p19101

I must consider Couture the underdog, but I think he'll pull out a decision...

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Osnodon

How can you give Gonzaga striking? Randy outstruck Belfort, Liddell, and a whole lot more.

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The Bodybag

Crashti, that father time remark was made before Randy fought Tito Ortiz and dominated him for 5 rounds. Father time has caught up with Randy and The Natural turned and popped him in the mouth. I think Randy can isolate people's strengths like no other. He also had a problem with large strikers but he lost a few times and realized i need to learn to deal with it, im sure hes fixed his heavier grappler problem. He's been training with guys like Frank Mir who walks at 260lbs and other huge hw's. I can never vote against him because he is my all time favorite, like he said, the rest of his career he will be the underdog.

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MTKrav911

Again, everyone has a great point here. I simply think that if he could, Randy would hire GG's cousin whos exactly GG's size, to roll with just to get ready.

Randy is an insane strategist, can't count him out that easily.

daveyxx

im gonna say gonzaga. you have to admit, gonzaga is a big mofo. hes 20+ pounds more than randy. and yes, hes a smart man, but sometimes the gameplans dont go as planned..

MTKrav911

You have a point. And with that point check this famous quote out

Tito Ortiz vs. Frank Shamrock 1999


(Maurice Smith) "Why didnt you pick him up more and slam him?" (mo smith to Frank after the fight)

(Frank Shamrock) "He's too big. Too big. I swear to God he's alot bigger than you think!"

(Maurice Smith) "Yeah, but you are too!"

(Frank Shamrock) "He's a HW, I'm a MW, he's too big, I swear to God!"

Frank Shamrock and Maurice Smith after Frank Shamrocks tapout win over Tito 1999

Daniel

Randy Couture may not have KO power, but he has everything else. I would say Randy is the better technical boxer, and the better striker in every aspect outside of actual POWER. Also, Randy's standup works very well to accent his wrestling. If Gonzaga isn't worried about the take down, he's going to get taken down fast.

It's going to come down to whether or not Randy Couture can do damage on top. What kind of shape Couture is in is a huge factor, too. He looked huge last time we saw him, and if he has packed on weight since then, he might just be the stronger guy come UFC 74.

Gooner

Yeah, but why?
I had a problem with what Rogan was saying during at least one of those fights..."If this was a kickboxing bout, Randy would be winning".
Vitor and Chuck (in the first fight) were just too cautious because they knew Randy was gonna take them down.
Randy beat Sylvia standing too, but I guarantee you if he got into an actual kickboxing match with either of those three guys, he would lose.
In those fights Randy knew that all his opponents were going to do was strike. But his opponents were constantly thinking "he's gonna clinch, he's gonna shoot. Careful now".

Like I said, I don't think Gonzaga will have that problem. He's not afraid of going to the ground. He may very well take Randy down instead.

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Pitbull

Gooner has already explained it well, but I'll try to add to that.

Its been a while since I've seen the Belfort/Couture fight, but what I remember was Randy punishing Vitor on the ground.

Randy had a good game plan in the first fight against Chuck and punched enough to take him down. And if I remember correctly that fight ended with Randy striking Chuck on the (again) ground.

Gonzaga will strike without worrying about the takedown, because I'm sure he would prefer to be on the ground anyway. And I think that Gonzaga has more power in his punches than Couture.

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PINOYPRIDE

I have to say GG will win this fight cause even if Randy takes him down can he keep him down and if he does can he eventually stop those submission attempts....Randy has to take him down in order to win cause he will not strike with GG cause he has KO power and Randy has been Ko'ed before from Liddell. Also vise versa can Randy stop GG from taking him down and if GG takes Randy down can he stop the elbows like he did to Cro cop and again those submissions from him. GG is both dangerous on it's feet, from his back and of course on top.

I highly respect Randy but even if he has a game plan which I think take GG down, and take him to the fence, the GnP him.....Can he do that for 5 rounds?? I highly think he will tire from keeping GG down and defending from the submission attempts....

GG will submit randy in my opinion.

Osnodon

Gooner + Pitbull - Your putting a lot of words in other people's mouths.

Couture outstruck Belfort in Belfort v Couture 1 standing and on the ground during a time when I gaurantee Belfort wasn't thinking oh man, here is some patented Couture GnP. Remember despite what anyone thinks about Belfort he is a BJJ black belt.

I'm sorry I just flat out disagree with both of you. While I think that Chuck might have been scared for the takedown I still think we have to give the striking to Couture. We have seen time after time that Couture can and will outstrike people standing and on the ground against QUALITY opponents.

Gonzaga has a KO of Cro Cop but other than that who else of quality has he beaten striking? I'm sorry but to me this is like saying Randleman would outstrike Couture because he KOed Cro Cop....who BTW had more (T)KO wins going into the Cro Cop match than Gonzaga.

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Gooner

What words did I put into other people's mouths? Explain.

Are you saying Vitor didn't know that Randy is primarily a wrestler when they fought the first time? Are you saying Vitor wasn't thinking "I wanna box with this guy, and he'll probably want to take me down"?
Or what?

