FIGHT FORUM'S Top 10 UFC Rankings - JULY

[Heatwaves]

FIGHT FORUM OFFICIAL UFC RANKINGS
JULY 2007

HEAVYWEIGHT ----------------------- Last month:
1. Randy Couture (323 points) --------------- (1)
2. Gabriel Gonzaga (274) -------------------- (3)
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (255) .----------- (2)
4. Mirko CroCop (235) ----------------------- (4)
5. Andre Arlovski (184) ---------------------- (5)
6. Tim Sylvia (171) -------------------------- (6)
7. Brandon Vera (140) .---------------------- (7)
8. Fabricio Werdum (93) --------------------- (8)
9. Jake O'Brien (64) --------------------------(9)
10. Cheik Kongo (34) ------------------------ (-)

Others receiving votes: Heath Herring (33), Frank Mir (3), Eddie Sanchez (2), and Justin McCully (1).*

* Jeff Monson also received 3 points, but he was omitted since he’s not currently under UFC contract.

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT --------------- Last month:
1. Quintin Jackson (320 points) ------------- (1)
2. Maurico Rua (256) .---------------------- (2)
3. Chuck Liddell (255) ---------------------- (3)
4. Dan Henderson (252) -------------------- (4)
5. Rashad Evans (175) .--------------------- (5)
6. Tito Ortiz (170) .------------------------- (7)
7. Lyoto Machida (151) --------------------- (6)
8. Jason Lambert (66) .---------------------- (9)
9. Michael Bisping (59) .--------------------- (8)
10. Renato Sobral (41) .-------------------- (10)

Others receiving votes: Forrest Griffin (31), Houston Alexander (16), Wilson Gouveia (11), Thiago Silva (6), Keith Jardine (6), and Matt Hamill (6).*

MIDDLEWEIGHT ---------------------- Last month:
1. Anderson Silva (327 points) ------------- (1)
2. Rich Franklin (283) .--------------------- (2)
3. Nate Marquardt (279) .------------------ (3)
4. Yushin Okami (194) --------------------- (4)
5. Martin Kampmann (186) .---------------- (5)
6. Kendall Grove (138) .-------------------- (7)
7. Evan Tanner (127) .--------------------- (-)
8. Jason McDonald (90) .------------------- (9)
9. Terry Martin (71) ----------------------- (8)
10. Thales Leites (49) --------------------- (-)

Others receiving votes: Dean Lister (22), Ed Herman (17), Ivan Salaverry (11), Travis Lutter (10), Drew McFedries (9), and Kalib Starnes (2).

WELTERWEIGHT --------------------- Last month:
1. George St. Pierre (297 points) ------------ (1)
2. Matt Serra (273) .------------------------ (3)
3. Matt Hughes (271) .---------------------- (2)
4. Josh Koscheck (214) --------------------- (4)
5. Karo Parysian (191) ---------------------- (5)
6. Jon Fitch (179) -------------------------- (7)
7. Diego Sanchez (171) --------------------- (6)
8. Mike Swick (59) -------------------------- (-)
9. Josh Burkman (45) ------------------------ (8)
10. Marcus Davis (44) ---------------------- (10)

Others receiving votes: Hayato Sakurai (30), Thiago Alves (26), Drew Fickett (8), Chris Lytle (4),and Luke Cummo (1).

LIGHTWEIGHT ---------------------- Last month:
1. Sean Sherk (317 points) ---------------- (1)
2. B.J. Penn (293) ------------------------ (2)
3. Hermes Franca (245) ------------------- (3)
4. Joe Stevenson (219) ------------------- (4)
5. Roger Huerta (191) .-------------------- (5)
6. Spencer Fisher (128) ------------------- (8)
7. Kenny Florian (110) .-------------------- (7)
8. Din Thomas (87) .----------------------- (6)
9. Joe Lauzon (49) .----------------------- (9)
10. Thiago Tavares (40) ------------------- (-)

Others receiving votes: Nate Diaz (29), Kurt Pellegrino (23), Tyson Griffin (21), Jens Pulver (19), Melvin Guillard (15), Frank Edgar (14), Clay Guida (10), Sam Stout (6), Jorge Gurgel (2), and Gleison Tibau (1).

