Filho Will Not Train Chuck

Gooner · 11-28-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DoQ1

What is wrong with nationalism? I get people that try to flame me on here b/c I love America. I also love the fact that he loves his country and countrymen. I think it is patriotic and more people should be like him.

I don't think he actually said that there's anything wrong with nationalism.
But I would definitely say that.

What's so great about being a nationalist or even patriotic?

DoQ1 · 11-28-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

If I did not like Dan Henderson, and Wanderlei Silva asked me to train him, then I think I would. I wouldn't think of it as helping an American lose, but as me helping someone I don't like lose. It's almost like saying you wouldn't help another race win, or your same race lose.

That is his belief he is patriotic to his country. He is honorable, and it is not race dont get it confused go to Dictionary.com and look the two words up they are different.

I went to Iraq and fought for my country not because I wanted to make money or win or not lose. Not because I hate Iraqis or Tan people or Muslims but because I love this country and I love being free and democratic and fair (as fair as possible). I love my country. He can too and if you so wanted to you could.

DoQ1 · 11-28-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

I don't think he actually said that there's anything wrong with nationalism.
But I would definitely say that.

What's so great about being a nationalist or even patriotic?

The pride in protecting the freedom of my countrymen is what is so great about it. What the hell have you done to earn the freedom of your children?? I have done my tiny little piece. What have you done besides enjoy the freedoms that others have fought and died for?

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 11-28-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DoQ1

That is his belief he is patriotic to his country. He is honorable, and it is not race dont get it confused go to Dictionary.com and look the two words up they are different.

I went to Iraq and fought for my country not because I wanted to make money or win or not lose. Not because I hate Iraqis or Tan people or Muslims but because I love this country and I love being free and democratic and fair (as fair as possible). I love my country. He can too and if you so wanted to you could.

Bro I already have talked to the Marines and plan on going after I graduate. I am one of the most patriotic people I know. Theres nothing "unpatriotic" about training someone against someone from your own country.

DoQ1 · 11-28-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

Bro I already have talked to the Marines and plan on going after I graduate. I am one of the most patriotic people I know. Theres nothing "unpatriotic" about training someone against someone from your own country.

No I agree with that, but if he feels that way you can not tell him that he is wrong. That is like telling a Jew he is wrong b/c you disagree.

I agree that it is not unpatriotic but he feels that way so he can.
P.S. Congrats on your decision to join the Marines

Semper Fi

Gooner · 11-28-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DoQ1

That is his belief he is patriotic to his country. He is honorable, and it is not race dont get it confused go to Dictionary.com and look the two words up they are different.

So, unequal treatment is wrong when it's based on race, but based on nationality it's A OK?
Not only that, it's actually "honorable"?

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I went to Iraq and fought for my country not because I wanted to make money or win or not lose. Not because I hate Iraqis or Tan people or Muslims but because I love this country and I love being free and democratic and fair (as fair as possible). I love my country. He can too and if you so wanted to you could.

Scary stuff.
One could say this is exactly what's wrong with nationalism.
It comes in handy when you want (your armed forces) to invade some other country...

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The pride in protecting the freedom of my countrymen is what is so great about it. What the hell have you done to earn the freedom of your children?? I have done my tiny little piece. What have you done besides enjoy the freedoms that others have fought and died for?

If you want to protect the freedom of your countrymen, I’d suggest you start protesting the illegal wire-tapping, torture and other ways your government is violating human rights (that would actually help, unlike the war in Iraq).
Unless of course they’re torturing some foreign guy. **** that guy, right?

DoQ1 · 11-28-2007, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

So, unequal treatment is wrong when it's based on race, but based on nationality it's A OK?
Not only that, it's actually "honorable"?

Scary stuff.
One could say this is exactly what's wrong with nationalism.
It comes in handy when you want (your armed forces) to invade some other country...

If you want to protect the freedom of your countrymen, I’d suggest you start protesting the illegal wire-tapping, torture and other ways your government is violating human rights (that would actually help, unlike the war in Iraq).
Unless of course they’re torturing some foreign guy. **** that guy, right?

I am speaking about things I KNOW you are talking about things that you think. A big difference I agree that some things have been done to damage the reputation of our great country but it is still the best alternative out there. I will not waiver on this subject just go on with the conversation because you can sit on your couch and never see any real adversity in your life and say this and that. If you had seen the bare foot Iraqi children just a few hundred yards across the border starving and cheering when we arrive and threw out MRE's (meals ready to eat). They looked so content for just a few moments. That alone made it worth the while. Now answer my question what have you done to stop the atrocities you speak of?

asronn · 11-28-2007, 06:26 PM

Im Ok with what he said. if Chuck wasnt fighting a Brassillian maybe he would help him out. I dont get why everyone is tripping on it... Its his choice. It doesnt hurt the sport or make it any better. its purly personal

DoQ1 · 11-28-2007, 06:30 PM

exactly

Agree 100%

Gooner · 11-28-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DoQ1

I am speaking about things I KNOW you are talking about things that you think. A big difference I agree that some things have been done to damage the reputation of our great country but it is still the best alternative out there. I will not waiver on this subject just go on with the conversation because you can sit on your couch and never see any real adversity in your life and say this and that. If you had seen the bare foot Iraqi children just a few hundred yards across the border starving and cheering when we arrive and threw out MRE's (meals ready to eat). They looked so content for just a few moments. That alone made it worth the while. Now answer my question what have you done to stop the atrocities you speak of?

