What are the perfect examples of a UFC scoring system? - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

Nimmy · 08-06-2007, 04:30 PM

Ok guys, fights in the UFC are normally scored by the following Standup

Striking
Clinch Fighting
Takedowns
Positioning Submissions
Ground Striking
Octogon Control
Aggression

What do you think are the best examples in a fight that has been won using these factors?

Striking

GSP vs Hughes 2.

In my opinion this fight was won due to the striking adaptability of GSP, he came in with a striking game plan but ultimatly won the fight by luring Hughes into what he does best, GSP threw several leg kicks before luring hughes to grab one and switched the strike to the head, ultimatly winning the fight.

Clinch Fighting

Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin

Although its hard to look by Couture with the clinch, the most perfect example of clinch fighting was the way Anderson Silva closed the distance on franklin and tied up the Muay Thai clinch, here he controled the neck of franklin and delivered devestating knees to crush the champion, Anderson also switched the knees from the ribs to the face after successfully lowering rich's aggression and power with the rib strikes. He also lured Rich into trying to drop his hands to protect his ribs hence exposing his face.

Takedowns

Sherk vs Franca

Sherk renouned for his wrestling took the fight to the mat against the durable Franca, Sherk took the fight where he wanted to fight overpowering franca with a series of powerful, single leg and double leg takedowns. this allowed sherk to deliver ground and pound his way to a 5 round victory and neutralising Francas striking ability.

Positioning Submissions

Couture vs Van Arsedale

Randy Couture renouned for his wrestling and tactical ability in fights brought his submission game against a world class wreslter in Mike Van Arsedale, Couture enevitably fought this fight on the mat, changing position on many occasions to show a rare glimpse of his submission wreslting technique. positoning a world class wrestler is hard for most BJJ blackbelts nevermind a greco roman wreslter, but couture controled van Arsdale and locked in an Anaconda coke after manourvering his opponent into the position to control and maniplulate the difficult choke for a rare and impressive submission victory.

Ground Striking

Loiseau vs Tanner

Known for his devestating elbows the crow was fresh off an impressive highligh reel filled victory over Charles Chainsaw McCarthy. A tough opponent in ground and pound himself Tanner had lost to the champion Franklin the fight before due to ref stoppage, Loiseau took tanner down and mounted againt the cage delivering razor sharp elbow after elbow to Tanner leaving him in a bloody mess with torn facial features like he just asked a glasgow street gang what time the Edinburgh train came.

Octogon Control

Couture vs Liddell 1

Before randy was captain america and the Iceman got his number the 2 squared off in a battle to obtain a chance at tito's coveted belt. the iceman even then was a renouned striker on a 10 fight win streak and fresh from removing parts of babalus face from his shin, squared off against the non fancied Couture, Couture won the fight by taking the game to Chuck and using the cage as his friend, randy continually pressed chuck around the cage and took him down after closing the distance, eventually getting the stoppage after 3 rounds of octogon action. This was the start of Randys legacy of a tactical mastermind.

Aggression

Franklin vs Loiseau

Broken hand and all franklin took the dangerous Loiseau to the mat and unleashed a fury of punching to the beak of the crow. Franklins aggression and never die attitude allowed him to mould Loiseau's placticine face into an elephant man sculpture. Franklin took this aggression into his bout with McDonald and dominated in a similar fashion.

Id be interested to see if you guys had any other examples that you thought warrented a textbook case that the judges could use to see how it was done.

Cacti45 · 08-06-2007, 04:57 PM

Huerta vs Garcia, was what came to mind for aggression

subgenius · 08-06-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nimmy

Ok guys, fights in the UFC are normally scored by the following Standup

Striking
Clinch Fighting
Takedowns
Positioning Submissions
Ground Striking
Octogon Control
Aggression

You added in some stuff. Officially, there are only four corners to what the judges look at: EFFECTIVE striking, grappling, octagon control, and aggression. They show those four before each PPV, UFN, and Unleashed. Often, submission attempts will not have any affect on the judges decison. Takedowns fall under grappling. Clinching is not considered in judging, unless it leads to a takedown or effective striking. GnP is a grey area. Is it grappling? Is it effective striking? Is it aggression?

stillstanding · 08-06-2007, 06:00 PM

what about takedown defense? In my mind, the takedown defense in scoring is unappreciated. Im not saying that a takedown should equal a takedown defended. But I am saying that takedown defense should be scored a little higher.

duke09 · 08-06-2007, 09:45 PM

1) that is a helluva nice post. nimmy. excellent work man. i also think your examples are stellar.

2) i dont agree with the scoring, to be honest. here re a few reasons:

a) if a fighter is getting laid on but tries to throw elbows or sub attempts from the ottom, he should be rewarded for it. too many LnP decisions, imo. if kenflo got points for his efforts from his back, which i think a fighter should, it would have been a closer scorecard at the end.

b) sprawls should count for points. if a fighter sprawls, he is controlling the octagon and the pace of the fight, imo.

c) failed sub attempts should also score. much like 'a' (above), if a fighter is just LnPing, but the bottom guy is trying to sub him, why does the LnPer get the points? that is sily to me.

d) not a complaint, but i wonder who wins rounds. i would like to see the actual scorecard, if possible. consider if fighter A is pwning the other fighter for 2:33 of a round, but then buddy B comes back and wins the next 2:27. i have seen many fights where a fighter loses the last minute of the fight and thus loses the entire round. wtf? even teh corner men say: lasty 60 secs, leave an impression!!

e) takedowns should only count of it leads to a vulnerable postion for the other fighter. shoot after shoot after LnP after shoot after stand up after LnP drives me nuts. see sherk franca, for example. while i agree that it was a clinic put on by sherk, it seemed as though he didnt want to do anything other than shoot and lay. no wonder he won the fight based on the scoring criteria, but come on. just laying there and not putting your opponent in jeopardy should not be rewarded to the extent that it is. didnt pride have yellow cards for timidness or being to tentative?

Nimmy · 08-07-2007, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

You added in some stuff. Officially, there are only four corners to what the judges look at: EFFECTIVE striking, grappling, octagon control, and aggression. They show those four before each PPV, UFN, and Unleashed. Often, submission attempts will not have any affect on the judges decison. Takedowns fall under grappling. Clinching is not considered in judging, unless it leads to a takedown or effective striking. GnP is a grey area. Is it grappling? Is it effective striking? Is it aggression?

your right man i did add a few things in, i took the official scoring from another promotion as i thought that the NSAC would use the same scoring in all events

subgenius · 08-07-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimmy

your right man i did add a few things in, i took the official scoring from another promotion as i thought that the NSAC would use the same scoring in all events

I wish that they would use the scoring system that you listed. I think that many of us have complained in the past about the narrow view that the four corners system utilizes. There has always been so much more to MMA in the UFC than just effective striking, grappling, octagon control, and aggression. Or, at least break those up to make it easier to rank more of the actions.

Also, lack of aggression should be grounds for taking points away. As should any aspect of the fight that takes away from the action and excitement. But, that gets into a grey area. Many people think that grappling is boring and lacks excitement. I disagree with that, but we've seen that attitude before.