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01-15-2008, 09:31 PM
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i see gsp's highly improved bjj countering every sub serra throws and him pounding on him on the ground. Stand up GSP wont make the same mistake, he'll start picking him apart. The sweep take down that serra does instead of shooting was a good point but i dont think he'll get GSP with that when it was everything he had to take lytle down with the same move. Jus my opinion and i cant wait.
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01-15-2008, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gilliam
i see gsp's highly improved bjj countering every sub serra throws and him pounding on him on the ground. Stand up GSP wont make the same mistake, he'll start picking him apart. The sweep take down that serra does instead of shooting was a good point but i dont think he'll get GSP with that when it was everything he had to take lytle down with the same move. Jus my opinion and i cant wait.
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I agree 100%, taking down Lytle and GSP are 2 totally different animals.....
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01-15-2008, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gilliam
i see gsp's highly improved bjj countering every sub serra throws and him pounding on him on the ground. Stand up GSP wont make the same mistake, he'll start picking him apart. The sweep take down that serra does instead of shooting was a good point but i dont think he'll get GSP with that when it was everything he had to take lytle down with the same move. Jus my opinion and i cant wait.
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good point, but Lytle isn't easy to take down and is another guy who is next to impossible to finish. Serra is a master on the ground and is capable of sweeping GSP from the bottom or catching him with a sub off his back or if GSP makes a mistake in the midst of a scramble. Serra is very flexible and is can get himself out of trouble better than most, with the exeption of maybe BJ Penn.
To the guy that made the crack about me picking Hughes to beat GSP.....
So what, I went with my heart and my boy lost, Nobody picks every fight right, If that were the case then what would be the point of watching. I don't call myself a genius becasue I picked Serra in thier first fight when evereybody was laughing at me, in the end I got the last laugh. It's easy to take the favorite everytime, but the fact is styles make fights and Serra has the right style to beat GSP, he did it once before and he can do it again.
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01-15-2008, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Starks
good point, but Lytle isn't easy to take down and is another guy who is next to impossible to finish. Serra is a master on the ground and is capable of sweeping GSP from the bottom or catching him with a sub off his back or if GSP makes a mistake in the midst of a scramble. Serra is very flexible and is can get himself out of trouble better than most, with the exeption of maybe BJ Penn.
To the guy that made the crack about me picking Hughes to beat GSP.....
So what, I went with my heart and my boy lost, Nobody picks every fight right, If that were the case then what would be the point of watching. I don't call myself a genius becasue I picked Serra in thier first fight when evereybody was laughing at me, in the end I got the last laugh. It's easy to take the favorite everytime, but the fact is styles make fights and Serra has the right style to beat GSP, he did it once before and he can do it again.
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1. I said I was joking
2. I said i agreed with you
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01-15-2008, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mlabelle
1. I said I was joking
2. I said i agreed with you
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I know, your not the first person to comment on me picking Hughes>GSP. I understand that you were joking and agreeing with me.
*Tony Starks Bows to mlabelle as a sign of respect*
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01-15-2008, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Starks
I know, your not the first person to comment on me picking Hughes>GSP. I understand that you were joking and agreeing with me.
*Tony Starks Bows to mlabelle as a sign of respect*
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*mlabelle Bows back to Tony Starks as a sign of respect* :P
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01-15-2008, 11:52 PM
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As much as I like Serra, there is no way he's winning this fight. He got lucky in the first fight and caught GSP with a few good punches, but that's not going to happen again.
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01-16-2008, 12:11 AM
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I'm the biggest GSP fan and i trust in him but this sport is MMA. To much possibilities to say
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He got lucky in the first fight and caught GSP with a few good punches, but that's not going to happen again.
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Sorry to announce you this but, it might happen again. I'll be pissed if it does but it might happen.
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01-16-2008, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mlabelle
Sorry to announce you this but, it might happen again. I'll be pissed if it does but it might happen.
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Of coarse in a fight anything can happen, but the chances of Serra doing the same thing to GSP that he did in their last fight are very very low - so low that I am confident enough to say that it won't happen.
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01-16-2008, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jenkins83
Of coarse in a fight anything can happen, but the chances of Serra doing the same thing to GSP that he did in their last fight are very very low - so low that I am confident enough to say that it won't happen.
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So will there be Buster Douglas type odds on the champ v. the interim champ?
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01-16-2008, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Starks
good point, but Lytle isn't easy to take down and is another guy who is next to impossible to finish. Serra is a master on the ground and is capable of sweeping GSP from the bottom or catching him with a sub off his back or if GSP makes a mistake in the midst of a scramble. Serra is very flexible and is can get himself out of trouble better than most, with the exeption of maybe BJ Penn.
To the guy that made the crack about me picking Hughes to beat GSP.....
So what, I went with my heart and my boy lost, Nobody picks every fight right, If that were the case then what would be the point of watching. I don't call myself a genius becasue I picked Serra in thier first fight when evereybody was laughing at me, in the end I got the last laugh. It's easy to take the favorite everytime, but the fact is styles make fights and Serra has the right style to beat GSP, he did it once before and he can do it again.
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There is a difference for being constantly picked on for picking one bad fight but when you proclaim yourself King Starks and say anyone who thinks any other way besides yours is an idiot is completely different.
I am excited to see this fight, more so that i have the possibility to see it live. I want GSP to take it but Serra is a tough opponent and i won't write him off like the last time. I will say this though, he better come prepared because when you make cracks about someones background it can cause any number of problems for you and the very least is getting punched in a face a few times.
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01-16-2008, 10:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenkins83
Of coarse in a fight anything can happen, but the chances of Serra doing the same thing to GSP that he did in their last fight are very very low - so low that I am confident enough to say that it won't happen.
