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Drexal · 09-07-2007, 09:32 PM

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Breaking Down the UFC’s Middleweight Division (and Building it Back up)

middleweightsUsually when I conduct an interview for CBSSports.com, my editor and I end up making edits that can sometimes leave a third of the original Q&A session on the cutting-room floor. There’s an exception to that rule, and that exception would be Dana White.

The transcript of my recent interview with the UFC’s president you see on CBSSports.com is basically how the exact conversation went. Only one cut was made, and it had to do with a question pertaining to the future of the middleweight title picture in the UFC.

The best part about interviewing White is that he doesn’t dodge any questions. He gives you a straight answer or tells you he can’t answer the question and usually explains why. As such, I was a little surprised when I asked him about the middleweight division and an answer didn’t immediately pop into his head.

The exchange went as follows:

Question: After Anderson Silva and Rich Franklin face each other at UFC 77, who do you think will be in the middleweight title picture as far as contenders are concerned?

Dana White: God, you know? Off the top of my head, I couldn’t even answer that. I’ve got to see what happens with those two and then go from there.

I asked him the question because I sincerely would like to know what’s going on in the UFC’s middleweight division. It’s the weakest division in the promotion right now, and there aren’t any legitimate contenders lined up for a title shot after Silva vs. Franklin II. If Silva wins the rematch, the division is in trouble because Franklin is the last legitimate contender out there right now.

The crazy thing is, if Franklin wins, then the division is still in trouble because unless we see Franklin vs. Silva III, what other marquee title matchup is there?

The UFC middleweight division not only needs a short-term boost, but there are long-term questions as well. You can only have Franklin and Silva fight each other so many times, and at a certain point, the division will need an infusion of new impact players.

I was left with plenty of questions following White’s response and decided to do some brainstorming to come up with some answers of my own. I elected to break down all the possible short-term and long-term ways that the UFC could remake the middleweight division:

Throw established mid-level fighters into title contention.

The UFC could try to put a Band-Aid on the situation by turning to some familiar names who are simply not number one contenders right now. The top options include:

* Jason MacDonald/Yushin Okami — I’m combining MacDonald and Okami because they will be fighting each other at UFC 77. The winner of this match could be in line for a title shot if Silva defeats Franklin. The UFC will have major short-term problems, though, if Franklin wins because he already holds recent victories over both Okami and MacDonald. The UFC would have a hard time selling Franklin vs. Okami or Franklin vs. MacDonald as anything more than a UFC Fight Night main event.
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* Nate Marquardt — Man, did he ever fall off the face of the earth? I think the fact that Marquardt lost so quickly and decisively to Silva at UFC 73 really hurt his stock. The fact that he has a reputation for not having the most exciting fights is another issue. I like Marquardt as a fighter because he’s so well-rounded, and I believe he should be given a chance to earn another shot, but there doesn’t seem like any sense of urgency to have him start climbing the ladder again.
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* Dean Lister — His Jiu-Jitsu credentials cannot be questioned, and he was one fight away from fighting for the title before losing to Marquardt at UFC Fight Night 8 in January. When reports surfaced last week that he was coming back, it was said that he had put in a request to fight the Silva vs. Franklin winner. I’m sorry, but I don’t see that happening. What’s the point of having a winner to determine a No. 1 contender if the loser ends up getting a title shot anyway? If Lister wants a title shot, then he’ll have to earn it.
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* Evan Tanner — I don’t want to leave any stone unturned, and that’s why I’m including Tanner. He has the skill to make one more run at the title, but he’s just so unreliable. Oh, there’s also the fact that he’s apparently not currently under contract.

Final Analysis: If Silva beats Franklin, then it seems likely his next title defense would be against Okami or MacDonald. While either matchup would be legitimate, is Silva vs. Okami or Silva vs. MacDonald going to get anyone excited about the middleweight division?

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Look to lesser established names currently on the roster.

The UFC has a few less-established fighters who are currently working their way up the ladder. While these fighters have plenty of potential, it’s uncertain if they are ready to contend for the title right now.

* Terry Martin — Martin has been impressive since dropping down from light heavyweight by showing impressive power. His next fight is scheduled for UFC Fight Night 11 on Sept. 19 against Chris Leben, a match that I have little doubt he’ll win. If he cuts through Leben in impressive fashion in front of a large television audience, then it wouldn’t surprise me if he were selected to fight the winner of Franklin vs. Silva. But is he a legitimate contender for the title right now? He’s still rather short for 185 and would be giving up a lot of reach against Franklin or Silva. Martin’s ground game is also a bit of a mystery right now. Having him fight for the title within the next six months might be rushing things, and both the UFC and Martin would benefit from waiting.
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* Martin Kampmann — Next to Silva, Kampmann might be the best technical striker in the division. But while his technique is excellent, his power is not. He’s more of a combination striker at this point and not someone who is a threat to knock someone out with one shot. When he fought Drew McFedries at UFC 68, he was landing more punches, but McFedries was landing more power shots. Kampmann realized it was a losing battle, and the former Muay Thai champion decided to get the fight on the ground, where he was able to win with an arm triangle at 4:06 of round one. I’m concerned that he might be a little small for the division, and as such, I just don’t see him hanging with Silva or Franklin. The even bigger concern is that he’s injured, and there’s not a definitive timetable for his return.
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* Drew McFedries – It didn’t look like he was too far away from a title shot after he steamrolled Jordan Radev in 33 seconds at UFC Fight Night 10 on June 12. The heavy-handed MFS product has a ton of potential and is definitely a fighter to keep an eye on. He’d be a contender for the title if not for the fact he’s still at least seven months from fighting after contracting staph infection last month. McFedries could be a long-term solution, but he can’t provide the immediate help that the division needs.
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* Thales Leites — Leites is 12-1 and currently on a three-fight win streak in the UFC. He’s bounced back nicely after losing a unanimous decision to Kampmann during The Ultimate Fighter 4 Finale. His ground game is exceptional, and the UFC has high hopes for him, but he’s simply not ready. You could put him in a title situation, but not enough people know about him, and his standup isn’t ready for Franklin or Silva. The UFC could potentially ruin a good thing by not exercising some patience. Leites needs to headline a couple of Spike TV events and get some notable wins on his resume against guys like Lister, Leben or Patrick Cote.
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* Kendall Grove — By his own admission, he felt he was more than a year away from competing for the title. And that was before the upset loss to Cote at UFC 74. Grove is a multidimensional fighter who works very hard at his game, so he’ll be back. I’m just not sure how soon.

