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Gooner · 10-25-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by the preach man

Last I heard "today around 4 o'clock est Dana white said that he is the current champ. buddy....

And? Last I heard he's also left the org and is not coming back. Your point?

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Also, I dont live in the world of cudda, shudda, wudda. I prefer to look at the facts aka TRUTH.

You should try living in the world of correct grammar as well.

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Untill Fedor can compete in the UFC he is not the #1 HW just like Cro-Cop is not the #2 HW(remember he was the #2 guy in PRIDE second only to Fedor, and on top of that many ppl thought that CroCop had passed Fedor after he won the GrandPrix).

That's nonsense. But it's also your opinion, so I value it deeply.

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By Your logic Shogun was the #1 fighter in the world untill the POWERHOUSE Forrest made him tap. I personally dont believe that Forrest is a world class powerhouse and I also think your logic is lackluster.

What logic is lackluster? My logic that Fedor has a record that is A LOT more impressive than the one Randy has?
Your logic seems to be that capturing a UFC-belt instantly makes someone the best fighter in the world at that weight class. That's not "lackluster", that's just retarded.

the preach man · 10-25-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

And? Last I heard he's also left the org and is not coming back. Your point?

You should try living in the world of correct grammar as well.

That's nonsense. But it's also your opinion, so I value it deeply.

What logic is lackluster? My logic that Fedor has a record that is A LOT more impressive than the one Randy has?
Your logic seems to be that capturing a UFC-belt instantly makes someone the best fighter in the world at that weight class. That's not "lackluster", that's just retarded.

Well, we are obviously not going to agree on this so enjoy your opinion and i'll enjoy mine.

subgenius · 10-25-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

What logic is lackluster? My logic that Fedor has a record that is A LOT more impressive than the one Randy has?
Your logic seems to be that capturing a UFC-belt instantly makes someone the best fighter in the world at that weight class. That's not "lackluster", that's just retarded.

Yeah, but Fedor fought in PRIDE Fighting not the UFC octagon where PRIDE Fighters get chewed up and spit out. Okay, okay, that was a gross exaggeration. But, a decent argument has been forming based on poor octagon (UFC rules) performances by the PRIDE Fighters. And please, don't cling to Anderson Silva like every fight he ever had was in PRIDE Fighting.

The defacto BEST in any class is the champion. The fact of the matter is that Fedor defended his title twice in two years and against guys that would not, in all due likelihood, do well in the UFC. Coleman was not a serious challenge and neither was Hunt. I doubt that Hunt will even do well in the UFC, if he ever fights in the UFC.

So, despite a great record, what has Fedor done lately that we should allow him to be the best HW? Was it that fight with Zuluzinho? Lindland? All you are left with are two relatively easy wins for Fedor against coleman and Hunt LAST YEAR.

riversideblues · 10-25-2007, 09:43 PM

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Guys don't forget.

Randy's press conference starts in about 20 mins.

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If you haven't registered yet, you may want to register while we listen to Dana.

the sound was ridiculously low, what was he saying?

the preach man · 10-25-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Yeah, but Fedor fought in PRIDE Fighting not the UFC octagon where PRIDE Fighters get chewed up and spit out. Okay, okay, that was a gross exaggeration. But, a decent argument has been forming based on poor octagon (UFC rules) performances by the PRIDE Fighters. And please, don't cling to Anderson Silva like every fight he ever had was in PRIDE Fighting.

The defacto BEST in any class is the champion. The fact of the matter is that Fedor defended his title twice in two years and against guys that would not, in all due likelihood, do well in the UFC. Coleman was not a serious challenge and neither was Hunt. I doubt that Hunt will even do well in the UFC, if he ever fights in the UFC.

So, despite a great record, what has Fedor done lately that we should allow him to be the best HW? Was it that fight with Zuluzinho? Lindland? All you are left with are two relatively easy wins for Fedor against coleman and Hunt LAST YEAR.

Now that was a post full of facts and truth. Grammar, on the other hand, im not so sure of but lots of facts for sure.

Pitbull · 10-25-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by riversideblues

the sound was ridiculously low, what was he saying?

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-Randy has 9 months left on his UFC contract.
-Dana and Lorenzo never responded to Randy before he left to South Africa 6 weeks ago
-Randy did not receive a fight bonus check after his fight with Gonzaga
-Randy talked to Dana and Lorenzo yesterday
-Randy said Dana says he would like Randy to come back
-Randy feels that the UFC no longer issues a cut of the PPV buys to the fighters, because the UFC like to protect the exact amount of PPV purchases
-90% of the bonus money he earns for fights is paid within the first 90 days of the fight, and smaller, subsequent checks are issued on later dates
-He has yet to receive any bonus money for the Gonzaga fight
-Randy was offered a deal from Bodog to fight Fedor before he signed to fight Tim Sylvia

Gooner · 10-26-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Yeah, but Fedor fought in PRIDE Fighting not the UFC octagon where PRIDE Fighters get chewed up and spit out. Okay, okay, that was a gross exaggeration. But, a decent argument has been forming based on poor octagon (UFC rules) performances by the PRIDE Fighters. And please, don't cling to Anderson Silva like every fight he ever had was in PRIDE Fighting.

