It's Time To Vote! FIGHT FORUM'S Official Rankings Thread -- January

[FightFan76]

Originally Posted by Malf

The way I see it, if the UFC thinks he's good enough to headline a card, then I think he's good enough to make the top 10 with only one pro fight. That, and the fact that Cro Cop is 1-2 in the UFC, and I think he's done, and Lesnar could be for real.

Ok, the UFC does not have him headlining a card b/c they think he is GOOD enough but more so b/c they think he is MARKETABLE enough. I am sorry but 1 fight against someone I cant even name at this moment does not get you into the top 10 of an organization that you have never fought in b/4. Now if he beats Mir in a convincing manner then maybe he breaks in at #10 but I would still wait until after atleast 1 more quality win b/4 I put him in mine.....

[FatCat]

HEAVYWEIGHT
1. Tim Sylvia (1)
2. Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera (2)
3. Gabriel Gonzaga (3)
4. Andrei Arlovski (4)
5. Cheick Kongo (5)
6. Mirko CroCop (6)
7. Brandon Vera (7)
8. Fabricio Werdum (8)
9. Frank Mir (9)
10. Jake O'Brien (10)

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT
1. Quinton Jackson (1)
2. Lyoto Machida (2)
3. Keith Jardine (4)
4. Chuck Liddell (5)
5. Wanderlei Silva (3)
6. Forrest Griffin (6)
7. Mauricio Rua (7)
8. Rashad Evans (9)
9. Tito Ortiz (10)
10. Thiago Silva (-)

MIDDLEWEIGHT
1. Anderson Silva (1)
2. Dan Henderson (2)
3. Nate Marquardt (3)
4. Rich Franklin (4)
5. Yushin Okami (5)
6. Patrick Cote (6)
7. Kendall Grove (7)
8. Alan Belcher (8)
9. Martin Kampmann (9)
10. Thales Leites (10)

WELTERWEIGHT
1. George St. Pierre (1)
2. Jon Fitch (2)
3. Matt Serra (3)
4. Josh Koscheck (5)
5. Matt Hughes (4)
6. Diego Sanchez (6)
7. Karo Parysian (7)
8. Marcus Davis (8)
9. Thiago Alves (9)
10. Chris Lytle (10)

LIGHTWEIGHT
1. BJ Penn (1)
2. Sean Sherk (2)
3. Frank Edgar (3)
4. Kenny Florian (4)
5. Joe Stevenson (5)
6. Tyson Griffin (6)
7. Roger Huerta (8)
8. Clay Guida (7)
9. Spencer Fisher (9)
10. Thiago Tavares (10)

[Mickey Finn]

Originally Posted by asronn

you cannot be for real!!!!

theres nothing wrong with having liddell as number one. theres no reason to over emphasise the rampage and jardine fights. he just got clipped in one and in the other he didnt really try. if you look at before that and how he looked in the wandy fight you could argue he deserves that spot.

[HellRazor]

I'm limiting myself to the divisions I know well, and only as deep as I know them

Heavyweight

1.
2.
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3.Tim Sylvia
3. Cheick Kongo
4. Gabriel Gonzaga
5. Mirko CroCop
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Brandon Vera
8. Fabricio Werdum

Lt Heavyweight
1. Quinton Jackson
2. Forrest Griffin
3. Keith Jardine
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Chuck Liddell
6. Rashad Evans
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Wanderlei Silva
9 .Tito Ortiz
10. Stephan Bonnar

Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Rich Franklin
4. Nathan Marquardt

Welterweight
1. Matt Serra
2. George St. Pierre
3. Matt Hughes
4. Karo Parisian
5. Jon Fitch
6. Diego Sanchez
7. Josh Koscheck
8. Mike Swick

[LABJJ]

Heavyweight
1. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
2. Tim Sylvia
3. Gabriel Gonzaga
4. Andrei Arlovski
5. Cheick Kongo
6. Mirko CroCop
7. Brandon Vera
8. Heath Herring
9. Frank Mir
10. Fabricio Werdum

Lt Heavyweight
1. Quinton Jackson
2. Forrest Griffin
3. Keith Jardine
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Chuck Liddell
6. Wanderlei Silva
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Rashad Evans
9. Rameau Sokoudjou
10. Jason Lambert

Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Rich Franklin
4. Yushin Okami
5. Nathan Marquardt
6. Martin Kampmann
7. Jason McDonald
8. Thales Leites
9. Patrick Cote
10. Travis Lutter

Welterweight
1. Matt Serra
2. George St. Pierre
3. Matt Hughes
4. Jon Fitch
5. Josh Koscheck
6. Diego Sanchez
7. Karo Parisian
8. Thiago Alves
9. Marcus Davis
10. Roan Carneiro

Lightweight
1. Sean Sherk
2. BJ Penn
3. Joe Stevenson
4. Kenny Florian
5. Roger Huerta
6. Frank Edgar
7. Tyson Griffin
8. Joe Lauzon
9. Clay Guida
10. Thiago Tavares
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[FightFan76]

Originally Posted by Mickey Finn

theres nothing wrong with having liddell as number one. theres no reason to over emphasise the rampage and jardine fights. he just got clipped in one and in the other he didnt really try. if you look at before that and how he looked in the wandy fight you could argue he deserves that spot.

