The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

Man the UFC really needs to give this guy a true test. The guy has beat almost everyone he has come across. He is on a 10 fight win streak (5withing the UFC), and now they are giving him a can. Jess Liaudin isn't a fight for Davis. He will beat him by KO or Sub in the first round. I want to see Marcus go against someone serious. Give him Karo, Gono, or Alves. I want to see him fight Alves more than anything.

Pitbull

What are you crazy TICL?! Marcus Davis is top 10 EASILY. He would beat all those guys! /sarcasm

No, but seriously. I don't think he can handle the UFC top WW fighters. Well rounded, but not enough to get him wins against the top 10.

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The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

Shouldn't they give him a chance? He is on a ten win streak. With very nice fights. He is getting better every time. I think he could put up a fight against anyone in the WW division with the exception of Hughes, GSP, and Fitch.

Rumbin

Its hard to because hes already getting kind of old (36 I think).

I would love to see Karo vs Davis if he wins in Jan.

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Gygax

Marcus Davis is 34.

The thing that has amazed me about the guy is that he was a pretty accomplished boxer in the Northeast circles. He was 17-0-2 when he took his first loss, by TKO, in 2000. He quit the sport off that one loss, returning to combat sports as a MMArtist in 2003. He's 13-3 in MMA with 4 TKO's and 7 submissions. His losses are to Melvin Guillard (on the TUF Finale), Thiago Alves (split decision), and the tough journeyman Nuri Shakir. Its no surprise Davis is getting Liaudin at UFC 80 in Newcastle. The Frenchman is very popular from his days in Cage Rage and Davis got a ton of European fans off his great fight with Paul Taylor in London.

He'll likely get a big upgrade in talent in his next fight if he gets by Liaudin. But he's such a perfect fit right now for shows in England, its no surprise he's on this UFC 80 card.

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TheSteveOfMean

Although I can't remember it specifically, I remember Taylor was very close to beating Davis until an amazing turnaround. If this wasn't a true test for him, I'd like to see what is? I'm sure he'll be given an opportunity when the time is right.

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Pitbull

Ok, so he's 34 and former boxer turned mixed martial artist. And like Gygax, stated he was building a nice boxing record so we can assume he's got pretty good hands.

So now let's look at the WW picture...

We're gonna skip over GSP, Fitch, and Hughes just cuz TICL said so
-GSP
-Jon Fitch
-Matt Hughes
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-Josh Koscheck- I'd give the edge to Davis in punching b/c of his background, but there's no way he can defend Kos' takedowns. With his wrestling, Kos can control where the fight ultimately ends up nullify Davis' striking.

-Diego Sanchez-Too relentless, too good a grappler for Davis to handle. And I know Diego said he was going to LW, but until that happens we'll assume he's WW.

-Karo- Edge to Davis in his hands, but Karo is very experienced and I would expect him to dominate in the clinch and on the ground.

-Thiago Alves- Davis may have better hands, but Thiago has some heavy hands of his own and really nasty kicks. So I would consider Thiago the more dynamic striker of the two. I think Thiago has really improved from his earlier UFC fights, and I would expect him to be able to handle Davis

-Serra- Experienced, good hands, and more experienced on the ground. Again, I would give the edge to Davis in striking b/c of his hands, and I think I could see an upset happen. Then the UFC is gonna try to sell you "MARCUS DAVIS: THE MAN WHO BEAT THE FORMER WW CHAMPION."

I wouldn't say that Davis has been improving (maybe he has and I'm wrong), but I think he's just had fights that have made him look good. He's been beating B/C-Level fighters, and I could see an occasional upset victory in his future.

But I can't see him beating the top of the food chain in the WW division. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but the odds are stacked against him with his age, experience, and he's fighting in arguably the most talented division in the world.

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The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

Ya, but Davis is good at working off of his back. Just look at that Taylor fight. He has some pretty good subs for a boxer.

Pitbull

You said it yourself...against TAYLOR.

I don't believe he would be able to do that against experienced guys like the ones I stated.

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The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

I think he would put up a GREAT fight against Kos. Plus theirs Chris Lytle you are forgetting about. Yes I think he could beat Serra also. This guy took Alves to a split decision in his 2nd MMA fight. He's the real deal.

Pitbull

What do you mean "real deal"?

It was only Thiago's 4 MMA fight. And like I said, I really think Thiago has really improved since his suspension and is displaying some nasty striking.

Davis is no where near Kos in wrestling. Kos would take him down at will.

Chris Lytle, meh...I don't really want to have to think about it, but Lytle did some boxing of his own, decent grappling, and tons more experience than Davis. But, maybe he can pull of a victory against Lytle.

I think Davis will always be a B-level fighter...Kinda like Chris Lytle. He looks good against B and C level guys, but doesn't quite manage to beat the A guys. Thanks for that one, TICL.

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Mickey Finn

i think gygax made some good points about him being a good fit for ufc 80

if he wins this fight and i think he will, he should be given the chance to prove whether or not he is at that top level against maybe koscheck or sanchez

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

And you know that he is a B level fighter how? The Guillard fight? He is years better than that fight now. So Pit tell me how you know he can't be an A-level fighter?

Pitbull

Answer my question first. How is he the real deal?

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The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell

He is on a ten fight win streak! Every fight he is in is exciting. He beat the guy that KO'd the champ his first fight in the UFC, and finally he hasn't shown any weaknesses. Almost anyone else would have gotten finished by that Paul Taylor kick, so he has a jaw. He has subbed 6 of his last ten victims so he has submissions. He was a great boxer so he has hands, He has finished all of his fights except for 2 so he has a killer instinct. Now you answer my question.

FightFan76

I actually think he is top but I do agree maybe not the top tier guys in the top 10 but I would have him around 8-10. I think he could beat Burkman and it would be a very interesting fight agianst Swick (not sure who would win).

Having said that though I believe he has earned the right to prove whether or not he is a top tier guy. Even though it may not be the best match-up for him I would love to see him fight Kos or Sanchez.....

Mulla

I think Liaudin has a much better chance than people are giving him credit for, he has sick subs and good stand up too. He's much better than his record will have you believe.

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StratTone

I agree. Davis is doing great in the MMA game and seems to grow each fight.

Pitbull

I know he's a B-Level fighter, because along side what we already know about his training, I visually assessed his skills in the octagon.

If you can't see it, then there's really no point for me to keep debating with you.

And I never brought up the Guillard fight. So what does he have to do with anything?

And I thought I made myself clear as to why he isn't an A-level fighter. I named a bunch of dudes that could beat him.

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subgenius

Marcus Davis on TUF = easy win for anybody

Marcus Davis post-TUF = ten wins for Davis

The guy improved his skills dramatically. He was just a boxer on TUF that was not really a threat. Now, he studied and he learned and he has PROVEN that he has done that by beating ten guys in a row that many thought he had no chance to beat. And, you guys seem to forget that Davis beat Shonie Carter (38-18-7)and Pete Sprat (17-10). Both are veterans with winning records that have had a lot of experience.

After the Finale for TUF-2, Davis was 3-3 in MMA. Now, he is 13-3. Eleven of 13 wins were fights where he finished the opponent.

As you can tell, I am impressed with Marcus Davis. But, like with Kenny Florian, I had written Davis off after the loss to Guillard. Davis won me back with his skill and his determination to excell. I bet now that Davis would KO or submit Melvin Guillard. I say that because Guillard seems to have NOT changed at all since he left TUF.

Marcus is a learner. He learns. He takes what he learned and he uses it. He's a boxer turned MMA fighter that has been disproving the idea that boxers cannot fight in MMA and win.

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