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CounterPuncher · 09-26-2007, 07:13 PM

MMANEWS.COM | Shogun Talks Griffin Loss, Has Knee Surgery Scheduled

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The following is an excerpt from an article in a local Curitiba, Brazil newspaper roughly translated from Portuguese to English:

“I was Really very sad, was the worse defeat of my career”, declared Shogun. Previously, a broken arm - in the fight against Mark Coleman - and a finishing against Renato “Babalu” Sobral in 2003 had been the only defeats of the "curitibano".

“I had never gassed as i gassed in this fight. But he does not advance to invent excuses, the error was mine, I did not train as he would have, I did not concentrate myself, had had other things that had confused, but it also had merits. "I learned a lesson from this and now i will have to train to comeback stronger”, relieved the fighter.

In the fight, the breath lack made with that the "curitibano" searched all the time to knock down Griffin, but without success. The exchange of blows also was engaged. “As i gassed, i wanted to decide on the ground, in a top position. At the beginning, the objective was to fight standing and to decide there, but as the time went by, i got very tired”, lamented.

Beyond the problems in the preparation, Shogun also blamed an injury in one of the knees as one of the problems faced for him in the last two months. “I busted the ligament during trainings, I was limited, i could not run, i could not thresh right. Still though, i trained sufficiently, but not enough”, he affirmed.

To decide the problem, Shogun disclosed that “it will go for the surgery” already on this friday (28). “I'll have a knee surgery on friday and must be away from training for the next three months. For what I talked with the master Rudimar (Fedrigo), I'll only comeback to fight in January or February”. The goal, although the defeat, follows being the same one: “The goal is the belt, the fight continues”, concluded.

So it seems he might not have taken Griffin too seriously. His knee also could have had something to do with the not training as hard. But he doesn't use that as an excuse and I hope to see him back as soon as we can.

x.MMA.x · 09-26-2007, 07:20 PM

Aw, jezz just when I though he was coming back, but I knew something was wrong with him when I watched the fight and figured hed be gone again.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 09-26-2007, 07:24 PM

so much for no excuses

FightFan76 · 09-26-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPALLTHEWAY

so much for no excuses

Thats what I was thinking.....

As if people here were not already making them for him.....

x.MMA.x · 09-26-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FightFan76

Thats what I was thinking.....

As if people here were not already making them for him.....

Its in newbs' nature to make excuses for their favorite fighters.

OneTwoPunch · 09-26-2007, 07:35 PM

Yeah he definatley didn't take Forrest seriously and he definatley paid the price.

OneBigThrow · 09-26-2007, 08:14 PM

i cant believe someone in this thread says he made no excuses, while quoting the mother****in excuses shogun made, can you be any less serious?

CounterPuncher · 09-26-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OneBigThrow

i cant believe someone in this thread says he made no excuses, while quoting the mother****in excuses shogun made, can you be any less serious?

Jeez, calm down. The excuses that you said he made, imo aren't really excuses.He didn't say that is why he lost and that he would beat Forrest the next time or anything. He admitted that Forrest was better than him that night. Maybe he didn't train hard. If he didn't that is not an excuse, it is a fact. But either way he definitely should have trained harder, and that is all on him.

OneBigThrow · 09-26-2007, 09:56 PM

Those Excuses Arent Really Excuses

GSPALLTHEWAY · 09-26-2007, 10:38 PM

LOL you guys ... its hard to real all this now....

at first he didnt make any excuses (and i said i liked him even more then before) now, as read above, hes making excuses.. they ARE excuses... i just dont care to hear about them... he lost, and got beat by a better fighter that night... thats it

OneBigThrow · 09-26-2007, 10:44 PM

i mean if Sylvia had uttered the exact same words, this guy would be ready to lynch him and he knows it

Kurtis636 · 09-27-2007, 04:07 AM

So is there any way to report an injury without it sounding like an excuse? He admits that he probably didn't train hard enough and that Forrest was the better fighter on that night. He's going in for knee surgery. In no way does he disparage Griffin or say that he would have won if.... What else can you tell a reporter when they ask about a loss, especially one in which a fighter looked totally out of character?

