Randy Couture To Hold A Press Conference At X-Treme Couture

Dr.Chicago · 10-26-2007, 01:20 PM

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fullonshred · 10-26-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dsfightfan

Where are all the Fedor haters? Couture admitted to not taking a 3 million dollar fight against Fedor - was he "scared"?

Exactly. I thought the same thing you posted. It is ridiculous to me to think either Randy or Fedor are truly "scared" and ducking each other. But a number of folks didn't seem to mind saying Fedor was ducking Randy with less evidence than we have in Randy turning down a $3 million fight that he was legally free to take at the time.

stoneskid · 10-26-2007, 06:04 PM

UFC f'd randy, and I am sad to see him go.

StratTone · 10-26-2007, 08:53 PM

Dude for a guy that says its not about the money that is all he talks about!!! Damn Randy what happened to you?

Dr.Chicago · 10-27-2007, 12:56 PM

This is from an article out today by Josh Gross, the editor of Sherdog.com..

Sherdog.com

A real quote worthy was at the end.. To me, that says it all..

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"This is the last statement I'm going to make," Couture told Sherdog.com. "Those guys know the truth. Dana knows in his heart of hearts what's gone on. I'm not gonna sit and debate every time they want to spin something their way. It's not about money. They could offer me $5 million -- I'm gone. I know how I feel. I know what's what. I'm tired of it."

subgenius · 10-27-2007, 01:17 PM

Randy Couture really needs to stop talking to the press. He keeps contradicting himself and he is ruining his own legacy as bad or worse than what Fedor has been doing to his own legacy. Is this really how Fedor and Randy want to be remembered?

bayouboy · 10-27-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stoneskid

UFC f'd randy, and I am sad to see him go.

Sorry Skid but I would say the UFC made Randy a rich man. Not only did he make a lot of money with them but his popularity through the UFC is what has led to the movie deals.

Pitbull · 10-27-2007, 01:28 PM

Yeah, Randy has really ruined his legacy. I can't believe Randy would leave the UFC over money. He had so much to prove and he's the best fighter he's ever been!

Who really cares?!

Randy has always come across as a man of integrity to me, and he stood up for what he believed in.

He said he was going to take his contract one fight at a time at the time he signed it, he said he had 4 fights on his contract but could leave at any time, and thats what he did.

Nothing has been tarnished. The guy will still go down as one of the greatest MMA fighters even if he never fights again.

subgenius · 10-27-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull

Yeah, Randy has really ruined his legacy. I can't believe Randy would leave the UFC over money. He had so much to prove and he's the best fighter he's ever been!

Who really cares?!

Randy has always come across as a man of integrity to me, and he stood up for what he believed in.

He said he was going to take his contract one fight at a time at the time he signed it, he said he had 4 fights on his contract but could leave at any time, and thats what he did.

Nothing has been tarnished. The guy will still go down as one of the greatest MMA fighters even if he never fights again.

I care. Every time Randy Couture talks about this mess he makes statements that contradict himself and that even make less and less sense every time he says them. His integrity is slipping fast. He has a contract, and he really needs to honor THAT contract. I doubt that he meant he would quit after two fights when he spoke about taking this one fight at a time. He needs to leave honorably. Otherwise, he's just as low as he claims that Zuffa and Dana White are low. A lot had been tarnished here. But, it is not Couture's in-ring or in-octagon presence or persona that is hurt. It his outside one that's being tarnished.

Pitbull · 10-27-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I care. Every time Randy Couture talks about this mess he makes statements that contradict himself and that even make less and less sense every time he says them. His integrity is slipping fast. He has a contract, and he really needs to honor THAT contract. I doubt that he meant he would quit after two fights when he spoke about taking this one fight at a time. He needs to leave honorably. Otherwise, he's just as low as he claims that Zuffa and Dana White are low. A lot had been tarnished here. But, it is not Couture's in-ring or in-octagon presence or persona that is hurt. It his outside one that's being tarnished.

Well Subgenius, I guess you hold people to higher standards than I do.

I admire that.

subgenius · 10-27-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull

Well Subgenius, I guess you hold people to higher standards than I do.

I admire that.

Is honoring his contract really such a high standard?

Should we not admire the guys that did honor their contracts?