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Bet ya said it won't happen the first time too
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01-16-2008, 01:19 PM
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With all due respect to basslogic and his mentor, I'd ask Tony Starks when the last time Matt Serra submitted a top level fighter? You made the claim of how dangerous he is off his back and how he can catch a sub easily. How did that work against Karo Parisyan? Din Thomas? Even his time on TUF 4, he defeated Pete Spratt by strikes and Shonie Carter and Chris Lytle by decision. Matt has just 4 submissions in his career, 3 against fighters in their MMA debuts. The other was against the 4-0 Kelly Dullanty who never fought again. He has not submitted someone in close to 6 years. The facts are that Matt does not look for subs when he is in MMA.
There is no doubt that Serra's BJJ is fantastic as evidenced by his participation in ADCC's and other grappling successes. He's excellent and a fantastic instructor. But the fact remains that when Matt fights MMA, he goes with his striking. Watch his fights against Parisyan, Edwards, Carter, etc. The majority of those fights take place on their feet. He suffers from the same syndrome as Jorge Gurgel, another BJJ black belt. This is not comparing their skills, just saying that when the bell rings, they tend to forget about their BJJ and go with their fists. Its just the way he fights.
Serra will once again have a chance and the odds will no doubt be less than last time GSP and Serra hooked up. But GSP will deservedly be the healthy favorite.
As far as getting called out for picking Hughes. If you picked Hughes and supported him, there's nothing wrong with that. But if you are going to be arrogant and act as a knowitall, which you do, you need to eat some crow when your "locks" don't come to fruition. Don't like it? Too bad, find somewhere else to make your claims.
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01-16-2008, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Gygax
As far as getting called out for picking Hughes. If you picked Hughes and supported him, there's nothing wrong with that. But if you are going to be arrogant and act as a knowitall, which you do, you need to eat some crow when your "locks" don't come to fruition. Don't like it? Too bad, find somewhere else to make your claims.
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I would love to see the post where I said that Hughes was a "lock". I never gauranteed victory, but simply picked Hughes to win. I did say that GSP is a great fighter and would not surprise me if he won. Just like I am picking Serra to win, I am not garaunteeing a Serra victory, GSP is the favorite for obvious reasons, but I think Serra has his number and I will once agin go with Serra in the rematch.
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01-16-2008, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Starks
I would love to see the post where I said that Hughes was a "lock". I never gauranteed victory, but simply picked Hughes to win. I did say that GSP is a great fighter and would not surprise me if he won. Just like I am picking Serra to win, I am not garaunteeing a Serra victory, GSP is the favorite for obvious reasons, but I think Serra has his number and I will once agin go with Serra in the rematch.
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You seemed certain that Hughes would win for a second fight. I would say you pretty much "guaranteed" a victory, without actually using that word.
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All I can say is, Yes!!!!!!!!
Revenge is going to be so sweet, Hughes is healthy this time around, he's focused, he's rested and he's got payback on his mind.
Hughes wins by GnP in the 2nd or 3rd round
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By the way, what a novel idea...
Pick the underdog to win, and if he wins I get to say I told you so to everyone on the forum!
If he loses, it's not like no one else has failed at predicting a fight.
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01-16-2008, 02:03 PM
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Pwnt?^^
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01-16-2008, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Starks
I would love to see the post where I said that Hughes was a "lock". I never gauranteed victory, but simply picked Hughes to win. I did say that GSP is a great fighter and would not surprise me if he won. Just like I am picking Serra to win, I am not garaunteeing a Serra victory, GSP is the favorite for obvious reasons, but I think Serra has his number and I will once agin go with Serra in the rematch.
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If you don't see your arrogance, I don't know what to tell you.
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...I might be fairly new around around here, but I garauntee that I know tons more than 99% of these supposed "repected,long time" members.
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This place is the minor leagues, i will own this Klown in a debate.
he knows as much about MMA as a 12 year old girl, with parental locks on all the good channells.
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Back on topic. When was the last time Serra caught someone in a sub as you mention? You have said he works well off his back and looks for subs. If he is so good at it as you point out, it should happen pretty often, correct?
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01-16-2008, 05:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitbull
You seemed certain that Hughes would win for a second fight. I would say you pretty much "guaranteed" a victory, without actually using that word.
By the way, what a novel idea...
Pick the underdog to win, and if he wins I get to say I told you so to everyone on the forum!
If he loses, it's not like no one else has failed at predicting a fight.
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Um.. No, Sorry Pitbull, Nice Try though, I give you an A for effort
Nowhere do I gaurantee victory for Hughes, just making a prediction, and it was wrong. GSP is a helluva fighter, My hat goes off to him, he beat the best and he earned my respect by doing it.
It's not that I think GSP is a bad fighter, he is obviously a top-tier guy, I just don't like him so I always root against him and will never pick him to win, even if he is facing off against Andy Wang.
Tony Starks is all heart Baby!!
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01-17-2008, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Starks
Um.. No, Sorry Pitbull, Nice Try though, I give you an A for effort
Nowhere do I gaurantee victory for Hughes, just making a prediction, and it was wrong. GSP is a helluva fighter, My hat goes off to him, he beat the best and he earned my respect by doing it.
It's not that I think GSP is a bad fighter, he is obviously a top-tier guy, I just don't like him so I always root against him and will never pick him to win, even if he is facing off against Andy Wang.
Tony Starks is all heart Baby!!
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Great, thanks for admitting that you're incredibly biased, and that your posts are a complete waste of space and bandwidth.
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01-17-2008, 03:13 AM
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id be offering odds of about 20-1 on serra
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