Crazy · 09-27-2007, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurtis636

So is there any way to report an injury without it sounding like an excuse? He admits that he probably didn't train hard enough and that Forrest was the better fighter on that night. He's going in for knee surgery. In no way does he disparage Griffin or say that he would have won if.... What else can you tell a reporter when they ask about a loss, especially one in which a fighter looked totally out of character?

Agrea. This is a not easy doing right. I rememer Fedor going out stating he had a bad toe so it would not sound like a excuse after the match with Randleman. Then you have an excuse no matter how the match goes.
If you win people will say you are a hero, if you loose youre still a hero for taking the match. I think this is actually worse. It gives you a garanti instead.

When it comes to excuses was it not our own hero Randy who sayd afer loosing to Belfort saying that it was not a real loos cus he got knocked down by a lucky punch?Some kind of a champ??? That is actually the worst excuse I ever seen. Since UFC love him so much they have not botterd to upoload this match and I have not seen it so somone please fill me in if Rogan does not tell the story good enoug in UFC49

I gues it`s har no matter how you say anything. He should have just sayd that he got a knee injury=I can`t see that this would have helped anything cus then people would have speculated even more which would maybe have taken a lot away from Forest Gifins win.

CounterPuncher · 09-27-2007, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OneBigThrow

i mean if Sylvia had uttered the exact same words, this guy would be ready to lynch him and he knows it

Actually I like Sylvia. I also wanted Griffin to win so it's not that I was saying that because I like him or anything.

CounterPuncher · 09-27-2007, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurtis636

So is there any way to report an injury without it sounding like an excuse? He admits that he probably didn't train hard enough and that Forrest was the better fighter on that night. He's going in for knee surgery. In no way does he disparage Griffin or say that he would have won if.... What else can you tell a reporter when they ask about a loss, especially one in which a fighter looked totally out of character?

Yeah I completely agree with this.

I just couldn't make my response sound this good.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 09-27-2007, 07:03 AM

heres a response....

ill be undergoing knee surgery and will need 3 months off... forrest won the fight, i gave it my best and will try to rehab and come back stronger then ever....

i dont need to hear about how he couldnt train as hard as he should have....
he didnt, he gassed, and he lost to a grade B fighter....

ROUGH debuts and starts for othe pride superstars.... very rough...

Gooner · 09-27-2007, 07:14 AM

I see nothing wrong with fighters telling about some injury they had after a fight.
I'm sure he would have mentioned it even if he had won. Then it wouldn't have been an "excuse".

It's another thing though, when a fighter repeatedly makes baseless accusations about vaseline on the legs/arms, juicing etc.

In conclusion:
Shogun - good
Tito - bad

StratTone · 09-27-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

MMANEWS.COM | Shogun Talks Griffin Loss, Has Knee Surgery Scheduled

So it seems he might not have taken Griffin too seriously. His knee also could have had something to do with the not training as hard. But he doesn't use that as an excuse and I hope to see him back as soon as we can.

Yeah but he will be back. He is a great fighter.

Saskabush · 09-27-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FightFan76

Thats what I was thinking.....

As if people here were not already making them for him.....

Have you ever seen Shogun fight outside of the UFC? Obviously you haven't, making excuses is not out of the question when you see how much of a different fighter he was in his octagon debut. Something was amiss.

asronn · 09-27-2007, 08:41 AM

wow now I see why Dana is always badmouthing internet websites. Some of your are just retarded. He says in the interview that he didnt train like he should have. Its a fact that he needs knee surgery.

"the error was mine, I did not train as he would have, I did not concentrate myself, had had other things that had confused, but it also had merits. "I learned a lesson from this and now i will have to train to comeback stronger”

"Still though, i trained sufficiently, but not enough”, he affirmed.

He admits he didnt give it his full effort. He said he learned a lesson and will be prepared for his next fight. If you read between the lines and the transation, it sounds like he took Forrest lightly and paid the price. Why is everyone jumping all over the guy.