Don't cling to?
Dude, I'm not the one bringing up all this UFC vs. PRIDE-stuff in off topic-threads.

You like writing off PRIDE, so I've felt necessary to make a couple points.
The fact of the matter is, Anderson Silva is a former PRIDE fighter. As in, he used to fight for PRIDE(, I don't give a rat's ass about "most of his fights"... moot point). And he didn't do that great either, he did OK. Then he came over to the UFC, dominated everyone including the dominant champ in Rich Franklin.

Rampage did a little bit better in PRIDE, but he was never the champ either.
Then he came over and dominated the dominant champ.

Okay, that was gross exaggeration... no wait, no it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by subgenius

The defacto BEST in any class is the champion. The fact of the matter is that Fedor defended his title twice in two years and against guys that would not, in all due likelihood, do well in the UFC. Coleman was not a serious challenge and neither was Hunt. I doubt that Hunt will even do well in the UFC, if he ever fights in the UFC.

So, despite a great record, what has Fedor done lately that we should allow him to be the best HW? Was it that fight with Zuluzinho? Lindland? All you are left with are two relatively easy wins for Fedor against coleman and Hunt LAST YEAR.

Well, we're gonna have to disagree about that.
Holding the belt doesn't make anyone the best de facto. Especially as the UFC clearly doesn't have ALL the top talent in its organization.
I mean, what are you gonna do with this logic of yours if/when another PRIDE-style challenger shows up on the scene (with half of the top talent)?

Yeah, he hasn't fought a lot lately. Maybe his fight org getting smashed had something to do with it, I don't know. Obviously, keeping him at #1 forever if he's not fighting top talent, would be stupid. But I have a feeling he'll be fighting soon. I'm not ready to rank someone like Randy above him just yet. What if Fedor fights, say, Barnett in a couple months and beats him?
Are you gonna flip-flop again?
Or maybe call Barnett a has-been?

xxzone · 10-26-2007, 11:34 AM

Holy aggression batman! Seek therapy!

subgenius · 10-26-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

Don't cling to?
You like writing off PRIDE, so I've felt necessary to make a couple points.
The fact of the matter is, Anderson Silva is a former PRIDE fighter. As in, he used to fight for PRIDE(, I don't give a rat's ass about "most of his fights"... moot point). And he didn't do that great either, he did OK. Then he came over to the UFC, dominated everyone including the dominant champ in Rich Franklin.

You DO cling. You are holding on to Anderson Silva for dear life. You said, "...he did OK. Then he came over to the UFC..." But, THAT is complete BS. Anderson Silva had two PRIDE fights in 2002, and two in 2003. Then one more in 2004. He THEN went over to Cage Rage and ROTR. He debuted in the UFC in June 2006. And, yeah, he HAS had only five fights in PRIDE Fighting out of 24 fights total in his career.

So, he's not nearly the typical PRIDE Fighter like Cro-Cop, Henderson, Rampage, Shogun, Noguiera, and others. Saying Anderson Silva is a PRIDE fighter would allow me to say that Wanderlei Silva is a UFC fighter simply because Wanderlei had a few UFC fights way back in the day in 1999 and 2000. So, I consider Anderson Silva a journeyman fighter that had a few matches in PRIDE Fighting along with many others in many other promotions. You could just as easily describe him as a Cage Rage fighter or a Meca fighter. At least Rampage had roughtly half of his fights in PRIDE Fighting and had only one fight in one promotion between his 17 PRIDE fights and his three UFC fights.

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Well, we're gonna have to disagree about that.
Holding the belt doesn't make anyone the best de facto. Especially as the UFC clearly doesn't have ALL the top talent in its organization.
I mean, what are you gonna do with this logic of yours if/when another PRIDE-style challenger shows up on the scene (with half of the top talent)?

Yeah, he hasn't fought a lot lately. Maybe his fight org getting smashed had something to do with it, I don't know. Obviously, keeping him at #1 forever if he's not fighting top talent, would be stupid. But I have a feeling he'll be fighting soon. I'm not ready to rank someone like Randy above him just yet. What if Fedor fights, say, Barnett in a couple months and beats him?
Are you gonna flip-flop again?
Or maybe call Barnett a has-been?