I mean, BJ Penn went through similar issues a while back when he fought Duane "Bang" Ludwig after BJ Penn won the UFC world WW championship. BJ Penn was stripped of the title, and the UFC took him to court. In order to end the court fight that had gone on for a few years BJ Penn came back to the UFC with a new contract. He has honored that contract ever since.

So, did Randy Couture not know about that situation with BJ Penn? I would have thought that the championship exclusivity clause issue would have been well know to Couture. And, that the UFC would fight in court to make him honor the contract. I don't see the UFC as a dark evil force with regard to BJ Penn and Randy Couture's money and contract issues (despite my signature, which was meant as a joke).

The Bodybag · 10-27-2007, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Is honoring his contract really such a high standard?

Should we not admire the guys that did honor their contracts?

I mean, BJ Penn went through similar issues a while back when he fought Duane "Bang" Ludwig after BJ Penn won the UFC world WW championship. BJ Penn was stripped of the title, and the UFC took him to court. In order to end the court fight that had gone on for a few years BJ Penn came back to the UFC with a new contract. He has honored that contract ever since.

So, did Randy Couture not know about that situation with BJ Penn? I would have thought that the championship exclusivity clause issue would have been well know to Couture. And, that the UFC would fight in court to make him honor the contract. I don't see the UFC as a dark evil force with regard to BJ Penn and Randy Couture's money and contract issues (despite my signature, which was meant as a joke).

Randy went through this years ago and was stripped of the HW title as well. Also BJ was planning on fighting elsewhere, Randy says he is still loyal at this point. Also to say that his unhonorable and losing integrity is ridiculous. Contracts should be honored but there are variations to every rule, you can not just have a set rule for every single issue and not have an exception to it.

Pitbull · 10-27-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Is honoring his contract really such a high standard?

He did honor it.

Randy said that when he signed his new contract he was going to take it one fight at a time and he didn't half to fulfill all four fights.

He said he didn't have to take all four fights when he signed his contract.
He didn't take all fours fights.
Contract honored.

subgenius · 10-27-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bodybag

Randy went through this years ago and was stripped of the HW title as well. Also BJ was planning on fighting elsewhere, Randy says he is still loyal at this point. Also to say that his unhonorable and losing integrity is ridiculous. Contracts should be honored but there are variations to every rule, you can not just have a set rule for every single issue and not have an exception to it.

Well, the UFC has a set rule. They want ALL fighters to honor the contract that they signed. I never heard them say that contract renegotiation was never allowed. Also, with a four-fight contract and possibly a four-fight winning streak with one fight a title victory and three title defenses, Randy Couture could very well have negotiated the BEST contract in the UFC bar none. The potential after his next two fights could have been tremendous.

And, my opinion is that Randy Couture is the one in the wrong in this situation with the UFC this time around. On a case-by-case basis, I am sure that the UFC has been wrong in some instances. I think that Couture's reasons for his quitting and the title issue and contract issues were caused by him and he has not made great sense. I think that, in my opinion, his out of ring or octagon status has taken huge blows. Maybe you disagree, maybe you agree. I don't think that I'm alone in my opinion.

subgenius · 10-27-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitbull

He did honor it.

Randy said that when he signed his new contract he was going to take it one fight at a time and he didn't half to fulfill all four fights.

He said he didn't have to take all four fights when he signed his contract.
He didn't take all fours fights.
Contract honored.

Maybe Randy Couture did not read his contract. The UFC says different. And, I bet that they win in court, if Randy Couture allows this to go that far.

Pitbull · 10-27-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Maybe Randy Couture did not read his contract. The UFC says different. And, I bet that they win in court, if Randy Couture allows this to go that far.

Yeah, I'm sure Randy just carelessly signed a contract of which he didn't know the terms.

The Bodybag · 10-27-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Well, the UFC has a set rule. They want ALL fighters to honor the contract that they signed. I never heard them say that contract renegotiation was never allowed. Also, with a four-fight contract and possibly a four-fight winning streak with one fight a title victory and three title defenses, Randy Couture could very well have negotiated the BEST contract in the UFC bar none. The potential after his next two fights could have been tremendous.