I love your holier than thou-attitude.
You "know", I think. Whatever Captain Freedom.
Clearly you're able to look at this with objectivity. "Fighting for freedom" and "best alternative"...

Maybe we'll see in 10-20 years how worthwhile this war actually was.
Maybe it'll be just as worthwhile as Vietnam was.

My country is not the one involved in said "atrocities", so I don't really have much influence there.
Let's see, what have I done... Well, I do give Amnesty International money on a regular basis even though I don't have a lot, being that I'm a student.
And they're a respected organization. And they try to stop the atrocities. Does that count?

RIPPEN · 11-28-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

I love your holier than thou-attitude.
You "know", I think. Whatever Captain Freedom.
Clearly you're able to look at this with objectivity. "Fighting for freedom" and "best alternative"...

Maybe we'll see in 10-20 years how worthwhile this war actually was.
Maybe it'll be just as worthwhile as Vietnam was.

My country is not the one involved in said "atrocities", so I don't really have much influence there.
Let's see, what have I done... Well, I do give Amnesty International money on a regular basis even though I don't have a lot, being that I'm a student.
And they're a respected organization. And they try to stop the atrocities. Does that count?

Why do you care about American affairs??? Iam sorry but givin the fact that you are NOT a US citizen and therefore have no affect on US soil.. Why open your gums??? Don't talk about a place of which you have no REAL knowledge of.. Just because you watch the news doesn't make you educated on the subject.. I prefer to get my accounts from people who have LIVED the war such as DoQ1 and several of my friends have. Thank you DoQ1 for your service as well as all the others who have served..

Back on the real subject. Like others have said I doubt Chuck would gain all sorts of skill training with him.. Iam willing to give the guy the benifit of the doubt and say its more than likely a misunderstanding through translation.. However if it was accurate the guy sounds like a arrogant a$$..

ramcalgary · 11-28-2007, 07:36 PM

maybe he hates chucks haircut

OneBigThrow · 11-28-2007, 07:56 PM

Ricardo Arona no doubt would train an american to defeat a Brazilian

the_natural · 11-28-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPPEN

Why do you care about American affairs??? Iam sorry but givin the fact that you are NOT a US citizen and therefore have no affect on US soil.. Why open your gums??? Don't talk about a place of which you have no REAL knowledge of.. Just because you watch the news doesn't make you educated on the subject.. I prefer to get my accounts from people who have LIVED the war such as DoQ1 and several of my friends have. Thank you DoQ1 for your service as well as all the others who have served.

So just because someone isn't from the US means that they can't have an opinion on the place, and even that your opinion matters more? That's some serious bull****...

And how does you being American mean that you know more about the place anyway? One of the most ignorant posts i've ever seen spewed out.

P.S Sorry to the thread-starter for keeping this off-topic...

subgenius · 11-28-2007, 09:48 PM

I love how non-Americans think they know the United States. So many non-Americans think stupid stuff about the US. Like they say foolish stuff such as Vietnam was an American war, when in fact eight nations had troops in Vietnam. Or, that the US lost the war, when the US never lost a battle in Vietnam. Sure, politically the US withdrew and allowed the communists to take over, but the US was not driven out by military means.

Sorry, but if you have never been to the US, then you don't know very much, if anything, about the US. But, hey, don't go away mad. The same is true of any nation. I have been to roughly fifteen countries. I lived in Europe and North Africa over a ten year period. But, I was never in Norway. I would not presume to know Norway. I know Italy and Italians. I know Morrocco and people that live there. But, I've never been to Brazil. I would not presume to know what happens in Brazil in every day life.

Filho does not want to train an American to beat a Brazilian? Okay, that's up to him. I did not see him essentially insult America. So, why make a big deal out of that? I doubt that Chuck Liddell is crying himself to sleep at night worrying about Paulo Filho.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 11-28-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

So, unequal treatment is wrong when it's based on race, but based on nationality it's A OK?
Not only that, it's actually "honorable"?

Scary stuff.
One could say this is exactly what's wrong with nationalism.
It comes in handy when you want (your armed forces) to invade some other country...

