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Report: UFC�s Negotiations with �Fedor� Hit a Snag
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Flying Triangle Choke
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Posted 12:34 pm, 09/17/2007
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russhutton | Hey! A little off topic, but how can you say that Herring "sucked while he was in Pride too"??? A 13-5 record there isn't too shabby...especially when your only losses came from the likes of Fedor, Nogueria x2, Cro Cop and a weight handicapped match against Belfort. I recall him earning a title shot against Nogueria by beating two of Pride's best at the time in Kerr and Vovchanchyn. I won't argue that he is no longer in the "cream of the crop", but he was definitely considered to be one of MMA's top HW's back in the early part of the decade....... |
You're right, that was a bit harsh. I apologize for that. He didn't suck, what I meant is that he was never quite one of the elite when he was there, and especially wasn't anywhere close to that elite level by the time he went to the UFC. Just to sum up my views on the whole Pride vs. UFC thing once and for all: (Note, I'm talking about UFC vs. Pride before Pride lost the Fuji TV deal) I think the guys at the top of the weight classes in both the UFC and Pride were about even, just that Pride had more depth(remember for a while the UFC was giving heavyweight title shots to the likes of Paul Buentello and Justin Eilers) in each division(except for 170 obviously since they didn't have that). Another thing I have to mention that's really pissed me off in this thread is people claiming that Fedor must be scared. Do you people really believe this? What evidence at all have you seen from any of his fights that he would be afraid of any opponent? Especially with the people he's beaten in his career. I'm not saying there's nobody in the UFC that could possibly beat him(anyone who's read my posts has seen that I've said I think Randy could do it), but to say that he's scared to go there is just stupid. Some of the Dana nuthugging going on here is just crazy. I don't hate him as much as some(like Aika), but some of you are acting like he's some God who can do no wrong.
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russhutton
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Posted 5:01 am, 09/17/2007
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PrideOwnsUFC | And who are all these other Pride fighters that have "struggled"? Aside from Cro Cop that is. Don't even dare use Herring to illustrate that point either, because quite frankly, he even sucked while he was in Pride too. Sometimes you guys make it sound like dozens of Pride fighters have come in and all have gone like 0-10 in the UFC or something. |
Hey! A little off topic, but how can you say that Herring "sucked while he was in Pride too"??? A 13-5 record there isn't too shabby...especially when your only losses came from the likes of Fedor, Nogueria x2, Cro Cop and a weight handicapped match against Belfort. I recall him earning a title shot against Nogueria by beating two of Pride's best at the time in Kerr and Vovchanchyn. I won't argue that he is no longer in the "cream of the crop", but he was definitely considered to be one of MMA's top HW's back in the early part of the decade.......
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stillstanding
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Posted 1:12 am, 09/17/2007
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I am not only looking at records but how they performed. Rampage struggled his first fight. (Didnt look that sharp), Cro Cop is 1-2. Herring was not the creme of the crop but he lost to who!?! Noguera had a bad showing against Herring. The only one that did somewhat well was Henderson and he lost.
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Flying Triangle Choke
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Posted 10:57 pm, 09/16/2007
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subgenius | He's not really a hardcore PRIDE Fighter. He only had five fights in PRIDE and that was over three years ago. I don't see Anderson Silva as a PRIDE Fighter. He never really achieved anything there. I don't think that he was even top ten in PRIDE while he was there. |
This argument could actually be used in favor of the Pride fighters though. Anderson Silva, who clearly while he was in Pride wasn't anywhere near the top of his weight class, went into the UFC and almost immediately destroyed the guy who not only was at the top of the class at that time(Franklin obviously), but a guy who the UFC was also trying to make one of their mainstay poster boys. Speaking of that, can anyone remember when some people even on this very forum were calling Franklin a top 5 pound for pound fighter?
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Flying Triangle Choke
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Posted 10:54 pm, 09/16/2007
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stillstanding | :rolleyes: I am not refering to Rampage. As you know Rampage fought in the cage with Lindland. and the majority of Pride fighters have struggled. There are some exceptions (rampage( but look at the others. Rampage also looked shaky against Eastman in his first fight.
