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Dr.Chicago · 10-03-2007, 04:57 PM

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Josh Barnett: "Not all Pride fighters struggle in the UFC"

October 3rd, 2007

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“I have no idea why some are struggling to adjust. With Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, he just made one mistake and ran into Heath Herring’s leg. That is a big leg so it is going to take some steam out of you. Nog recovered well and I think that other than that kick he dominated the rest of the fight. At the same time Quinton Jackson and Anderson Sylva in my eyes are PRIDE fighters. So you could say that PRIDE owns two belts in the UFC right now. Both of those guys fought almost all their fights and made their name in PRIDE. They are PRIDE fighters. It is easy to throw a UFC label on Jackson because he is American. He only fought one fight in the cage with WFA before he went to the UFC.”

– Former UFC heavyweight champion Josh Barnett talks with PunchDrunkGamer.com about the recent performances of PRIDE FC fighters inside the Octagon. Despite losses from fighters such as Mirko Cro Cop, Mauricio Shogun Rua, Dan Henderson, Heath Herring, Kazuhiro Nakamura and Marcus Aurelio, “The Baby Face Assassin” argues that two former PRIDE FC veterans are current UFC champions. The free agent also reveals that he wants to compete in Pancrase and a fight with Randy Couture would “never happen.”

In my opinion..

Pride fighters that performed great: Rampage, Silva, Henderson (despite his loss)

Pride fighters that performed poorly: Cro Cop, Shogun, Nogueira (despite his win)

The guy who enjoys saying that "UFC fighters are way better than Pride's" the most is Mr. White (who obviously has bad blood with Barnett)

DoQ1 · 10-03-2007, 05:05 PM

Well in all actuality it is the fans of Pride (in its hay day) that said These fighters are gods, and they are 10 times better.........etc

Well if they were so good why dont they have all the belts, the law of probability dictates that their would be some losses and victories (belts).
But not the Runaway that was predicted.

Overall, the UFC is much richer for the experience and as a fan of MMA I think it adds heat to the fights for me.

Crazy · 10-03-2007, 05:10 PM

Did I see the Nogueira and Heat Herring match so diffrent from anyone else?
Nogueira won a very hard fight for him and after he dived into a kick that would not been any harder if cro cop had hit the target.
He came back and won the moust exciting game of the event.
Still I see everyone being disapointed with him.
Nogueira is not even a top 5 HW for me still I think moust people are unfair with him and give him no credit for the biggest heart I have ever seen in MMA history. That guy never give up.

daveyxx · 10-03-2007, 05:18 PM

agreed that not all pride fighters struggle in the ufc. but it kinda seems that the ones that came over first (rampage, silva) have done well. herring isnt doing so bad also.

it just seems like ufc fighters and its fans are putting so much pressure on the incoming pride fighters..

Crazy · 10-03-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by daveyxx

agreed that not all pride fighters struggle in the ufc. but it kinda seems that the ones that came over first (rampage, silva) have done well. herring isnt doing so bad also.

it just seems like ufc fighters and its fans are putting so much pressure on the incoming pride fighters..

Totaly agrea with you. The pressure is not easy to live up to.
You are not only supose to win, you should be dominate and end it with a knockout against people who have lost like 2 or 1 matches before.
Silly thinking for me. They are all fighters.

Pride fighters lost matches before they came to Pride

2 people fighting in a cage. Somone got to loose. Not even a year have passed after UFC bought Pride. 2 pride figthers got a belt. The best HW is not here wich do not mean he will come and win it but I think Pride have done ok.
Some one have been disapointing like Shogun and Crocop but Cro Cop have lost some matches before in his time and I am sure he will be back.

I think the swap from cage to ring is hard for some and easy for others. In about 3 years we will se who is the best. Even Dana pointed that out.
For once I agrea with him......

Jawshattera · 10-03-2007, 05:45 PM

barnett continue's too speak freely and probably biasly b/c he knows dana will never let him into the ufc......

theEmpiric · 10-03-2007, 05:47 PM

crazy, I completely agree with what u said, except to be fair, rampage and silva were in the ufc before the ufc bought pride....

jut helpin out

Crazy · 10-03-2007, 06:16 PM

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crazy, I completely agree with what u said, except to be fair, rampage and silva were in the ufc before the ufc bought pride....

jut helpin out

Thanks m8

Forgot all about that, hehe

LEFTHIGHKICK · 10-03-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jawshattera

barnett continue's too speak freely and probably biasly b/c he knows dana will never let him into the ufc......

why wont dana ever let him in??

Flying Triangle Choke · 10-03-2007, 11:36 PM

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why wont dana ever let him in??