I never disagreed about "giving the striking to Couture", I simply explained WHY the striking went to Couture. If you think Randy would have gotten the striking in a kickboxing match against Chuck, you're pretty much alone with that opinion, trust me.

Who else of quality... he got a standing KO in his first fight in the UFC as well. Now Kevin Jordan is not exactly top 10, but my point was that during his long career Randy has never KO'd anybody, and GG has gotten TWO standing KO's in his FOUR fights in the UFC.
He's more dangerous standing. He's more dangerous on the ground. Randy might get a decision-win out of this fight, but I've explained already why I think that's unlikely as well.

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Chris0

While they both are very up on there ufc

they both assume they are always right agree with them or get dogged

I dared to say that when they make such statements it would be a IMO and I got blasted for it

And on topic

Randy outstruck chuck the first fight took chcuk out of his zone and took him down and kept him there on the second / third time (no one else in my memory has done this) and "big" tim and tito and VB etc

he may not punch people out but thats only one way to win

Randy loves beating people at there own game

VB & chuck outstuck

That wrestler (forgot him name and not bothered to search sorry) gatter roll outwrestled him

etc

GG has a punchers chance and he is big and mean and has skills on the ground

I see Randy surving any action on the ground 1 & 2 if GG has the skills you guys lord him with

Stood up Randy will chip away

Remember the only striker to do Randy standing that I remember is Chuck

i) eye poke
ii) slip


rounds 3 onwards I cannot see GG keeping up the action and pace Randy does

So its a round 4 or 5 fininsh under GG manages to get a points loss

All IMO of course

Gooner

"Get dogged"? Who did we dog? What words did we put into people's mouths?
We said what we thought about this match-up and you get butt hurt about it?

Let's just add "IMO" in all our sigs, so Chris here will be happy. We won't have to type it into every post that way, eh.

I'm not gonna repeat the same points I already made. I've already said how I feel about Randy "outstriking" those opponents earlier.

And
i) eye poke
ii) slip???
Gimme a ****ing break.

And it's "their" not "there".
That was not the only grammatical error you made, just the one that bothered me the most.

And yes, now you got dogged. Not because you disagreed with me, but because you're full of it.

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cujo

It's looking close to the same results of the poll I started.
UFC 74 Couture vs Gonzaga

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Osnodon

I couldn't figure out a way to word but something maybe like this "your putting thoughts in people's heads" used in the same context of putting words in other people's mouths.

You said that Belfort was too cautious because he thought that Couture was going to take him to the ground. I disagree with this statement because at that point in Belfort's career I doubt he was fearful of Couture anywhere, he his a BJJ blackbelt. He just got simply outstruck while he was in his prime.

Why is Gonzaga going to strike without worrying about the takedown? One of you talked about how Couture ended fights while striking on the ground, Gonzaga shouldn't fear that?

Sorry if any of this comes across as confusing I am trying to multitask right now and I keep forgetting what I'm even talking about.

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Chris0

So I made a typo and did not bother to word my post perfectly boo hoo

I am full of it check you! I did not post for you to reply too

And I also made a error because it reads as if I included Pitbull whit I didnt mean but hey

If you think your post bothers me then you wasted your effort typing

And for the record I didnt say you put words in other people mouths but dont let facts stand in your way.........

Like I said you know alot about the UFC but it does not make you the oracle or indeed your views do not make all others views that do not agree with you superfluous

have a good day

Gooner

It's not a "typo" when you make the same mistake multiple times. That means you just suck at your own language. LOL @ "did not bother". I'll buy that.

I never claimed I was "the oracle" or that people who disagreed with me are idiots or something, you just started whining about me dogging people when I simply stated my opinion (and what I based it on).

You too, sugar.

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Kompressor

I think if the Gonzaga that showd against Kevin Jordan shows up he's in for a long night. If not, then Randy will be.

Pitbull

I'm just stating my opinion. I don't expect people to believe or take what I say as truth. I just offer my opinion based on what I have seen from both fighters and when I compare skills versus skills.

It's been a long time since I've seen Belfort/Couture 1. But I bet Randy did the most damage on the ground.

Chuck was TKO'd in the first match. Chuck went on to KO Randy the following two times. Randy can have effective striking, and I'm not ignoring that, but against Gonzaga, he will be going up against a guy who has more power in his punching. And, Gonzaga isn't worried about the takedown. He's gonna let the fists fly.

It is evident that Gonzaga has a better submissions than strikes, so it only makes sense for him to have more wins via submission.

BTW, he TKO'd Fabricio Werdum with strikes.


I suspect you maybe a bit more sensitive to what I post since Randy is in your Top 5 faves.

And I'm not trying to brainwash people. I'm just offering an opinion.

Although Belfort is a BJJ black belt, he's never been offensive with his JJ. He uses it avoid being submitted. Vitor still takes his share of beatings on the ground.

Gonzaga is a bigger and stronger opponent. Randy has the better wrestling, and may have the better technical takedowns. But I feel that what Gonzaga lacks in technique, he makes up for it in strength and size. Randy himself has said that he dropped to LHW, because he was having trouble with the bigger guys.

Not a worry, man. Again, this is just my opinion. Of course anything can happen and either guy can win. But, looking at both competitors skills and past history, I give the edge to Gonzaga.

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