So my post is still correct:rolleyes: |
And who are all these other Pride fighters that have "struggled"? Aside from Cro Cop that is. Don't even dare use Herring to illustrate that point either, because quite frankly, he even sucked while he was in Pride too. Sometimes you guys make it sound like dozens of Pride fighters have come in and all have gone like 0-10 in the UFC or something.
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subgenius
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Posted 6:38 pm, 09/16/2007
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BCguy | lol , are we gonna get into this again ? |
I'm going to just call him a Cage Rage fighter from now on, LOL. He has a 4-0 CR record and has more recent fights with CR than with PRIDE Fighting.
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BCguy
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Posted 4:31 pm, 09/16/2007
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subgenius | He's not really a hardcore PRIDE Fighter. He only had five fights in PRIDE and that was over three years ago. I don't see Anderson Silva as a PRIDE Fighter. He never really achieved anything there. I don't think that he was even top ten in PRIDE while he was there. |
lol , are we gonna get into this again ?
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KungFuGrip
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Posted 11:53 am, 09/16/2007
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I'm all about Fedor doing whats right for him, even if its not in the UFC. He will go down as one of the best fighters (or the best)in history, no doubt. With all the rest of the top talent in the UFC Fedor and Josh Barnett's high rankings will slowly deteriate in the years to come. I think if Barnett and Fedor fight and if Fedor won he could preserve his number 1 status for a little while longer. Then what, Fedor vs Cabbage or Antinio Silva?
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subgenius
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Posted 10:19 am, 09/16/2007
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UFCfan2309 | Anderson Silva has really struggled :rolleyes: |
He's not really a hardcore PRIDE Fighter. He only had five fights in PRIDE and that was over three years ago. I don't see Anderson Silva as a PRIDE Fighter. He never really achieved anything there. I don't think that he was even top ten in PRIDE while he was there.
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LEFTHIGHKICK
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Posted 6:44 am, 09/16/2007
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russhutton | Wow...
I can't believe that anyone would think that Fedor needs to get into the UFC to "prove himself". Ask 99% of today's fighters who the best pound for pound fighter in MMA is and they will tell you it is Fedor. As "the man", Fedor doesn't need to go seeking UFC fighters to prove anything-they need to seek him out where ever it is he ends up. The guy's accomplishments to date are amazing, but apparently, no matter who or how many times he fights in the future, there's always going to be "that one fighter" he didn't face to prove himself...
Anyways, as a UFC fan, I would love to see him get in there for some legendary fights...However, as a MMA fan, I have my fingers crossed that he decides to go elsewhere and be the groundstone for one of the smaller organizations to burst out huge... |
I think you are referring to my post before hand about proving himself. Let me explain myself a little better. Fedor does not need to prove himself! , he is world MMA champion with a near flawless MMA record. But I think getting into the UFC will be the ultimate test for him, fighting on completely different terms (shorter rounds), different rules , different environment (cage instead of a ring) , a new set of fighters. Now if he can dominate the UFC like he dominated PRIDE , that really says more about Fedor as a mixed martial artist , instead of people saying , "well he didnt fight in the UFC, so who knows exactly how good he is" , there will be people saying , "he dominated PRIDE and dominated UFC , Fedor is clearly one of the best heavyweight fighters in the world". And it'd just be awesome to see him fight on completely different conditions, to really test him out. and is Mark Hunt on the way to getting signed with UFC?
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UFCfan2309
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Posted 5:03 am, 09/16/2007
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stillstanding | :rolleyes: I am not refering to Rampage. As you know Rampage fought in the cage with Lindland. and the majority of Pride fighters have struggled. There are some exceptions (rampage( but look at the others. Rampage also looked shaky against Eastman in his first fight.