I don't care what any other promotion has. The UFC is the top MMA promotion. You don't have PRIDE Fighting anymore to fall back on in that discussion. That means, IMO, that the UFC titles are the top positions. And, it means that the title holders are the best in that weight class in the UFC. And, the UFC buying PRIDE Fighting did not cause the Fedor-Zulu match to happen. Nor did it cause Fedor-Coleman or Fedor-Hunt.

Josh Barnett has not fought since December 2006, just like Fedor. But, I am impressed with Barnett's 2006 activity. He had seven fights with a 5-2 record in 2006. He went 1-1 with Big Nog in 2006. He beat Aleksander Emelianenko and Mark Hunt in 2006. IMO, he's been doing better than Fedor has since August 2005. I would laugh my butt off, if Fedor lost to Barnett.

jdogresorg · 10-26-2007, 01:34 PM

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Gooner · 10-26-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

You DO cling. You are holding on to Anderson Silva for dear life. You said, "...he did OK. Then he came over to the UFC..." But, THAT is complete BS. Anderson Silva had two PRIDE fights in 2002, and two in 2003. Then one more in 2004. He THEN went over to Cage Rage and ROTR. He debuted in the UFC in June 2006. And, yeah, he HAS had only five fights in PRIDE Fighting out of 24 fights total in his career.

So, he's not nearly the typical PRIDE Fighter like Cro-Cop, Henderson, Rampage, Shogun, Noguiera, and others. Saying Anderson Silva is a PRIDE fighter would allow me to say that Wanderlei Silva is a UFC fighter simply because Wanderlei had a few UFC fights way back in the day in 1999 and 2000. So, I consider Anderson Silva a journeyman fighter that had a few matches in PRIDE Fighting along with many others in many other promotions. You could just as easily describe him as a Cage Rage fighter or a Meca fighter. At least Rampage had roughtly half of his fights in PRIDE Fighting and had only one fight in one promotion between his 17 PRIDE fights and his three UFC fights.

Haha, the ONLY reason I'm even bringing him up is because of the rampant, biased UFC>PRIDE material people (you) like to post here.
And there's NOTHING "BS" about that statement. I didn't say he came over to the UFC straight from PRIDE.
He did OK in PRIDE, became a champ in the UFC. That's the point I'm making. And it's a fact as well, no BS about it. Just a little something to balance the UFC-nuthuggery here. Can you comprehend that, sub?

Argh, the second paragraph. It's the same ol' stuff about giving fighters these labels. I don't CARE about that.
Just read my point again from above. That's all. I don't care about labels. You can give him any label you want. That doesn't change the fact that he didn't do that great in PRIDE but seems to dominate the UFC. Again, trying to balance this shiznit a little. People like to take certain results to try and prove that PRIDE was actually rubbish... I can play that game too. It's stupid, but someone has to do it and I'm not busy atm.

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I don't care what any other promotion has. The UFC is the top MMA promotion. You don't have PRIDE Fighting anymore to fall back on in that discussion. That means, IMO, that the UFC titles are the top positions. And, it means that the title holders are the best in that weight class in the UFC. And, the UFC buying PRIDE Fighting did not cause the Fedor-Zulu match to happen. Nor did it cause Fedor-Coleman or Fedor-Hunt..

You're oversimplifying the issue.
Yes, UFC is the top MMA promotion. Yes, they have the most top talent out there. You don't care what any other promotion has? Haha, a true MMA-enthusiast we have here.
The UFC title holders are the best in the UFC, fine.
Doesn't mean they're best in the world, no matter how badly you want to live in that fantasy world. Randy's record is nowhere near Fedor's. And a belt won't change that.

So, PRIDE's matchmaking sucked at times. I'm not blaming Fedor for that.
And I'm not dropping him off the deserved #1 spot because he beat Zulu, Coleman, Hunt and Lindland.

And you didn't answer the hypothetical question. What if M-1 becomes the new PRIDE? They already have Fedor. They just might acquire some other big names in the future, wild guess. If so, how long are you going to cling onto your opinion that the UFC-champs are automatically #1?
It's not that simple, sub. I wish it was. But life's just complicated sometimes.

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Josh Barnett has not fought since December 2006, just like Fedor. But, I am impressed with Barnett's 2006 activity. He had seven fights with a 5-2 record in 2006. He went 1-1 with Big Nog in 2006. He beat Aleksander Emelianenko and Mark Hunt in 2006. IMO, he's been doing better than Fedor has since August 2005. I would laugh my butt off, if Fedor lost to Barnett.

I'm sure you would laugh.
But where would you rank Barnett after that win? Or Fedor after that win?
Obviously he should be ranked above Randy, but oh noes, he's not in the UFC!!! So, I guess he's not top 10 or?

