as well.

Ultimate fighting will never be as good as boxing on its worst day. Many of the ultimates are nothing but thugs and ruffians. All that league has done is take a few former nightclub bouncers, knuckle crackers and parolees, put on some fancy TV graphics and told them, "Kick the other guy in the nuts."

No skill is required to knee someone in the groin (and it happens despite rules stating it is illegal). I'm kneeing Doyel in the groin now. See, was that difficult?

Next on Spike TV: Man eats another man's face. Then some dork will call it a sport.

The UFC has no credibility. UFC equals the Ultimate Farcical Clown league.

And please do not wax poetic about the UFC's popularity. Of course people watch the UFC. It's human cockfighting. It appeals to the lowest common denominator of human existence.

The message boards and my e-mail will be irradiated with balderdash about how the mainstream media is simply a bunch of snobs and we don't "get" the Ultimate Farcical Clown league. I love the NFL. Only Roman gladiators had a more dangerous sporting profession. The NFL is more violent than the UFC, but football at least possesses a veneer of being civilized.

Boxing is almost comically imperfect. It is full of crooks, con artists and ear biters (and that's just a weekend in Atlantic City with Mike Tyson). Despite its faults and notwithstanding the massive greed that has caused boxing to collapse on itself like a dying sun, boxing has more charm in its broken pinky than the Ultimate Farcical Clown league does in its entire crappy organization.

No UFC goon has or ever will possess the grace and natural showmanship of De La Hoya or the true fearsome fighting skills of Mayweather.

Notice the word: skills. This match will not resemble a bar-room brawl but meticulous, highly practiced, man-to-man warfare between two skilled, all-time athletes.

It is only a matter of time before the UFC suckers, er, fans realize they have been fooled by a Jedi mind trick.

The UFC should be banned; the De La Hoya-Mayweather bout should be embraced.

The fact a non-heavyweight match is getting so much attention shows that boxing still has appeal (and even I once thought it was dead). The fact boxing has survived despite so many scandals and crooked promoters demonstrate it has resilience.

"This [fight] is important because boxing is at its lowest point and boxing has been at its lowest point for quite a while now," De La Hoya told the New York Post. "Boxing is always taking these low blows left and right from people. This will give it a good shot in the arm."

The fight can do more than that. It can begin a resurgence perhaps not seen before in American sports. If the fight is particularly competitive, casual fans will give boxing another look and the all-important advertisers will again open their wallets instead of turning their backs.

Then maybe we can begin to put the sad joke that is the UFC behind us.

And once again we can get excited about a real sport.

Harms · 05-02-2007, 12:20 PM

Why even post this garbage? I'm not cracking you for posting it, it is a rhetorical question. The guy is an idiot. I always find it humorous when they compare UFC to a barroom brawl. Just confirms the fact that they have never seen a barroom brawl before.

Crashsti · 05-02-2007, 12:21 PM

people who still think the UFC is just a bunch of thugs don't even deserve the time of day. these are the guys who are praying every night that the UFC will at somepoint falter so they can stand up and say "I told you so." of course that is'nt going to happen, MMA is here to stay at a pro-level and all the way down to the kids fighting in the woods. the worst part is that these "writers" are actually getting a voice.

AikaImmortal · 05-02-2007, 12:21 PM

time to send nasty emails to Columnist - CBS SportsLine.com

Remember, don't swear at him, don't call him any bad names but use point/counterpoint and whatnot to show him how wronlgly biased he is in writing this pile of goat feces that he calls an article.

Dirty Fighter · 05-02-2007, 12:23 PM

COURTNEY LOVE!?!?!? THIS IDIOT COMPARES MMA TO COURTNEY LOVE?!?!?!?

Of all the low down dirty rotten garbage that has been thrown at mma, this one takes the cake.

Courtney Love......sheesh.

AikaImmortal · 05-02-2007, 12:24 PM

Article bashing UFC - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums more discussion about this trashy 'article'

Corey · 05-02-2007, 12:25 PM

It makes me mad because the guy is not speaking out of hatred, only out of ignorance. He doesn't understand mma. He watched an event and decided it was a barbaric sport. He hasnt taken the time to talk to promoters or fighters and see the art of mixed martial arts. I love mma, and I dont feel the need to slam on boxing, and I really could if I wanted to, theres plenty of material. Why? because I respect it as a sport, and I really hope guys like this can do the same for mma.