Yeah ok so he didnt try, that is weak; surely you can come up w/ something better than that.....

[T-Bone]

HW
1. is ineligible for voting
2. Nog
2. Sylvia
3. Gonzaga
4. Arlovski
5. Kongo
6. CroCop
7. Vera
8. Herring
9. Mir
10.Werdum

LHW:
1. Rampage
2. Machida
3. Chuck
4. Shogun
5. Forrest
6. Wandy
7. Jardine
8. Thiago
9. Sokoudjou
10.Tito/Rashad (it was a draw, right?)

MW:
1. A.Silva
2. D.Henderson
3. Ace
4. Marquardt
5. Okami
6. Kampmann
7. McDonald
8. Leites
9. Cote
10.Bisping

WW:
1. Serra
2. GSP
3. Fitch
4. Karo
5. Koscheck
6. Hughes
7. Diego
8. M.Davis
9. Burkman
10.Swick

LW:
1. BJ Penn
2. Sherk
3. Florian
4. Edgar
5. Stevenson
6. Huerta
7. Guida
8. Fisher
9. Griffin
10.Nate Diaz

[riversideblues]

good lord, i'll get mine in eventually

[Harms]

1. Big Nog (1)
2. Tim Sylvia (2)
3. Andrei Arlovski (3)
4. Cheick Kongo (4)
5. Gabriel Gonzaga(5)
6. Brandon Vera(6)
7. Fabricio Werdum (7)
8. Jake O’Brien (8)
9. Cro Cop(9)
10. Frank Mir (10)

LHW
1. Rampage Jackson (1)
2. Lyoto Machida (2)
3. Forrest Griffen (3)
4. Dan Henderson (4)
5. Rashad Evans (8)
6. Chuck Liddell (-)
7. Tito Ortiz (6)
8. Wanderlei Silva(5)
9. Shogun Rua (9)
10. Keith Jardine (10)


MW
1. Anderson Silva (1)
2. Martin Kampmann(2)
3. Yushin Okami (3)
4. Nate Marquardt(4)
5. Rich Franklin(5)
6. Thales Leites (6)
7. Patrick Cote (7)
8. Jason Macdonald (8)
9. Kendall Grove (9)
10. Chris Leben (10)

WW
1. Georges St. Pierre (3)
2. Matt Serra(1)
3. John Fitch (4)
4. Matt Hughes(2)
5. Diego Sanchez (6)
6. Josh Koscheck (7)
7. Karo Paryisian (8)
8. Marcus Davis (9)
9. Thiago Alves (10)
10. Josh Burkman (-)

LW
1. Joe Stevenson(2)
2. BJ Penn(3)
3. Sean Sherk (1)
4. Roger Huerta (4)
5. Spencer Fisher (5)
6. Kenny Florian (6)
7. Tyson Griffen (7)
8. Frank Edgar (9)
9. Kenny Florian (8)
10. Thiago Tavares (10)

Some thoughts on this. I had Sakurai as my #5 for the longest, but decided to take him off. Sherk is no longer the champ, so I gave the #1-2 spots to the people fighting for the belt. I left Chuck off last month, but let him back in at number 5 cause I couldn't justify to myself that Tito should ever be above him. Though Serra is still the recognized champ, I put GSP at #1 since he is really the active champ now at the division. Serra will stay at #2 until he fights again or retires. The #10 WW spot could have gone to Swick, but I want to see him fight as a WW to see where he is at before I vote for him in the division.

[FrankenJim]

Edited my post now. sorry

[Mickey Finn]

Originally Posted by FightFan76

Yeah ok so he didnt try, that is weak; surely you can come up w/ something better than that.....

thats not really the point. one performance of inexplicable poor performance should not have a large affect on judging a fighter. its like a statistical anomaly, where analysts ignore the outlier.

[stillstanding]

Well what about Shogun, he only had one fight in the UFC and he got his can whipped by Forrest. Should you put Shogun above Forrest since his past performances from PRIDE?