Flying Triangle Choke · 10-26-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

Haha, the ONLY reason I'm even bringing him up is because of the rampant, biased UFC>PRIDE material people (you) like to post here.
And there's NOTHING "BS" about that statement. I didn't say he came over to the UFC straight from PRIDE.
He did OK in PRIDE, became a champ in the UFC. That's the point I'm making. And it's a fact as well, no BS about it. Just a little something to balance the UFC-nuthuggery here. Can you comprehend that, sub?

Argh, the second paragraph. It's the same ol' stuff about giving fighters these labels. I don't CARE about that.
Just read my point again from above. That's all. I don't care about labels. You can give him any label you want. That doesn't change the fact that he didn't do that great in PRIDE but seems to dominate the UFC. Again, trying to balance this shiznit a little. People like to take certain results to try and prove that PRIDE was actually rubbish... I can play that game too. It's stupid, but someone has to do it and I'm not busy atm.

You're oversimplifying the issue.
Yes, UFC is the top MMA promotion. Yes, they have the most top talent out there. You don't care what any other promotion has? Haha, a true MMA-enthusiast we have here.
The UFC title holders are the best in the UFC, fine.
Doesn't mean they're best in the world, no matter how badly you want to live in that fantasy world. Randy's record is nowhere near Fedor's. And a belt won't change that.

So, PRIDE's matchmaking sucked at times. I'm not blaming Fedor for that.
And I'm not dropping him off the deserved #1 spot because he beat Zulu, Coleman, Hunt and Lindland.

And you didn't answer the hypothetical question. What if M-1 becomes the new PRIDE? They already have Fedor. They just might acquire some other big names in the future, wild guess. If so, how long are you going to cling onto your opinion that the UFC-champs are automatically #1?
It's not that simple, sub. I wish it was. But life's just complicated sometimes.

I'm sure you would laugh.
But where would you rank Barnett after that win? Or Fedor after that win?
Obviously he should be ranked above Randy, but oh noes, he's not in the UFC!!! So, I guess he's not top 10 or?

You obviously missed the memo. All non-UFC fighters are no good.

subgenius · 10-26-2007, 02:54 PM

I love it. PRIDE nuthuggers used to say that the best fighters were in PRIDE. Then PRIDE got destroyed by the UFC deathstar. The best of PRIDE comes to the UFC. But, now there are still better fighters out there outside of PRIDE and the UFC? IMO, only Fedor is out there along with maybe Josh Barnett and a few others. But, for the most part, the best fighters are now in the UFC (or the WEC, if you want the lower weight classes).

M-1? Give me a break. BodogFIGHTS? That is a joke as well. KOTC? ICON? The IFL? Cage Rage? ROTR? Where are those best fighters now? Which promotion has the best fighters? I think that you will find that the UFC has more of the best fighters than any other promotion and more than most promotions combined.

Gooner · 10-26-2007, 04:22 PM

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I love it. PRIDE nuthuggers used to say that the best fighters were in PRIDE. Then PRIDE got destroyed by the UFC deathstar. The best of PRIDE comes to the UFC. But, now there are still better fighters out there outside of PRIDE and the UFC? IMO, only Fedor is out there along with maybe Josh Barnett and a few others. But, for the most part, the best fighters are now in the UFC (or the WEC, if you want the lower weight classes).

M-1? Give me a break. BodogFIGHTS? That is a joke as well. KOTC? ICON? The IFL? Cage Rage? ROTR? Where are those best fighters now? Which promotion has the best fighters? I think that you will find that the UFC has more of the best fighters than any other promotion and more than most promotions combined.

You're blowing everyone's mind, sub!

UFC has the most top talent right now? No way! I think you're right!

Please, no-one's disputing that.
Again, that doesn't mean every UFC champ is #1 in his weight class. Sorry.
I guess this was your genius way of side-stepping the arguments.

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You obviously missed the memo. All non-UFC fighters are no good.

No kidding.

Gotta love sub's logic.
I bet he'd be telling us Nog was #1, if Nog won the belt, even if Fedor would beat Barnett at the same time in M-1.
"Yeah, so Fedor totally dominated him twice... whatever, Nog is the UFC champ, which means he's... *like the Luke Skywalker of MMA! #1, whoo!"

*other ghey Star Wars-reference*

(Nah, Star Wars isn't ghey.
Seriously, it's the best movie double-trilogy ever.

For me to poop on.)

subgenius · 10-26-2007, 04:26 PM

You just hate being wrong. It comes out in the tone and subtext of all of your posts. You make me laugh hard, Gooner. But, I am laughing at you, not with you. So, I feel good about that.

HaVoK · 10-26-2007, 04:43 PM

From viewing a lot of yall's posts....I would say you (Sub) like to be right all the time and Gooner likes showing you how you aren't.... and I like reading it