Gooner · 05-02-2007, 12:31 PM

Let's just hope for that guy's sake that DLH/MW doesn't produce ANOTHER death in boxing, eh...

tenntitanfan · 05-02-2007, 12:31 PM

That is the gayest $hit I have ever read and I feel like I have lost IQ points for reading it.

mammoth91 · 05-02-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Harms

Just confirms the fact that they have never seen a barroom brawl before.

LOL, that is funny and true.

Bomber · 05-02-2007, 12:38 PM

Unemployed boxing journalist seeking full-time position. No knowledge of anything but boxing, but lots of talent for uninformed opinions and inflammatory remarks. Please call if you have work for an elitist to write heavily biased articles about yesterday's sport.

Dirty Fighter · 05-02-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

Unemployed boxing journalist seeking full-time position. No knowledge of anything but boxing, but lots of talent for uninformed opinions and inflammatory remarks. Please call if you have work for an elitist to write heavily biased articles about yesterday's sport.

LMAO! Hilarious!

SeikanJudanski · 05-02-2007, 01:06 PM

Haha.. that was funny. He doesn´t deserve anything more than getting laughed at.

Saskabush · 05-02-2007, 01:13 PM

All I can say is Wow

comucazi · 05-02-2007, 01:15 PM

heres what i wrote him

However much I appreciate the job columnist have, I rarely feel the need to write one with my displeasure. Your recent column concering the UFC unfortunately shows that you did not do the necessary background and research associated with a columnist of your stature. Yes, the UFC began as a bunch of
"nightclub bouncers, knuckle crackers and parolees," it has grown into a organization which demands more training than boxing could. Not only do fighters have to train in boxing but they must be at the least competent in; Wrestling, Submission Grappling, and or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Also, there is quite a large number of fighters in the UFC, some even Title Holders, who have college degrees, some even having masters in such fields as Accounting and Child Psychology. While I'm not expecting your next column to repent your previous one, I do hope you take a closer look at the UFC. I also know that it is unlikely for me to recieve a response but I am open to any discussion that you have. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
Andrew *******

nublood · 05-02-2007, 01:43 PM

Wanna know what pure ignorance looks like?

SeikanJudanski · 05-02-2007, 02:02 PM

After thinking about it, I felt like I had to write something to him...

Here is my letter, I hope he takes the time to read it, and the letters of others.

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Dear Mr.Freeman,

I read your article on DLH/MW separating Boxing from the thuggish UFC. I have to honestly tell you that it was one of the most ignorant articles that I have ever read in my entire life. Where should I start? Honestly when was the last time you watched MMA? I agree that, when the UFC was brought into existence back in the early 90´s, by the Gracies, it did actually host some ex-Bouncers, Thugs, etc. in it. However, there was also Royce Gracie, who is master Brazilian Ju-Jitsu fighter who tried to promote an actual Martial Art. However times have changed man. There are no more "ghetto fabulous Hooligans fighting in the UFC, or in MMA in general. The two most prestigious promotions, namely the UFC and Pride consist of nothing but highly skilled athletes. Most of them are All-American Wrestler, Olympians and World Champions in their respective arts. MMA has evolved so much since the early 90´s that it’s not even the same thing.

I found it hilarious how you gave the example of getting kicked in the groin. Honestly, I can’t remember the last time a fighter got kneed in the groin, however, we don’t have to argue about how many times Boxers go "low", do we?