And, my opinion is that Randy Couture is the one in the wrong in this situation with the UFC this time around. On a case-by-case basis, I am sure that the UFC has been wrong in some instances. I think that Couture's reasons for his quitting and the title issue and contract issues were caused by him and he has not made great sense. I think that, in my opinion, his out of ring or octagon status has taken huge blows. Maybe you disagree, maybe you agree. I don't think that I'm alone in my opinion.

Im not arguing who is in the right and who is in the wrong. I was arguing the issue of his integrity. And also about him not hearing of what happened to BJ Penn. No one knows who is right at this point, but even if Randy is, I think no less of him in or out of the cage. This is where **** gets ****ed, people staining legendary status by including contract disputes instead of his ridiculously classic fights and outstanding character. The man gives all proceeds from his store to the US troops, changed millions of opinions on MMA, and has been nothing but the perfect stencil for athletic roll models. Like he said he could have went to Bodog and has him dream fight for huge sums of cash, but is loyal is hell.

subgenius · 10-27-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bodybag

Im not arguing who is in the right and who is in the wrong. I was arguing the issue of his integrity. And also about him not hearing of what happened to BJ Penn. No one knows who is right at this point, but even if Randy is, I think no less of him in or out of the cage. This is where **** gets ****ed, people staining legendary status by including contract disputes instead of his ridiculously classic fights and outstanding character. The man gives all proceeds from his store to the US troops, changed millions of opinions on MMA, and has been nothing but the perfect stencil for athletic roll models. Like he said he could have went to Bodog and has him dream fight for huge sums of cash, but is loyal is hell.

Well, I can only say that the UFC helped facilitate most of what Randy Couture was able to do with his success. I mean, 18 out of his 24 fights in MMA have been in the UFC. Randy Couture has only two note whorty fights outside of the UFC, which were fights against Jeremy Horn (win) and Valentijn Overeem (loss). The UFC did not have to give Randy Couture a huge contract after two losses to Chuck Liddell. A huge contract compared to like 95% of the rest of the UFC. The UFC gave Randy Couture a title shot on his first return match when he came out of retirement. And, they gave Randy Couture a lot of exposure as a commentator at UFC PPV events. It seems to me that the UFC did a lot for Randy Couture.

The Bodybag · 10-27-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Well, I can only say that the UFC helped facilitate most of what Randy Couture was able to do with his success. I mean, 18 out of his 24 fights in MMA have been in the UFC. Randy Couture has only two note whorty fights outside of the UFC, which were fights against Jeremy Horn (win) and Valentijn Overeem (loss). The UFC did not have to give Randy Couture a huge contract after two losses to Chuck Liddell. A huge contract compared to like 95% of the rest of the UFC. The UFC gave Randy Couture a title shot on his first return match when he came out of retirement. And, they gave Randy Couture a lot of exposure as a commentator at UFC PPV events. It seems to me that the UFC did a lot for Randy Couture.

A couple things. Again I that is not what I am arguing. I am not against the UFC, if there are two things I hold above all else they are Randy Couture and The UFC. Secondly, you make it sound like Randy was the UFC's charity case. He had 18 of his fights there because he was champion throught the majority. And him not having a big career outside the UFC? Like I said he was offered a fight against Fedor elsewhere, his outside career was dulled due to his loyalty to the brand. And not every person switches around throughout companies. And yes Randy had a bigger contract than most of the UFC, because he was a 4 time champion coming out of retirement and has had some of the biggest selling ppv's in history. Giving Randy Couture "alot of exposure as a commentator" is a ****ing idiotic statement. He is a 44-year-old, 5 time champion, has a gym that guys are fighting to get into train with him. Sitting along Mike Goldberg was not what got Couture's name out to the public.

But again this had nothing to do with my point, I just questioned your statements about Couture's lack of integrity. But when I read this post I had to respond.

AikaImmortal · 10-27-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Randy Couture has only two note whorty fights outside of the UFC, which were fights against Jeremy Horn (win) and Valentijn Overeem (loss)

What about fighting Enson Inoue when he was at the top of his career and embodying all of the 'yamato damashii' spirit at the first Vale Tudo Japan event.. which caused even predominate Shooto to alter rules to allow strikes on the ground? How about facing off against former UFC fighter Tsuyoshi Kosaka in RINGS?