I think it's the right move honestly. I wouldn't want to see Chuck tarnish his legacy any further.
Source: UFC's biggest star ponders retirement - MMA/Boxing - Yahoo! SportsUFC's biggest star ponders retirement
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports
UFC president Dana White said Sunday that after a lengthy conversation with “The Iceman” Chuck Liddell Saturday, he would not be surprised if Liddell retires from mixed martial arts competition.
Liddell, a former UFC light heavyweight champion and its biggest drawing card, lost his second fight in a row on Saturday when he dropped a split decision to Keith Jardine at UFC 76 at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif.
Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, who knocked Liddell out in the first round of a May 26 bout in Las Vegas to lift the light heavyweight title from him, speculated that Liddell may have been gun-shy.
But White, Liddell's former manager and a close personal friend, speculated that Liddell may simply no longer have the passion to fight. White said he didn't see the fire that Liddell used to exhibit and that it resulted in a flat performance. At the post-fight news conference, Liddell deferred questions about his future. He said he would go home and think about whether he would fight again, which in and of itself was newsworthy since he'd never had given an indication before that he was remotely considering that option.
But White said he spoke with Liddell in the locker room and they had a frank discussion.
"There's a hunger thing that you have to have to be an elite fighter and I just didn't see a Chuck Liddell who was as hungry as he used to be," White said Sunday. "Chuck has made a lot of money in this business and he's done a lot of things, but he wasn't the Chuck of old.
"Chuck was never a guy who fought for money; he fought because he loved to fight. He'd just as soon go out and fight in the back yard for free as fight before 20,000 people on a card he was making a ton of money because he just loved to fight."
Jackson said he wasn't sure Liddell was willing to stand in the pocket and trade blows, hallmarks of a career that will soon land Liddell in the UFC's Hall of Fame.
Jackson couldn't pinpoint why, but suggested some fighters have difficulty overcoming a knockout loss. "I think Chuck was probably a little gun-shy," Jackson said. "I went through it when I lost to Wanderlei (Silva) and so I know what it's like. I could see it. Jardine was, too, but not as gun-shy as Chuck.
"It depends on the person and how strong they are for how long it takes to get that out of you."
Liddell dismissed the notion, saying "I don't feel it affected me."
White sided with Liddell on that issue and pointed to the way Liddell came out quickly at the start of the fight. He landed a right hand early that raised a welt on Jardine's bald head, though Jardine joked after the fight that "Sometimes, I start bleeding when I walk into the cage."
White said he thought Liddell became fatigued and discussed Liddell's training habits with him. Liddell is a night owl who likes to attend clubs even in the nights before he fights.
But White said Sunday that Liddell told him that he had taken good care of himself and wasn't club-hopping.
"He said he was getting his sleep and he was eating the right things and that he wasn't going out at all," White said. "I don't know. Chuck just wasn't Chuck. That's not the kind of a fight I'm going to remember Chuck for when he eventually does quit. "Chuck was a guy with that killer instinct. Remember the way he went right after Tito (Ortiz) in their first fight? That's kind of the perfect example of who Chuck Liddell was as a fighter, but I didn't see those same things last night."
If Liddell retires, the UFC will lose its top drawing card. Liddell was the main drawing card in the three biggest live gates in the company's history and in North American mixed martial arts history. His Dec. 30 rematch with Ortiz at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas brought in a record live gate of $5.39 million.
But White said the UFC will survive even if Liddell opts to retire.
"At the end of the day, we have so many talented fighters in the UFC that we'll be fine," White said. "We're not a one-trick pony, that's for sure. Chuck is always going to be a part of the UFC, whether he's fighting or not, but we're definitely not going to be in any kind of trouble if he quits.
"He needs to do what's right for him and not worry about us. This isn't the kind of sport you can be in half-heartedly. If you don't have the passion for it, it's time to get out. Only Chuck really knows how he feels, but you wonder because he hasn't looked the same, fire-wise, in either of these last two fights."
Hmm, looks like the rumours could be true. I hope he fights Wanderlei before he goes, it would be a great fight to finish on, as long as he comes in shape and hungry for a good fight to end on.