So my post is still correct:rolleyes: |
Anderson Silva has really struggled :rolleyes:
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russhutton
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Posted 4:14 am, 09/16/2007
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stillstanding | I don't mean to sound like a jackass but I hope that the other smaller org don't explode and acquire many good fighters. Cuz then we will have the whole Pride thing again. We would have these dream matchups that we would never get to see. Now we can see them. Just look how great this past year has become. |
You definitely dont come off as an ass, as I see your point and it's a great one. For dream fights to happen, the organizations would have to put their egos aside for the betterment of MMA, but that is easier said then done when so much money is involved... There is no arguement from me that the past year in the UFC has been nothing short of amazing. However, imagine how great it would be to not have to wait between UFC's to see another card with top fighters and could do so on a EliteXC or a Cage Rage show... My love for MMA includes the UFC, but far exceeds just it. I don't want to see it monopolized by just one outfit, as I enjoy the variety of the way the different shows present it... I know I am a minority in wishing Fedor goes elsewhere, but I don't want to see the smaller shows fold and they need some of the top guys like him to ensure they don't. The smaller organizations may take away from the UFC and UFC-only-fans, but they help MMA as a whole to grow and cement itself as a sport...
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stillstanding
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Posted 2:28 am, 09/16/2007
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I don't mean to sound like a jackass but I hope that the other smaller org don't explode and acquire many good fighters. Cuz then we will have the whole Pride thing again. We would have these dream matchups that we would never get to see. Now we can see them. Just look how great this past year has become.
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russhutton
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Posted 2:01 am, 09/16/2007
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Wow...
I can't believe that anyone would think that Fedor needs to get into the UFC to "prove himself". Ask 99% of today's fighters who the best pound for pound fighter in MMA is and they will tell you it is Fedor. As "the man", Fedor doesn't need to go seeking UFC fighters to prove anything-they need to seek him out where ever it is he ends up. The guy's accomplishments to date are amazing, but apparently, no matter who or how many times he fights in the future, there's always going to be "that one fighter" he didn't face to prove himself...
Anyways, as a UFC fan, I would love to see him get in there for some legendary fights...However, as a MMA fan, I have my fingers crossed that he decides to go elsewhere and be the groundstone for one of the smaller organizations to burst out huge...
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Kentified
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Posted 11:43 pm, 09/15/2007
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GSPALLTHEWAY | thanks for the info doc....
the more this goes on, the more ill route against fedor in every fight... give the fans what they want and stop with this stupid contract BS |
Your right, he should fight for free. In fact, he should have to pay to fight in the UFC, since it's such an honor. Come on, Dana tries to pull a quick one on Fedors management and suddenly Fedor is ducking the UFC? The guy has to support himself, props to him for pushing Dana and not accepting the BS offers he was given right away. The man was and probably still is one of the most dominant fighters ever in MMA, he deserves his due credit and the pay that comes with that. If he was so concerned about his legacy he wouldn't have agreed to fight Lindland who alot of people saw as the biggest threat to him.
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NWCrazy
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Posted 11:04 pm, 09/15/2007
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>>>...but a final contact that arrived at the fighter�s camp contained terms that were �absolutely different� than what had originally been negotiated,...
C'mon people. Fedor isn't ducking the UFC....and he is NOT afraid of the cage. That's just crazy talk. It's business....and only about business. If the terms of the contract were altered, Fedor would be stupid to sign. Who the h3ll would sign a contract that's been altered? Let's just wait and see what happens next.
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stillstanding
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Posted 10:39 pm, 09/15/2007
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:rolleyes: I am not refering to Rampage. As you know Rampage fought in the cage with Lindland. and the majority of Pride fighters have struggled. There are some exceptions (rampage( but look at the others. Rampage also looked shaky against Eastman in his first fight.
So my post is still correct:rolleyes:
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fullonshred
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Posted 9:13 pm, 09/15/2007
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stillstanding | To be quite honest. I don't care anymore. Fedor is great yeah, but he hasn't fought top talent in over a year and the other big pride names have had trouble in the ufc. Also I'm tired of "contract looks to be signed.....nope, contract has conflicts". |
You're right. Rampage has really struggled.:rolleyes:
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KRONOS
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Posted 8:16 pm, 09/15/2007
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tropicana | personaly I think that if they negotiaed something and tried to pull a fast one and change something on the hard copy. Fedor should stick it to Zuffa Hard |
I agree with that too...I can see Dana doing that.
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tropicana
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Posted 7:47 pm, 09/15/2007
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personaly I think that if they negotiaed something and tried to pull a fast one and change something on the hard copy. Fedor should stick it to Zuffa Hard
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