33 Fight Forum Members submitted their selections this month., so 330 points was the maximum a fighter could earn.

This month's contributors were: Heatwaves, Pitbull, champion2k7, HaVoK, BispingKO, khodey, jm1010, Harms, Corey, FatCatMC, riversideblues, earvinarp, mepersoner, asronn, Savage, CounterPuncher, Kurtis636, Ring Raider 07, xVeritasx, Malf, Mulla, Brad, wgs2005, russhutton, TheBodybag, Gooner, GeorgeXVX, Rocky12233, p19101, Ninjabot, lambo84, sidewindergunnar, and BlingDogg.

The voting/ranking thread for August will be posted on Tuesday, July 24th.

[Gooner]

Again, not too bad of a job from FF imo.


I guess the one that I disagree with most is how high Spencer Fisher is ranked.
I think there are A LOT of guys below him who would take him down, and beat him. Obviously Sam Stout's not that guy.

[HaVoK]

A lot better than MMA weekly I must say.

[jm1010]

Not too shabby.

[Malf]

I think that our rankings are the most accurate (which is basically just opinions) that you can find on the net. That's probably because people on here actually know what they are talking about. Good job guys.

[wgs2005]

yeah its a good system, theres always a few talking points but overall very good, thanks for taking time to do this mate

[BCguy]

Overall good ratings. It kinda seems odd that GG and Bing Nog have switched places from last month. Seeing as neither of them have fought in the last month. I know its voting ... but still.

[GeorgeXVX]

i still think i liked top 5 better... just saying

[Harms]

Originally Posted by GeorgeXVX

i still think i liked top 5 better... just saying

I thought the same thing the first time, but now that I have a reference of my previous months votes and the fact that more fighters are coming from Pride, it seems much easier. I think that if you wanted to do a top 5-10 you should be allowed to though.

[subgenius]

Not bad, but I do disagree with some standings.

How does Koscheck rate better than Karo Parisyan? Is it that Koscheck won over Sanchez and Sanchez beat Karo? It does not work for me that way.

As much as I like Mirko Filipovic (see signature below), he has fallen from the top five, IMO. He had a match with Eddie Sanchez and Napao, but the first was an easy win and the second a devestating loss.

I also think Lyoto is to highly rated just yet, but I do feel that he will get ranked higher as the time passes in the next six months to a year.

Mauricio Rua has not even fought in the UFC, but now he's #2. Sorry, but that is just wrong. I like him as much as you guys, but #2 is far to generous at this time.

But, over-all the rest of the rankings look good as they are in a voting system. The problems I have with those fighters I mentioned are based on a voting system rankings. Our personal bias will place some fighters higher than they should based on popularity rather than what they have done in the UFC (or, in Rua's case, what they have not yet done).

[HaVoK]

I hope we keep the Top 10, it makes things more interesting.

[Gooner]

Originally Posted by subgenius

Not bad, but I do disagree with some standings.

How does Koscheck rate better than Karo Parisyan? Is it that Koscheck won over Sanchez and Sanchez beat Karo? It does not work for me that way.

As much as I like Mirko Filipovic (see signature below), he has fallen from the top five, IMO. He had a match with Eddie Sanchez and Napao, but the first was an easy win and the second a devestating loss.

I also think Lyoto is to highly rated just yet, but I do feel that he will get ranked higher as the time passes in the next six months to a year.

Mauricio Rua has not even fought in the UFC, but now he's #2. Sorry, but that is just wrong. I like him as much as you guys, but #2 is far to generous at this time.

But, over-all the rest of the rankings look good as they are in a voting system. The problems I have with those fighters I mentioned are based on a voting system rankings. Our personal bias will place some fighters higher than they should based on popularity rather than what they have done in the UFC (or, in Rua's case, what they have not yet done).

A lot of guys rank the fighters based on skill, and how they will/would do against each other. Not only based on their previous fights. You say that Lyoto is too high, but believe he should be there soon. People are just saying that he is a better fighter than say Lambert, Bisping and Babalu. And I agree with that completely. It's not like those three guys have better records than Lyoto anyway. I ranked him above Tito myself, and I think it's totally justified even if it's only based on records.

Why should we only take the two UFC fights into account with Crocop?
He's beaten a lot of tough guys at HW. How do AA, Sylvia, Vera or Werdum deserve a higher ranking? Because they've beaten guys like Cabbage and Eilers in the UFC?