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I think it's the right move honestly. I wouldn't want to see Chuck tarnish his legacy any further.
Well man I would hate to see him go and if he does I assume he is just going to take a break and not quit. I don't see him fighting anyone else if he is thinking this way. I don't blame him though. I would guess that he knows he has a lot of years left fighting in him and hit name is big enough that he can come back but maybe he just wants to take some time and enjoy the fruits of his labor. If he did step out I see him having a great time enjoying the good life for a while and when that void is fullfilled he will have a new void which is not fighting and competing he then he will have his head back in the right place. Great post!!![]()
I would like to still see Chuck vs Wanderlai as his final match, but there was something not right with Liddell after the fight, so it might be the right decision, he is nearing 40 also, so he hasn't got too many years left in him anyway, but I would rather see him leave with a win against Wandy or at least a hyped fight like Wandy.
I would love to see Chuck go back to knocking people out again but in the end it is Chuck's choice on what the future holds.
I wish Chuck the best with his future. But you gotta wonder how Dana feels now that he spent all that time and money to bring Wanderlei over just to fight Chuck. Now what?
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Tito against the axe murderer would be great. I would rather see that than a Tito vs. Evans rematch.
It would also give him a chance at avenging his loss to Tito.
Liddell will fight Silva. Don't worry, folks. I am sure White will get on that pretty soon. They are testing the waters now that Chuck lost to Jardine to see if they can sell the fight.
If Liddell were to lose against Silva and then retire, it would not nearly be as bad as retiring after losing to Jardine. Now, if Liddell were to defeat Silva (honestly, I don't know how), then he should retire and he would do it with a bang!
The fight's on.
chuck do whats right for chuck....i thought jardine was gunna win because of the rampge chuck fight.... i had a feeling he would be gun shy...rampage scares chuck i think just rampages presence in the ufc will always scare chuck... but the point is the rampage fight shook chuck... i will be happy for him either way though...no matter what he does...
i still think wanderlei can be a decent force in the octagon though nublood... its just hard to say with the pride fighters (cc and shogun!) getting overwhelmed...hes definetely a scary guy
- Shogun
- Rampage
- Bones
- Anderson Silva
- Nick Diaz
- Marcus Davis
- Cro Cop
He'll be around for quite a while. He's just sulking, like they all do after a couple losses.
I don't want Chuck to stay around to long like Ken Shamrock did and just get embarrassed. He has had a great career would be a shame to keep fighting if he's not into it anymore.
Chuck doesn't care what we think. But..... I think he needs to decide whether he can and will give 100% to fighting again, and if he cannot then he should at the least take an extended leave to see how he feels about it. Then if he finds the fire returning and can give 100% to training maybe have a"comeback" like Coture.
Shogun ends the debate![]()
Shogun ends the debate
I said it a few months ago that if Liddell lost to Jardine, then it would make the Silva-Liddell fight more likely to take place. Wanderlei Silva has had two KO losses in his last two fights. Chuck Liddell has had a KO loss and a loss to Jardine in Liddell's last two fight. Both Wanderlei Silva and Chuck Liddell need a big win and that would be the outcome of Silva-Liddell.
And, as others mentioned, if Liddell retired after a loss to Wanderlei, then it would not have been a bad way to go out. And, since Wanderlei is younger than Liddell (I think Wanderlei is 31), then a big win over Liddell would be a great way to land in the UFC with a running start. A loss for Wanderlei would not be such a bad thing, but it would hurt for either fighter to lose three in a row.
But, Liddell could retire happy, if he KO'd or otherwise defeated Wanderlei Silva.
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I don't know how true it is but i heard Chuck lost his long term girlfriend/wife before last christmas and hasnt been the same since which if it is true would explain a lot. However, even if this isnt true there is something definatley wrong inside Chuck Liddells head at the moment, the chuck that we are seeing at the moment could never have been at the top of the lhw food chain for so long, he looks like a completely different fighter.
I think Chuck needs to take some time out and decide what he wants from life, if he doesnt want to fight anymore then people should respect his wishes and wish him all the best, he has been a great pioneer for mma and the ufc in particular and has been a fantastic champion so whatever he decides he will always be a legend.