If you want to protect the freedom of your countrymen, I’d suggest you start protesting the illegal wire-tapping, torture and other ways your government is violating human rights (that would actually help, unlike the war in Iraq).
Unless of course they’re torturing some foreign guy. **** that guy, right?

plenty of good political messages boards im sure youd love...
this subject is filho not training with chuck to beat someone from his home country. NOT the US involvement in past wars or politics... All your comments are fairly rude offensive and off base and off topic...

if filho doesnt want to train chuck big deal... im not sure what he could add to chucks game.. chuck does what he does, hes not going to adapt a new style at this point, he would much sooner retire IMO... filho is a great fighter, but doesnt really do what chuck does, and certainly wouldnt be part of a gameplan vs silva anyway, so no harm done... not a big deal, im sure everyones quite fine with it, besides FF apparently lol

THATS a good reply to the TOPIC

RIPPEN · 11-28-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the_natural

So just because someone isn't from the US means that they can't have an opinion on the place, and even that your opinion matters more? That's some serious bull****...

And how does you being American mean that you know more about the place anyway? One of the most ignorant posts i've ever seen spewed out.

P.S Sorry to the thread-starter for keeping this off-topic...

Well sorry I didn't live up to your standards with my posts..
Use your eyes and read again. I was more or less asking why he cares what this country does when it has little bearing on him.. He doesn't live here or pay taxes here so I was only curious. But aside from that your right, he is allowed to his opinion. However in this matter I DO belive mine is considered more valuable as I do vote and pay my taxes in the US..

As for the second part.. Again you need to read.. I don't believe I know more about the place(assume your talking about Iraq) based on me being American.. Much of what I know of over there is accounts of friends or family menbers that HAVE SERVED.. My point with that comment was that if you follow the media they will have you believeing that the only thing going on over there is brutality, destruction and chaos.. However you talk to many that have experienced that place,although some of that exsist(kinda comes with the "war" part) there is allot of good being done..

I realize my previous post came off a bit wrong or harsh so my bad for that..

I too am sorry to the topic starter.. Reguardless of whoever freaks out on me next, Ill leave this alone..

DoQ1 · 11-28-2007, 11:10 PM

Thanks for the support guys. I just tuned him out.

So the point is that Chuck and Filho could have exchanged "secrets" or tips, however Paulo has a stance and stuck to it. I commend him. I do however hope that one day they train together to share some wisdom. I am however torn on the Chuck-Wandy fight. I want them both to win, I guess I will take Chuck and see what happens.

We will see how Xtreme couture works for Wandy. I am not sure if he is training there full time but he could get some great cardio there.

Again thanks for the support that speaks more loudly than my words do.

Gooner · 11-29-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GSPALLTHEWAY

plenty of good political messages boards im sure youd love...
this subject is filho not training with chuck to beat someone from his home country. NOT the US involvement in past wars or politics... All your comments are fairly rude offensive and off base and off topic...

if filho doesnt want to train chuck big deal... im not sure what he could add to chucks game.. chuck does what he does, hes not going to adapt a new style at this point, he would much sooner retire IMO... filho is a great fighter, but doesnt really do what chuck does, and certainly wouldnt be part of a gameplan vs silva anyway, so no harm done... not a big deal, im sure everyones quite fine with it, besides FF apparently lol

THATS a good reply to the TOPIC

Look, I didn't start this discussion. Or be "rude" or "offensive" first.
I commented on something said by someone else, and then I get an aggressive self-righteous reply. Now, I'm sure you would have preferred me not replying at that point but I just don't care what you think, big boy.

Besides, it's not like nationalism/patriotism is completely off topic in this thread.

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Originally Posted by RIPPEN

Why do you care about American affairs??? Iam sorry but givin the fact that you are NOT a US citizen and therefore have no affect on US soil.. Why open your gums??? Don't talk about a place of which you have no REAL knowledge of.. Just because you watch the news doesn't make you educated on the subject.. I prefer to get my accounts from people who have LIVED the war such as DoQ1 and several of my friends have. Thank you DoQ1 for your service as well as all the others who have served

Well, natural already dealt with your post, but...

Why do I care about "American affairs"?
OK, hypothetically speaking

, the US is responsible for torturing a foreign guy... that's considered "American affairs"? Am I allowed to care about it if the victim is a member of the European Union? Maybe he should actually be Finnish before I'm allowed to care about it? Or taken from my block?
I'm sorry, but I'm not a blind nationalist that way.

Why do you care about Iraqi affairs, dude?
Seriously.

Crazy · 11-29-2007, 04:15 AM

So many nice and good points put out here by Gooner.
I agree in all of them. Discussing this matters with a lot of Americans though are totaly hopeless. I have given up trying a long time ago.

Just some things I want to comment. It is not like you have to go to America to see what American do. If you talked about Brasil then OK

but America is showing/representing them self in many countrys around the globe "fighting for freedom" as they call it. To put 1000 of people from another country on an island against all human rights, without a trial not knowing if they are guilty or not is of coures just a part of the "fighting for freedom".

Stop with the stupid "what have you done for the freedom".
If you went to Iraq to fight for freedom I would have prefered that you did less. That last war there was totaly uncalled for.
USA was never forced into democraci and they should not try to force others into it since forcing another natinon into something won`t work anyway.