Accidents happen in all sports. But what you wrote is pure hatred and ignorance of a sport which is up and coming, and has worked out the edges in the last 15 years. Promotions are sanctioned, Unified rules have been put in place and all of the athletes are pure MMA fighters. Maybe it comes as a surprise to you, that the current HW Champion Randy Couture was the captain of the Olympic Wrestling team. Mirko CroCop is a member of the parliament in Croatia and former leader of an Anti Terror Squad called Lutschko. Antonio Rodrigo Nogeura is a master grappler, who also trains with the Cuban boxing team. There are fighters who have won gold and silver medals, such as Pavel Nestula, a two time gold medalist in Judo, or Yoshida also a gold medalist. Matt Lindland is another Silver medalist. Most of them, if not all are World Champions in Karate, Kickboxing, Judo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, etc Basically you are calling decorated World Champions and Olympians, “Ghetto Hooligans”

Times have changed Mike, it’s time for you to gain some knowledge of the sport, instead of spewing your hatred, if you really consider yourself a journalist, worthy of writing for CBS. Infact, here you are calling the MMA "Ultimate Fighting". MMA is a mixture of all kinds of disciplines. You need to get that idea that MMA is "no rules" out of your head my friend. It’s not called Ultimate Fighting, UFC is a promotion. The sport itself is called MMA.

I could actually take your letter and analyse it point for point, but since it’s basically a whole letter based on ignorance and no valid points, so there is no need to. Take the comment that it takes no skill to kick somebody in the groin. Ok, it doesn’t, but it takes skill to take an opponent to the ground and apply a Kimura, a RNC or to defend a takedown. It takes immense skills to have somebody in your guard, and then apply a Triangle Choke on him. I´m sure you don´t know what an Omaplata, Armbar, Heel Hook or Americana is, so I won’t even bother wasting my time. Did you know that Pancration was an ancient Olympic Sport? Pancration is basically wrestling and boxing. It’s a type of MMA.

Have you ever watched ADCC? Where the worlds best Wrestlers (Greco-Roman, not WWE if that’s what you are thinking), Brazilian Ju-Jitsu fighters, and the rest of the MMA world comes together to display nothing but pure ground fighting skills, it’s these fighters who also participate in the UFC or Pride FC. Are you even aware of any sport besides Boxing?

What are you so threatened by? MMA never challenged Boxing, and Boxing doesn’t need to degrade MMA. They are both respective sports, which have nothing to do with each other. MMA fans are also boxing fans; however as fight fans we love BOTH sports. Your whole articles sounds like a mad boxing fan, who is painful fear of his sport going down under, and looks for ways to put down another sport, in hopes of achieving some success in getting people to turn away from MMA. Sad thing is, you don´t sound credible by putting down or calling names. Boxing has been around for a while now, and it will continue to be around.

Educate yourself mike.

Sincerely,

Ibn Nasser - Germany

RockemSockem · 05-02-2007, 02:10 PM

Pfff. I don't even believe it. This guy is trying to do two things.

One, get himself all the attention he can. He knows he's talking out of his ass. You can't find anything MMA that doesn't go out of it's way to emphasize the skill involved. And you can't watch any event without seeing the technique involved. Acting like this gets people talking about him and boxing.

Two, you can hype and event all you want, but if the interest isn't there, it doesn't matter. This fight obviously does garner interest, but boxing isn't where it was and this event could make or break it. Even though people aren't going to believe what he says about the UFC, it will encourage them to buy this PPV.

So basically this guy is looking out for himself and his sport. He's getting his name out there and helping get buys for the PPV. Any publicity is good publicity, and this guy used that like a pro. I won't write him anything, because it's exactly what he wants.

RebLMunkE · 05-02-2007, 02:20 PM

The only reason this fight has anything to it is because Mayweather runs his mouth like crazy and pretty much everyone likes Oscar so people will watch.

Mayweather shows every time he says something that the way guys like this fool view MMA is really more relevant to boxing the sport they are attempting to defend.

Boxing has far more big thugs that just got out of jail swinging away at another guys head then MMA......Most boxers I see anymore are ether so dumb they can't talk right or they are so beat up from getting pounded in the head for 10 rounds that they can't talk right.

For me the art of boxing is not in question but the sport of boxing leaves a lot to be desired.....Smaller gloves less rounds would make me a lot more interested and would make things safer, Why these guys don’t just fight like K-1 fighters is beyond me everyone knows there are major problems with getting hit only in the head over and over again for 30 minutes.

Mutant · 05-02-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

So basically this guy is looking out for himself and his sport. He's getting his name out there and helping get buys for the PPV. Any publicity is good publicity, and this guy used that like a pro. I won't write him anything, because it's exactly what he wants.

I could