Anyone else think Herb Dean dropped the ball?

Praetorian27 · 10-09-2005, 01:09 AM

That Sean Gannon fight was one of the most obvious "must stop" fights I have ever seen. Gannon was on the mat doing nothing but trying to stop the barrage of punches from hitting his face. Covering your face with your hands with your eyes closed is not intelligently defending yourself. Any other Referee would have stopped that fight long before Gannon was allowed to get so damaged. How could Dean make a good judgement on his condition...when he is standing BEHIND THEM! He was watching both fighters backs when the rest of the country had a clear view of the trouble Gannon was in. I sure hope the UFC has a sitdown behind closed doors with him.

Hughes24 · 10-09-2005, 04:22 AM

nah, the only bad reffing job IMHO was the imediate stopage of paul vs arlovski....that was way to quick considering they always let title fights go longer with punishment

T-Roll-U · 10-09-2005, 04:27 AM

^ it saved paul from further embresment and lots more damage! that was the right call paul was in lala land. maybe next time!

Hughes24 · 10-09-2005, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by T-Roll-U

^ it saved paul from further embresment and lots more damage! that was the right call paul was in lala land. maybe next time!

i dont see it that way...maybe its just me...

DirtyChuckRulz! · 10-09-2005, 07:02 AM

Paul was most def out, way out, he would not have recovered from that, he was about to get hurt really bad.

Gannon came in with a lot of hype because of his fight with Kimbo, we all know he can take a serious beatin, i think thats why he let it go a little TOO long. i hope he dosnt get fired, cause he looked like ****, keep your day job Sean.

Thrash13 · 10-09-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hughes24

nah, the only bad reffing job IMHO was the imediate stopage of paul vs arlovski....that was way to quick considering they always let title fights go longer with punishment

That's how lifelong brain damage occurs. Paul couldn't stand up straight for a couple minutes after the fight and looked completely lost. Arlovski would have continued to pound him until he was unconscience because Buentello could not defend himself by any means after that punch.

That was a great stoppage IMO.

mikedifr · 10-09-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrash13

That's how lifelong brain damage occurs. Paul couldn't stand up straight for a couple minutes after the fight and looked completely lost. Arlovski would have continued to pound him until he was unconscience because Buentello could not defend himself by any means after that punch.

That was a great stoppage IMO.

Agreed. It is unfortunate for the fans that it ended so quickly, but great punch by Arlovski that knocked him out. We need to give him credit. The fact that the fight was stopped is what separates MMA from boxing. Lets say that Buentello was boxing as was able to recover enough to get up after 8 seconds. You obviously dont fully recover from a punch like that in 8 seconds. Boxing would have let it continue and his head would have been pounded even more after he was already dazed, which is what causes brain damage. If they let it continue, Arlovski would have hit him probably 10 times on the ground and he would have been unconcious.

Great decision IMO.

Praetorian27 · 10-09-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedifr

Great decision IMO.

I couldn't agree more. The only reason it looked a little questionable was because AA shot in low after the punch and Paul fell on top of him. That was the only thing keeping Paul from falling face first onto the canvas. If AA threw the punch and stood up, Paul would have fallen like a tree and the crowd would have gone nuts. He was O-U-T!!! You could see it in his legs as he tried to stand back up. The crowd booing pissed me off. I understand you guys paid a lot of $$ and wanted to see a good 5-5 minute round battle...but you can't blame AA for being that good.

Anyway, back to my topic I just thought Dean was not in control of the fight at all. I have never had a problem with him in the past with his decisions, and even praised him for his stoppage of Mir/Sylvia when nobody else (including Sylvia) knew that the arm broke. But he was way out of line in that fight.

Unknown · 10-09-2005, 01:44 PM

Paul was out. Period. Once I saw the second angle I was happy with the stoppage. If it had not been stopped Paul could have been hurt badly.

As for the Gannon fight. I think Gannon was still reacting. Not that I would call it an intelligent defense but he was still reacting. And Gannon looked ok after it was over. I think he might have let it go a little too long but I don’t think Gannon was seriously hurt.

But now that I think back: Wasn’t Herb the ref when the guy got kicked in the gonads? I think that fight should have been stopped in the first round.