[Greenman]

Heavyweight
1 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 30-4-1, 1-0 UFC: streak +2
2 Tim Sylvia 24-3, 9-3 UFC: streak +1
3 Mirko CroCop 22-6-2, 1-2 UFC: streak -2
4 Andrei Arlovski 11-5, 8-4 UFC: streak +2
5 Brandon Vera 8-1, 4-1 UFC: streak -1
6 Cheick Kongo 11-3-1, 4-1 UFC: streak +2
7 Jake O’Brien 10-0, 3-0 UFC: streak +10
8 Fabricio Werdum 9-3-1, 0-1 UFC: streak -1
9 Gabriel Gonzaga 8-2, 4-1 UFC: streak -1
10 Heath Herring 27-13, 1-2 UFC: streak -1


Lt Heavyweight
1 Quinton Jackson 28-6, 3-0 UFC: streak +6
2 Mauricio Rua 16-3, 0-1 UFC: streak -1
3 Chuck Liddell 21-5, 16-4 UFC: streak +1
4 Lyoto Machida 12-0, 4-0 UFC: streak +12
5 Wanderlei Silva 31-8-1, 1-3 UFC: streak -3
6 Tito Ortiz 15-5-1, 14-5-1 UFC: streak tie
7 Rashad Evans 11-0-1, 6-0-1 UFC: streak +1
8 Forrest Griffin 15-4, 6-2 UFC: streak +2
9 Thiago Silva 12-0, 3-0 UFC: streak +12
10 Keith Jardine 13-3-1, 5-2 UFC: streak +1


Middleweight
1 Dan Henderson 25-6, 2-1 UFC: streak -1
2 Anderson Silva 20-4, 5-0 UFC: streak +6
3 Rich Franklin 22-3, 9-2 UFC: streak -1
4 Nathan Marquardt 25-7-2, 4-1 UFC: streak -1
5 Patrick Cote 11-4, 2-4 UFC: streak +3
6 Yushin Okami 21-4, 5-1 UFC: streak -+1
7 Thales Leites 12-1, 3-1 UFC: streak +3
8 Drew McFedries 6-2, 2-1 UFC: streak +1
9 Martin Kampmann 15-2, 3-0 UFC: streak +8
10 Alan Belcher 11-3, 3-2 UFC: streak +2


Welterweight
1 George St. Pierre 15-2, 9-2 UFC: streak +2
2 Matt Hughes 41-6, 15-4 UFC: streak -1
3 Jon Fitch 15-2, 7-0 UFC: streak +14
4 Karo Parisian 18-4, 8-2 UFC: streak +3
5 Josh Koscheck 9-2, 7-2 UFC: streak -1
6 Diego Sanchez 17-2, 6-2 UFC: streak -2
7 Marcus Davis 13-3, 5-1 UFC: streak +10
8 Mike Swick 10-2, 5-1 UFC: streak –1
9 Thiago Alves 13-3, 6-2 UFC: streak +4
10 Matt Serra 9-4, 6-4 UFC: streak +2

Lightweight
1 Sean Sherk 32-2-1, 5-2 UFC: streak +3
2 BJ Penn 11-4-1, 6-3-1 UFC: streak +1
3 Joe Stevenson 28-7, 5-1 UFC: streak +4
4 Roger Huerta 20-1-1, 6-0 UFC: streak +16
5 Kenny Florian 7-3, 6-2 UFC: streak +3
6 Clay Guida 22-9, 1-3 UFC: streak -1
7 Tyson Griffin 10-1, 3-1 UFC: streak +2
8 Frank Edgar 8-0, 3-0 UFC: streak +8
9 Nate Diaz 7-2, 2-0 UFC: streak +2
10 Joe Lauzon 16-3, 3-0 UFC: streak +6

Just a note regarding Manny Gamburyian and Gray Manard, even though they may actually be worth ranking, lay and pray fighters in any division will never get a vote from me, Kos, Sherk and a couple others used to be in that catagory but have evolved. Until the others learn some MMA other than takedowns and holding thier opponent they will not be on any ranking list of mine.

Originally Posted by stillstanding

Well what about Shogun, he only had one fight in the UFC and he got his can whipped by Forrest. Should you put Shogun above Forrest since his past performances from PRIDE?

That is why it's a vote, if I wanted to put Tank Abbott ahead of Fedor I could. It would be goofy, but it may actually be someones actual opinion. I am certain not everyone agrees with my picks above either. C'est la vie .

[Harms]

Originally Posted by Mickey Finn

thats not really the point. one performance of inexplicable poor performance should not have a large affect on judging a fighter. its like a statistical anomaly, where analysts ignore the outlier.

But it was two poor performances which could be the beginning of a trend. This fight could be the actual statistical anomaly considering he did win by dec. Not only that, but statistics have shown that the older a fighter gets, the more their career starts to slide, but will occasionally have a good performance. So perhaps you should throw out the last win and look at the losses a little harder.

[Pitbull]

Originally Posted by Harms

But it was two poor performances which could be the beginning of a trend. This fight could be the actual statistical anomaly considering he did win by dec. Not only that, but statistics have shown that the older a fighter gets, the more their career starts to slide, but will occasionally have a good performance. So perhaps you should throw out the last win and look at the losses a little harder.