If I may speak bluntly...because Dana is an *******. No, I'm not bashing how he's done in his job, just how he seems as a person. *prepares for the flamings*

SubNoid · 10-04-2007, 12:25 AM

Let's see what will happen in 2008, this year has been crazy all over (upsets regarding both UFC and Pride champs). This can't go on. And yes, Barnett needs to be in the UFC.

Bomber · 10-04-2007, 07:59 AM

I've always felt that the UFC and Pride had comparable talent. What I see happening now is that the UFC guys have an advantage because it's in the US, in the cage, under UFC rules. If Pride had bought UFC, and these fights were in Japan, in a ring, with Pride rules, the UFC fighters would be struggling just as much.

It's meaningless to say that Pride fighters have 2 belts. The UFC is bringing in the best of Pride. Of course they're competing for the belts, that's the whole point. And of course they will win some. If they were to win them all, that would mean something, but of course they won't.

Crazy · 10-04-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

I've always felt that the UFC and Pride had comparable talent. What I see happening now is that the UFC guys have an advantage because it's in the US, in the cage, under UFC rules. If Pride had bought UFC, and these fights were in Japan, in a ring, with Pride rules, the UFC fighters would be struggling just as much.

It's meaningless to say that Pride fighters have 2 belts. The UFC is bringing in the best of Pride. Of course they're competing for the belts, that's the whole point. And of course they will win some. If they were to win them all, that would mean something, but of course they won't.

We are only saying Pride got two belts cus people are asking why pride is doing so bad. It shows that not everyone is struggeling.
Why is this meaningless? It means some of the Pride fighter is doing ok.
I am trying to give everyone a more realistic point of view.
This is only meaningless if you belive old Pride fighters should have all titles by now.

FightFan76 · 10-04-2007, 08:51 AM

I personally could care less where any of the fighters came from. They are all in 1 place now and when a guy wins a belt I am not going to sit there and think to myself "did this guy come from PRIDE" b/c it really does NOT matter. So I say lets just be happy that we really can see who is the best "in the world" in each weight division and not worry about who is better out of PRIDE and the UFC.....

Bomber · 10-04-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazy

We are only saying Pride got two belts cus people are asking why pride is doing so bad. It shows that not everyone is struggeling.
Why is this meaningless? It means some of the Pride fighter is doing ok.
I am trying to give everyone a more realistic point of view.
This is only meaningless if you belive old Pride fighters should have all titles by now.

I think Pride and UFC are equals and always have been. But there were a LOT of people on the net who thought Pride would sweep the UFC belts, and now there are some people who say that Pride fighters are highly overrated. I expect some Pride fighters will have belts, and some UFC fighters will have belts, because the talent in both orgs was comparable, ie the best in the world. Maybe "meaningless" wasn't the best choice of word. What I mean to say is, it's expected that Pride fighters will take some belts, because they are equal to the UFC fighters, not across the board better or worse.

T-Bone · 10-04-2007, 09:07 AM

Yup, some will struggle, some won't...for whatever reason. I still think it was pretty cool that Nick Diaz forced Gomi to tap (whether Gomi trained seriously or not).

I'm just glad that stupid announcer lady isn't in the UFC.

jonnyboyee · 10-04-2007, 12:09 PM

I'd like to quote Josh Barnett because as I remember didn't Rampage fight in KOTC.Isnt that a cage? I sure it is so i beleive he has more than one fight in a cage unlike what Barnett stated that he only had one fight in a cage

subgenius · 10-04-2007, 12:40 PM

I respect Josh Barnett's opinion, but he is wrong about Anderson Silva.

Barnett (talking about Silva and Rampage): "Both of those guys fought almost all their fights and made their name in PRIDE."

That's just wrong. Anderson Silva has had 23 fights in MMA. Only five were fought in PRIDE Fighting. He has beaten far better opponents OUTSIDE of the PRIDE Fighting promotion.

So, Josh Barnett was trying too hard to stretch the skills of the PRIDE Fighters.

subgenius · 10-04-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnyboyee

I'd like to quote Josh Barnett because as I remember didn't Rampage fight in KOTC.Isnt that a cage? I sure it is so i beleive he has more than one fight in a cage unlike what Barnett stated that he only had one fight in a cage

Rampage had four KOTC matches way back before he went into PRIDE. He also had four Gladiator Challenge matches, which used the same cage as KOTC. So, he has had experience in a cage.

MTKrav911 · 10-04-2007, 01:41 PM

I've just always thought UFC fighters had more athleticism than Pride fighters.

To me, that makes all the difference.