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11-07-2007, 01:20 PM
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Mir will take Brock out with an armbar. tough first fight for him in my opinion.
unless f5's are allowed [or whatever that spinney thing he did was called] lol
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11-07-2007, 01:26 PM
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Up and Coming
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Originally Posted by BCguy
He said IF the ufc was fixing fights , Franklin WOULD have beat Silva. Perhaps you should learn to read before calling people names.
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Thanks BC Guy!
BTW BuggedOutMofo, if you are bent out of shape that I didn't use a decision fight as an example, then please refer to my other post about if Liddell vs Jardine would've gone the other way.
No need to be an arse hole.
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11-07-2007, 01:51 PM
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Machida Title Shot Now
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Originally Posted by sitnspin
I think you're kooky if you want the UFC to fail. After all they've done for this sport and the fans, this is the thanks I -- sorry, they get.
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I am glad because the UFC losing the royal crown may prompt a fairer treatment of the fighters, more thriving organizations, more options for the fans and a democratization of the sport. What's wrong with that?
I have no problem thanking Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock, Royce Gracie and co. for making the sport what it is now. I am tired of all the requests for praising people like Dana White an co. The reality is that they need the fighters and the fighters do not need them. The moment White disappears there will be another person who will do better than him. But these folks are impresarios and, if they have any skill, they could do well in any business.
MMA and the UFC is what it is thanks to the fighters and when you start seeing people like Couture leaving or Fedor not signing or Ortiz being treated like a douche by White or such and such, well, one can't but wonder where these "brains" would be without the fighters.
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11-07-2007, 02:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wilshaw
Mir will take Brock out with an armbar. tough first fight for him in my opinion.
unless f5's are allowed [or whatever that spinney thing he did was called] lol
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As cool as it would be to see him try it, it wouldn't be too hard for his opponent to see it coming and adjust himself accordingly to land on his feet 
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11-07-2007, 03:48 PM
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Up and Coming
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Quote:
Originally Posted by earvinarp
I am glad because the UFC losing the royal crown may prompt a fairer treatment of the fighters, more thriving organizations, more options for the fans and a democratization of the sport. What's wrong with that?
I have no problem thanking Tito Ortiz, Ken Shamrock, Royce Gracie and co. for making the sport what it is now. I am tired of all the requests for praising people like Dana White an co. The reality is that they need the fighters and the fighters do not need them. The moment White disappears there will be another person who will do better than him. But these folks are impresarios and, if they have any skill, they could do well in any business.
MMA and the UFC is what it is thanks to the fighters and when you start seeing people like Couture leaving or Fedor not signing or Ortiz being treated like a douche by White or such and such, well, one can't but wonder where these "brains" would be without the fighters.
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It'll certainly be interesting to see what happens as big name fighters continue to sign with other organizations. I'm sure Fedor and Barnett's signing will act as a catalyst for other fighters to move on as well.
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11-08-2007, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by earvinarp
I truly hope the UFC does not try to sell this as the main event of that card. A semi washed-up fighter as Mir going against a complete nobody, who has IMO all the symptoms of having been doing steroids for many years.
The CIRCUS stage of the UFC has officially begun.
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Sorry to say but if brock looks like he does roids.Then sherks the biggest juice head in the world.
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11-08-2007, 12:35 PM
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Banned
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Seeker
Thanks BC Guy!
BTW BuggedOutMofo, if you are bent out of shape that I didn't use a decision fight as an example, then please refer to my other post about if Liddell vs Jardine would've gone the other way.
No need to be an arse hole.
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Cant fix a fight that dont goto judges so use an example that makes sence.
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11-08-2007, 01:08 PM
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Champion of the Sun
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Originally Posted by BuggedOutMofo
Cant fix a fight that dont goto judges so use an example that makes sence.
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Sure you can. Ever see Franklin vs. Shamrock?
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11-08-2007, 02:04 PM
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Up and Coming
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BuggedOutMofo
Cant fix a fight that dont goto judges so use an example that makes sence.
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I was originally referring to an extreme case of fixed fights, in which a fighter is paid to lose a fight.
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11-08-2007, 07:36 PM
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Thats not fixing a fight thats called taking a dive.Vary different things kiddies.
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11-08-2007, 07:40 PM
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Champion of the Sun
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Originally Posted by BuggedOutMofo
Thats not fixing a fight thats called taking a dive.Vary different things kiddies.
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LOL. If someone was paid to take a dive, that means the fight was fixed.
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11-08-2007, 08:10 PM
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Champion
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BuggedOutMofo
Thats not fixing a fight thats called taking a dive.Vary different things kiddies.
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 for real?
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12-03-2007, 09:57 AM
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UFC 81 Mir vs Lesnar
Just announced by UFC. They better have a co-main event and a great undercard.
UFC® : Ultimate Fighting Championship®
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ARE YOU READY?
LET'S GET IT ON!
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12-03-2007, 10:19 AM
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#1 T. Silva nuthugger
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Already been posted I think, but hey. Mir is my prediction. I think hes gonna sub Lesnar in the first round.
UFC 81: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir
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12-03-2007, 10:26 AM
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*prays this isnt the main event*
Suddenly the Bisping/Rashad main event doesnt seem so bad....
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12-03-2007, 10:29 AM
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I'm really looking forward to this fight. Mir must win or he is done. I am a fan of Franks so I hope he can pull it off. It will be interesting to see how Mir deals with the power of Lesner, which is his biggest strenght at this point in his game. I'm going with Mir in a first round sub tap out.
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12-03-2007, 10:30 AM
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I gave up fighting
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mulla
*prays this isnt the main event*
Suddenly the Bisping/Rashad main event doesnt seem so bad....
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I feel the same. However if it is the main event i still seeing a card with Lesnar on it selling alot of PPVs. Not just to MMA fans, but to WWE fans as well as curiosity seekers. I don't think a former WWE prowreslter has ever fought on a UFC PPV main card.
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12-03-2007, 10:34 AM
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rotaredoM FF
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crashsti
I feel the same. However if it is the main event i still seeing a card with Lesnar on it selling alot of PPVs. Not just to MMA fans, but to WWE fans as well as curiosity seekers. I don't think a former WWE prowreslter has ever fought on a UFC PPV main card.
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No doubt but isnt this the sort of match up that Pride were always bashed for, or M1 are getting bashed for now?
Im gonna go out on a limb and say this match is as bad as Fedor v Hong Man Choi. 
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12-03-2007, 11:05 AM
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I gave up fighting
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mulla
No doubt but isnt this the sort of match up that Pride were always bashed for, or M1 are getting bashed for now?
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i would'nt go that far. Mir is a past champ but has'nt shown those qualities in a long time. Fedor, despite his long absence never showed signs of slowing down. Lesnar, unlike Hong Man Choi, at least has a background in wrestling. The last match that involved a fighter so untested in the elite ranks was when Sean Gannon fought Brannon Lee Hinkle. The caliber of fighter is lower this time and the celebrity of the opponent is less but i still get the same feeling that this match is more to take advantage of a moment then to add to long term plans.
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12-03-2007, 11:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crashsti
The caliber of fighter is lower this time and the celebrity of the opponent is less but i still get the same feeling that this match is more to take advantage of a moment then to add to long term plans.
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I think you are right to an extant, but for Mir a loss would be killer to his chances of moving up. So for Frank I think this fight does have long term implacations.
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