AikaImmortal · 10-09-2005, 01:48 PM

I think he was embarassed that an internet celeberty was fighting in something as important as the UFC and he could care less since he wasent a real fighter. It hurt HIS rep being in charge of that worthless freak fight

subgenius · 10-09-2005, 03:06 PM

Gannon was all right with how the fight ended, and with the progression of the fight. Sure, he got beat, but I did not see him complaining about the referee not stopping the fight. Remember, Gannon could have stopped the fight himself.

Hinkle paid Gannon some compliments after the match, and so I do not beleive that he felt the fight should have been stopped. He said that he respects ANYONE that will get into the octagon and fight. It does not matter where they came from...

Gannon is a Boston Police Officer, and NOT a full-time fighter. It was an honor for him just to be allowed to fight. Maybe he will continue to train and improve. Maybe he'll come back for another fight...

rhtufts · 10-09-2005, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hughes24

nah, the only bad reffing job IMHO was the imediate stopage of paul vs arlovski....that was way to quick considering they always let title fights go longer with punishment

Go watch that fight again, look at Paul’s legs sticking out straight like boards when he’s laying asleep on AA back… THEN tell us he wasn’t out cold and that the ref stopped it to soon.

Russell

Beast-52 · 10-09-2005, 03:54 PM

Paul was out, plus AA didnt realize it and he was just going to deliver more shots to paul so I think Big John made a good decision (that more or less helped paul) by pulling Andrei off of him.

Crashsti · 10-10-2005, 10:15 AM

i think sometimes a ref does make a mistake but Paul got caught with a bomb and AA was right on top of him when he hit the mat. i am sure even Paul was'nt complaining about the ref. he was probably just pissed he got caught. as for Gannon. he had no business in the UFC. they cut a fighter like Ivan Salavary but give Gannon a chance because he beat a backyard brawler? come on, what is that? Gannon would have been a good UFC fighter in UFC 1 but not 55.

JoeRoganismyhero · 10-10-2005, 11:32 AM

The decisions the UFC makes is puzzling to say the least sometimes. Slalaverry and Lindland gone, no names that no one has heard of in! The UFC is suppose to be for the elite fighters not a guy with a 1-0 MMA record who isn't even a full time fighter! or Marcio Cruz who didn't even have a record!

Paper Dragon · 10-10-2005, 12:36 PM

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as for Gannon. he had no business in the UFC. they cut a fighter like Ivan Salavary but give Gannon a chance because he beat a backyard brawler?

Yup...couldn't agree more. To go one step further, I think it was an embarrassment to the sport to see Gannon be so overmatched by Hinkle. It looked like an execrise in brutality...which is sometimes fun to watch (maybe even moreso because he is or was a cop)...but I think hurts our sport which is trying to go mainstream.

I guess Zuffa thought they could milk his "internet fame" for all it was worth.

Don't know about you guys, but I could care less to see Gannon fight again.

subgenius · 10-10-2005, 01:51 PM

Maybe they were proving a point by allowing a 1-0-0 record backyard fighter step into the octagon and get destroyed. But, it should be remembered that many of the top MMA fighters in the UFC did not have a tremendous amount of experience outside of the octagon. Liddell did not have any MMA record before he started in the UFC. They took a chance on him, and now look where he is... If Gannon defeated Hinkle, then we may be having a very different discussion. Still, I must agree that Hinkle was vastly more experienced and better schooled on MMA than Gannon.

Beast-52 · 10-10-2005, 02:46 PM

Lets just be happy that it was Gannon and not Kimbo, cause Kimbos manager would have been over the fence trying to get in the middle of the fight like in the Gannon/Kimbo fight.

DirtyChuckRulz! · 10-10-2005, 05:26 PM

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Lets just be happy that it was Gannon and not Kimbo, cause Kimbos manager would have been over the fence trying to get in the middle of the fight like in the Gannon/Kimbo fight.

oh man would i love to fight that guy! i hate that guy!

Beast-52 · 10-10-2005, 05:31 PM

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oh man would i love to fight that guy! i hate that guy!

They should let him and Tank go at it.