So are you saying that Shogun shouldn't be ranked at all or that he should be lower? If not ranked at all, I can understand that (kinda, a little... struggling though).
But if you rank that guy, he has to be high, there's no way around that.
Wearing some blinders while doing the rankings and only caring about UFC-fights would get us some seriously comical rankings.

So, how would you rank Karo/Diego/Kos? Tell us, "how it works for you".
Even better, just give us your complete rankings.
You have issues with these rankings, but I bet the majority would have issues with your rankings. How does it work for you, sub? Please educate us.

[Pitbull]

Originally Posted by subgenius

Not bad, but I do disagree with some standings.

How does Koscheck rate better than Karo Parisyan? Is it that Koscheck won over Sanchez and Sanchez beat Karo? It does not work for me that way.

As much as I like Mirko Filipovic (see signature below), he has fallen from the top five, IMO. He had a match with Eddie Sanchez and Napao, but the first was an easy win and the second a devestating loss.

I also think Lyoto is to highly rated just yet, but I do feel that he will get ranked higher as the time passes in the next six months to a year.

Mauricio Rua has not even fought in the UFC, but now he's #2. Sorry, but that is just wrong. I like him as much as you guys, but #2 is far to generous at this time.

But, over-all the rest of the rankings look good as they are in a voting system. The problems I have with those fighters I mentioned are based on a voting system rankings. Our personal bias will place some fighters higher than they should based on popularity rather than what they have done in the UFC (or, in Rua's case, what they have not yet done).

Sub, this is why we need you post rankings of your own.

Will you post your rankings?

[jm1010]

Originally Posted by subgenius

Not bad, but I do disagree with some standings.

How does Koscheck rate better than Karo Parisyan? Is it that Koscheck won over Sanchez and Sanchez beat Karo? It does not work for me that way.

As much as I like Mirko Filipovic (see signature below), he has fallen from the top five, IMO. He had a match with Eddie Sanchez and Napao, but the first was an easy win and the second a devestating loss.

I also think Lyoto is to highly rated just yet, but I do feel that he will get ranked higher as the time passes in the next six months to a year.

Mauricio Rua has not even fought in the UFC, but now he's #2. Sorry, but that is just wrong. I like him as much as you guys, but #2 is far to generous at this time.

But, over-all the rest of the rankings look good as they are in a voting system. The problems I have with those fighters I mentioned are based on a voting system rankings. Our personal bias will place some fighters higher than they should based on popularity rather than what they have done in the UFC (or, in Rua's case, what they have not yet done).

Although you may have some valid arguements, you really dont have any room to complain since you didnt vote yourself.

Its like the person who complains about the president, but has never voted in his/her life.

[PrettyBoy]

Yeah IMO this is deffinitly a lot better then some other rankings ive saw latly.
Good job

[TaddT189]

Originally Posted by jm1010

Although you may have some valid arguements, you really dont have any room to complain since you didnt vote yourself.

Its like the person who complains about the president, but has never voted in his/her life.

I was going to vote but I saw how everybody was hating on Hughes ranking him like the seventh best welterweight. So I was like, "why even try?"

[jm1010]

Originally Posted by TaddT189

I was going to vote but I saw how everybody was hating on Hughes ranking him like the seventh best welterweight. So I was like, "why even try?"

I guess not too many people voted Hughes the number seven WW since he is ranked third.

[subgenius]

Originally Posted by Pitbull

Sub, this is why we need you post rankings of your own.

Will you post your rankings?

I will next time. It just takes me longer becuase I try to ignore my likes and dislikes. So, when you start the next list (August?) then I'll have a list.

I'm not saying the list you have here is bad. We all have some points of disagreement here, I think. But, I think roughly 90% of what you guys have here is accurate.

[jm1010]

Originally Posted by subgenius

I will next time. It just takes me longer becuase I try to ignore my likes and dislikes. So, when you start the next list (August?) then I'll have a list.

I'm not saying the list you have here is bad. We all have some points of disagreement here, I think. But, I think roughly 90% of what you guys have here is accurate.

Good to hear you will be voting next month.

[IrishRage]

These Rankings look fine to me , And even If they didn't who the hell cares lol

Good Job FightForum