Yup, I agree with Harms and the others on this one.

BTW, I've avoided the rankings for the past couple of months mainly for rankings like Liddell at #1 LHW and Bisping at #3 at MW.

But, the rankings seem to be getting better. I'll try to post mine tonight when I get home from work.

[KungFuGrip]

Heavyweight
1. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
2. Tim Sylvia
3. Gabriel Gonzaga
4. Andrei Arlovski
5. Cheick Kongo
6. Mirko CroCop
7. Brandon Vera
8. Heath Herring
9. Frank Mir
10. Fabricio Werdum

Lt Heavyweight
1. Quinton Jackson
2. Forrest Griffin
3. Lyoto Machida
4. Keith Jardine
5. Chuck Liddell
6. Wanderlei Silva
7. Mauricio Rua
8. Rashad Evans
9. Rameau Sokoudjou
10. Jason Lambert

Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Rich Franklin
4. Yushin Okami
5. Nathan Marquardt
6. Martin Kampmann
7. Jason McDonald
8. Thales Leites
9. Patrick Cote
10. Travis Lutter

Welterweight
1. Matt Serra
2. George St. Pierre
3. Matt Hughes
4. Jon Fitch
5. Josh Koscheck
6. Diego Sanchez
7. Karo Parisian
8. Thiago Alves
9. Marcus Davis
10. Roan Carneiro

Lightweight
1. Sean Sherk
2. BJ Penn
3. Joe Stevenson
4. Kenny Florian
5. Roger Huerta
6. Frank Edgar
7. Tyson Griffin
8. Joe Lauzon
9. Clay Guida
10. Thiago Tavares

[Rumbin]

[quote=Greenman;257906]Just a note regarding Manny Gamburyian and Gray Manard, even though they may actually be worth ranking, lay and pray fighters in any division will never get a vote from me, Kos, Sherk and a couple others used to be in that catagory but have evolved. Until the others learn some MMA other than takedowns and holding thier opponent they will not be on any ranking list of mine.QUOTE]

Calling Manny a "lay and prayer" makes me laugh and laugh and laugh.

seriously, get a clue

[Pitbull]

HEAVYWEIGHT
1. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
2. Tim Sylvia
3. Gabriel Gonzaga
4. Cheick Kongo
5. Mirko CroCop
6. Andrei Arlovski
7. Fabricio Werdum
8. Brandon Vera
9. Heath Herring
10. Frank Mir

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT
1. Quinton Jackson
2. Mauricio Rua
3. Chuck Liddell
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Wanderlei Silva
6. Rameau Sokoudjou
7. Thiago Silva
8. Tito Ortiz
9. Keith Jardine
10. Forrest Griffin

MIDDLEWEIGHT
1. Anderson Silva
2. Dan Henderson
3. Nathan Marquardt
4. Rich Franklin
5. Yushin Okami
6. Martin Kampmann
7. Thales Leites
8. Jeremy Horn
9. Jason McDonald
10.Patrick Cote

WELTERWEIGHT
1. George St. Pierre
2. Jon Fitch
3. Matt Hughes
4. Matt Serra
5. Josh Koscheck
6. Diego Sanchez
7. Karo Parisyan
8. Thiago Alves
9. Roan Carneiro
10. Marcus Davis

LIGHTWEIGHT
1. BJ Penn
2. Joe Stevenson
3. Sean Sherk
4. Tyson Griffin
5. Joe Lauzon
6. Kenny Florian
7. Roger Huerta
8. Frank Edgar
9. Clay Guida
10. Thiago Tavares

[Cuts O Meat]

Originally Posted by asronn

you cannot be for real!!!!

I was thinking the same thing when I saw this:

Originally Posted by Heatwaves

WELTERWEIGHT
1. George St. Pierre (2)
2. Matt Hughes (1)
3. Jon Fitch (3)
4. Karo Parysian (4)
5. Josh Koscheck (5)
6. Diego Sanchez (6)
7. Matt Serra (7)
8. Marcus Davis (8)
9. Mike Swick (9)
10. Josh Burkman (10)

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by Greenman

Just a note regarding Manny Gamburyian and Gray Manard, even though they may actually be worth ranking, lay and pray fighters in any division will never get a vote from me, Kos, Sherk and a couple others used to be in that catagory but have evolved. Until the others learn some MMA other than takedowns and holding thier opponent they will not be on any ranking list of mine.



That is why it's a vote, if I wanted to put Tank Abbott ahead of Fedor I could. It would be goofy, but it may actually be someones actual opinion. I am certain not everyone agrees with my picks above either. C'est la vie .

Not that I think Maynard deserves to be in the top 10, but I don't know why you consider him a lay n pray guy. Especially considering in his last fight he knocked his opponent out in 9 seconds... I don't know how you get lnp out of that.