Final Analysis: McFedries and Kampmann are both on the shelf and will each need at least two wins upon their returns before they can contend. Kampmann could be a year away from fighting for the title, and McFedries could be a year and a half away. Leites needs more time time to develop. The guy here to watch is Martin. If he beats Leben in convincing fashion, then the UFC might be able to get away with Silva vs. Martin or Franklin vs. Martin as a non-main event title match.

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I think this is a great article and makes some very valid points.

Just where is the UFC MW division going to go after Silva vs Franklin 2?

Shpongled · 09-07-2007, 09:44 PM

I really, really wanna see Loiseau come back. He'd be an instant contender as far as I'm concerned. His fight with Franklin was a true war, and I think he really got the shaft when Dana released him from his contract. I bet he'd beat Swick if they fought again.

Ztous · 09-07-2007, 10:31 PM

Grove makes the list but not Cote who just knoked him out? Cote would be a great choice for a title fight if Franklin loses. He would go into the fight against a great striker and while Cote is not as good technically as Silva he has a powerful punch and can take a beating.

raconteur8 · 09-07-2007, 10:41 PM

Err..Frank Shamrock,anyone?

champion2k7 · 09-07-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ztous

Grove makes the list but not Cote who just knoked him out? Cote would be a great choice for a title fight if Franklin loses. He would go into the fight against a great striker and while Cote is not as good technically as Silva he has a powerful punch and can take a beating.

I would say put Cote up there put you cant. His record in the UFC is just not good enough. 2-4 and a title contender? Not happenin.

Toshinden · 09-07-2007, 10:49 PM

Yeah, I've mentioned a number of times before that I was pissed about Loiseau's release, especially after Leben loses so many fights (in the same division, no less) and gets called back time after time. This is getting ridiculous; the more I think about the future of the MW division, the more depressing it becomes...

Harms · 09-08-2007, 01:06 PM

All I have to say is things like a weak division can change rather quickly. If you go back a year, you would see tons of threads on an extremely weak HW division and now it is one of the strongest.

IrishRage · 09-08-2007, 01:25 PM

Martin Kampmann Is the real deal I wish he would of had a chance to fight Rich Franklin Instead of him getting Okami but regardless , after Silva makes Rich look like a fool In there rematch It will probably be Dan henderson vs Silva but If dan just wants to stay at 205 a Kampmann vs Silva fight would probably be next In line but even that might be a miss match.
Terry Martin, Drew McFedries, Nate Marquardt, Dean Lister, Jason MacDonald, are all great at what they do but have Giant size holes In there game wether It be fantastic ground games with horible stand and strike skills or fantastic power but no ground skills .
Evan tanner Is awesome but age at this point might be his Issue because he doesn't have the Randy ageless power trip going on . Thales Leites might be the best bet but time will tell with him So you best be hoping like I am that Dan wants that MW belt

wilshaw · 09-08-2007, 01:30 PM

Sign kung le, its simple.
Le would be in or amongst it from the start as he is easily a better fighter than mcdonald or okami, A fight between him and silva would be awesome.

williamN · 09-08-2007, 01:42 PM

Kampmann couldn't hang with McFedries standing so standing with Silva would be suicide and I don't see him subbing Silva.

Kampmann is also too small.

I said it before. The UFC is waiting to see if Franklin gets the belt back. If he does the UFC will take their time getting true contenders in the UFC. If Silva wins again the UFC will be signing top MW fighters left and right.

khodey · 09-08-2007, 01:43 PM

Well the point pretty much is that the UFC are going to have to start signing some new MW fighters. Anyway you look at it. The division has alot of TUFers in it, most of them might not see title shots, Unless they go on some winning spree, and make a big name for themselves. Bring back Loiseau, maybe sign some more talent, and bring in fighters from Pride. Ie Denis Kang, Cung Le.

Toshinden · 09-08-2007, 02:58 PM

Hey, I just thought of something - what the hell happened to Nate Quarry? I know he was injured, but wasn't there talks about him finally being ready to compete again? Whatever happened to those plans?

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Originally Posted by williamN

I said it before. The UFC is waiting to see if Franklin gets the belt back. If he does the UFC will take their time getting true contenders in the UFC. If Silva wins again the UFC will be signing top MW fighters left and right.

This makes it sound like they're playing favourites with Franklin, and for a while maybe they were, but ever since Anderson won the belt, he's become a fan favourite. Fans were bitter for a short time afterwards because Franklin was the nice guy that everybody loved who happened to be wearing the belt, and then along comes a superior striker after just 1 win in the UFC to take it all away (not to mention messing up Rich's face something fierce). Eventually, though, fans came to love Silva - it's not like the guy does a lot of trash talking to his opponents before his fights; if anything, he's just as respectful as Rich was when he was the champ. The UFC still loves Franklin, but they love Silva now too - both fighters are exciting, and I think they'll be signing the same people regardless of who wins the rematch.